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Originally posted by: apoppin
don't blame "christians" on Jesus Christ
-at the least it is a cult of "judaism"

Yet Jesus was smart enough to know that his followers would turn into brain-dead, politically self-interested hypocrites who have no CLUE what he said - they insist they are "forgiven" and can screw anyone and still go to heaven .. he said so many times that his FAKE followers would die when he returned to clean it up.
- early followers called it "prophecy" .. i call it *obvious*
-what religion has NOT turned to sh!t after its founder dies?

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And this has what to do with what I posted? :roll:

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Internal documents (leaked) from various ID/Creationist groups have basically said that ID/Creationism is just a way of bringing conservative Christianity into the lives of youth. A rather manipulative and immoral way of promoting spirituality if you ask me...

You make it sound like state secrets got stolen. Ask any Born Again Christian why they would want creationism taught and i'm sure they'd say so the kids know the truth.

If you believed your children were in danger of going to Hell because of what they were being taught, what would you do if you weren't cruel?[/quote]

I believe these creationist groups have threaten to sue certain websites for hosting their own internal documents. Kind of like how Scientology got all pissy when their stuff ended up on youtube.

The fact is Creationism/ID is NOT science and has absolutely no place in the classroom or a public school.
 

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: apoppin
don't blame "christians" on Jesus Christ
-at the least it is a cult of "judaism"

Yet Jesus was smart enough to know that his followers would turn into brain-dead, politically self-interested hypocrites who have no CLUE what he said - they insist they are "forgiven" and can screw anyone and still go to heaven .. he said so many times that his FAKE followers would die when he returned to clean it up.
- early followers called it "prophecy" .. i call it *obvious*
-what religion has NOT turned to sh!t after its founder dies?

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And this has what to do with what I posted? :roll:

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Internal documents (leaked) from various ID/Creationist groups have basically said that ID/Creationism is just a way of bringing conservative Christianity into the lives of youth. A rather manipulative and immoral way of promoting spirituality if you ask me...

You make it sound like state secrets got stolen. Ask any Born Again Christian why they would want creationism taught and i'm sure they'd say so the kids know the truth.

If you believed your children were in danger of going to Hell because of what they were being taught, what would you do if you weren't cruel?

I believe these creationist groups have threaten to sue certain websites for hosting their own internal documents. Kind of like how Scientology got all pissy when their stuff ended up on youtube.
The fact is Creationism/ID is NOT science and has absolutely no place in the classroom or a public school.
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Am i supposed to *care* what you posted?
:roll:

i give my opinion .. *i think* it is related - and evidently you must also think it is noteworthy since you called me out by name :p

The fact is Evolution+Spontaneous Generation of Life is NOT science and has absolutely no place in the classroom or a public school; it should ALSO be taught as "theory" as no one on this planet can demonstrate Spontaneous Generation of Life as actually ever happening - even under the most "ideal" and controlled conditions.

YOUR warring groups are both insane - Creationism Vs. Evolution is full of morons on both sides .. and it is far worse when "science" is denigrated to support either stupid view

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: apoppin
don't blame "christians" on Jesus Christ
-at the least it is a cult of "judaism"

Yet Jesus was smart enough to know that his followers would turn into brain-dead, politically self-interested hypocrites who have no CLUE what he said - they insist they are "forgiven" and can screw anyone and still go to heaven .. he said so many times that his FAKE followers would die when he returned to clean it up.
- early followers called it "prophecy" .. i call it *obvious*
-what religion has NOT turned to sh!t after its founder dies?

rose.gif

And this has what to do with what I posted? :roll:

Originally posted by: Duwelon
Internal documents (leaked) from various ID/Creationist groups have basically said that ID/Creationism is just a way of bringing conservative Christianity into the lives of youth. A rather manipulative and immoral way of promoting spirituality if you ask me...

You make it sound like state secrets got stolen. Ask any Born Again Christian why they would want creationism taught and i'm sure they'd say so the kids know the truth.

If you believed your children were in danger of going to Hell because of what they were being taught, what would you do if you weren't cruel?

I believe these creationist groups have threaten to sue certain websites for hosting their own internal documents. Kind of like how Scientology got all pissy when their stuff ended up on youtube.
The fact is Creationism/ID is NOT science and has absolutely no place in the classroom or a public school.

Am i supposed to *care* what you posted?
:roll:

i give my opinion .. *i think* it is related - and evidently you must also think it is noteworthy since you called me out by name :p

The fact is Evolution+Spontaneous Generation of Life is NOT science and has absolutely no place in the classroom or a public school; it should ALSO be taught as "theory" as no one on this planet can demonstrate Spontaneous Generation of Life as actually ever happening - even under the most "ideal" and controlled conditions.

YOUR warring groups are both insane - Creationism Vs. Evolution is full of morons on both sides .. and it is far worse when "science" is denigrated to support either stupid view

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You sure as hell seem too!
 

apoppin

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You sure as hell seem too!

clearly :p

there is sometimes an indistinguishable line between madness and genius .. at least to an untrained observer

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the "key" to a discussion is to discuss the message and ignore the messenger's peculiarities .. sometimes culture or race makes it hard to comprehend what the other is saying .. ask if you are unsure

 

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apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?
 

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?

well, if we teach it as though we fully understand it .. that would be wrong, wouldn't you say?

.. but to answer your question about teaching that "Gravity is a Theory" - No!, actually a much expanded view of this phenomenon will also allow us to propel matter and also eventually allow us to travel faster than light
.. too bad Einstein died without explaining it properly - or entirely

What do you think, by next century? Warp 1?
Humans could do it right now if we stopped warring amongst ourselves and focused on what is important - survival and care for our BioSphere
- when and IF we do, we can go and check it all out for ourselves

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apoppin

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Here something i remembered for you warring factions .. that fine line >
fix it or lose it, imo .. the needs of the many ... outweighed ..
i figure moonbeam does it .. so will his evil twin from now on; fair is fair
:evil:

Hey Brother Christian with your high and might errand
Your actions speak so loud I can't hear a word you're saying
Hey Sister Bleeding Heart with all of your compassion
Your labours soothe the hurt but can't assuage temptation

Hey man of science with your perfect rules of measure
Can you improve this place with the data that you gather?
Hey Mother Mercy can your loins bear fruit forever?
Is your fecundity a trammel or a treasure?

And I wanna conquer the world
Give all the idiots a brand new religion
Put an end to poverty, uncleanliness, and toil
Promote equality in all of my decisions
With a quick wink of the eye, and a
"God you must be joking!"

Hey mister Diplomat with your worldly aspirations
Did you see your children cry when you left them at the station?
Hey Moral Soldier, you've got righteous proclamations
And precious tomes to fuel your pulpy conflagrations

And I wanna conquer the world
Give all the idiots a brand new religion
Put an end to poverty, uncleanliness, and toil
Promote equality in all of my decisions

I want to conquer the world
Expose the culprits and feed them to the children
Do away with air pollution and then I'll save the whales
We'll have peace on earth and global communion!

I wanna conquer the world ... !
etc.

. . . of course it still will appear to be gibberish
. . . and .. Bad Religion gave a fine concert back in the day

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?

well, if we teach it as though we fully understand it .. that would be wrong, wouldn't you say?

.. but to answer your question about teaching that "Gravity is a Theory" - No!, actually a much expanded view of this phenomenon will also allow us to propel matter and also eventually allow us to travel faster than light
.. too bad Einstein died without explaining it properly - or entirely

What do you think, by next century? Warp 1?
Humans could do it right now if we stopped warring amongst ourselves and focused on what is important - survival and care for our BioSphere
- when and IF we do, we can go and check it all out for ourselves

rose.gif

When do we ever teach Gravity like we know it? We teach cold hard facts about it to the extent that we know. We know that stuff falls at 9.8 m/s on earth and Mass affects the amount of gravity. Go to any physics teacher, and if you ask them why gravity exists, they'll tell you that they don't know yet.

And its impossible for mass to exceed the speed of light. Einstein explained it quite clearly to the extent that he knew it. He spent his last years looking for the Theory of Everything, which will hopefully answer all the questions we have of the universe.

The fact is Evolution+Spontaneous Generation of Life is NOT science and has absolutely no place in the classroom or a public school; it should ALSO be taught as "theory" as no one on this planet can demonstrate Spontaneous Generation of Life as actually ever happening - even under the most "ideal" and controlled conditions.

Something is a science if you can have a hypothesis and you are able to create a repeatable experiment to demonstrate it. We have already created organic molecules from the primordial soup that existed billions of years ago. That is a supporting piece of evidence, and so, the spontaneous existence of life can be considered a science.

Also, it IS taught as a theory.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?

well, if we teach it as though we fully understand it .. that would be wrong, wouldn't you say?

.. but to answer your question about teaching that "Gravity is a Theory" - No!, actually a much expanded view of this phenomenon will also allow us to propel matter and also eventually allow us to travel faster than light
.. too bad Einstein died without explaining it properly - or entirely

What do you think, by next century? Warp 1?
Humans could do it right now if we stopped warring amongst ourselves and focused on what is important - survival and care for our BioSphere
- when and IF we do, we can go and check it all out for ourselves

rose.gif

When do we ever teach Gravity like we know it? We teach cold hard facts about it to the extent that we know. We know that stuff falls at 9.8 m/s on earth and Mass affects the amount of gravity. Go to any physics teacher, and if you ask them why gravity exists, they'll tell you that they don't know yet.

And its impossible for mass to exceed the speed of light. Einstein explained it quite clearly to the extent that he knew it. He spent his last years looking for the Theory of Everything, which will hopefully answer all the questions we have of the universe.

The fact is Evolution+Spontaneous Generation of Life is NOT science and has absolutely no place in the classroom or a public school; it should ALSO be taught as "theory" as no one on this planet can demonstrate Spontaneous Generation of Life as actually ever happening - even under the most "ideal" and controlled conditions.

Something is a science if you can have a hypothesis and you are able to create a repeatable experiment to demonstrate it. We have already created organic molecules from the primordial soup that existed billions of years ago. That is a supporting piece of evidence, and so, the spontaneous existence of life can be considered a science.

Also, it IS taught as a theory.

i love the word *impossible*

according to the way you think - it is IMPOSSIBLE for there to be a god

right on

i get it

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and actually it would be a *Unified* Theory of Everything that will explain how to use gravity to accelerate mass [which changes] beyond the speed of light

impossible? .. science, so far is ridiculous and barely a step above witchcraft and astrology although we have the tools of creation in front of us [or behind or within if you believe mb] .. open you eyes .. is everyone that blind to the potential of the human race?
Traditional Science says it is "impossible" and religion says "god will take care of it"
wtf?

"organic molecules" ...

RotFL .. that is "life"? in a lab under precisely conmtrolled contitions and we have "molecules" .. science sucks huh? Can't figure how? Yet you make expanded and retarded claims based .. on nothing real .. hypothesis by a fellow primate who went to a "school"
.. Your "organic molecules" are like "c" and maybe "t" in a 'Chinese' alphabet with of trillions of variations that must be precisely aligned and vary, grow and adapt according to an established genetic "code" ..
--that just "happened"?

oooh .. that is almost "religious" belief .. actually it more ignorant because it claims "science" as a basis and also is completely intolerant of anyone who Dares Criticize their Prophet Darwin. Darwin was a monkey too. :p
 
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?

well, if we teach it as though we fully understand it .. that would be wrong, wouldn't you say?

.. but to answer your question about teaching that "Gravity is a Theory" - No!, actually a much expanded view of this phenomenon will also allow us to propel matter and also eventually allow us to travel faster than light
.. too bad Einstein died without explaining it properly - or entirely

What do you think, by next century? Warp 1?
Humans could do it right now if we stopped warring amongst ourselves and focused on what is important - survival and care for our BioSphere
- when and IF we do, we can go and check it all out for ourselves

rose.gif

When do we ever teach Gravity like we know it? We teach cold hard facts about it to the extent that we know. We know that stuff falls at 9.8 m/s on earth and Mass affects the amount of gravity. Go to any physics teacher, and if you ask them why gravity exists, they'll tell you that they don't know yet.

And its impossible for mass to exceed the speed of light. Einstein explained it quite clearly to the extent that he knew it. He spent his last years looking for the Theory of Everything, which will hopefully answer all the questions we have of the universe.

The fact is Evolution+Spontaneous Generation of Life is NOT science and has absolutely no place in the classroom or a public school; it should ALSO be taught as "theory" as no one on this planet can demonstrate Spontaneous Generation of Life as actually ever happening - even under the most "ideal" and controlled conditions.

Something is a science if you can have a hypothesis and you are able to create a repeatable experiment to demonstrate it. We have already created organic molecules from the primordial soup that existed billions of years ago. That is a supporting piece of evidence, and so, the spontaneous existence of life can be considered a science.

Also, it IS taught as a theory.

i love the word *impossible*

according to the way you think - it is IMPOSSIBLE for there to be a god

right on

i get it

rose.gif


and actually it would be a *Unified* Theory of Everything that will explain how to use gravity to accelerate mass [which changes] beyond the speed of light

impossible? .. science, so far is ridiculous and barely a step above witchcraft and astrology although we have the tools of creation in front of us [or behind or within if you believe mb] .. open you eyes .. is everyone that blind to the potential of the human race?
Traditional Science says it is "impossible" and religion says "god will take care of it"
wtf?

"organic molecules" ...

RotFL .. that is "life"
.. like "a" and maybe "m" in a 'Chinese' alphabet with of trillions of variations that must be precisely aligned and vary, grow and adapt according to an established genetic "code" ..
that just "happened"?

oooh .. that is almost "religious" belief .. actually it more ignorant because it claims "science"
First of all, capitals are your friend

How could gravity accelerate something to the speed of light when itself only influences objects at the speed of light.

According to the way I think, its impossible for there to be a God because God would be the Ultimate Boeing 747(Credit to Richard Dawkins) A "God" that can somehow completely ignore physical laws, create intelligent life, get energy from nothing, and not need to explain its own existence is supposed to be a simple belief? I say its impossible because according to physical laws its impossible, and I prefer to follow observation, not blind faith

Unified Field theory would use a combination of Relativity and Quantum mechanics. Relativity states that its IMPOSSIBLE for a object with mass to go faster than the speed of light because you would require an infinite amount of energy to get an infinite amount of mass over the barrier. The Universe is Finite, so its impossible to get the energy to do this.
What we really need the TOE for is to explain the existence of singularities, because in singularities, Quantum Mechanics and Relativity break down. A TOE would merge these two, and let us explain Black Holes, and mabye even the Big Bang

Science was created to be able to actually explain things instead of relying on a random toss of bones, or looking at the stars. The human race is incredibly limited to what we can do. However, we make do what we can. There are impossibilities. Like being able to create a Dyson Sphere, or create in real life, a Mobius strip, but we are able to THINK and OBSERVE. That is what puts science above religous mish mash.

The belief that God can take care of it is complete nonsense. What intellectual input can we garner from that? I swear, Religion is bringing America down. Instead of actual progress, we just say, God will take care of it, much like how they said that we would take care of Radioactive Waste in the 80's. It hasn't happened, and we would be fools to just wait for free hand outs.

Organic Molecules are a essential component to life. Amino Acids and Proteins are all building blocks that led to the first RNA.

There are only 4 Bases in DNA anyway, any combination of these could have lots of results.
All it needs is one membrane that came togther from Proteans that binded together in a Primoridal Soup. That membrane, if able to regulate its internal enviroment, would be the first step to life. Now if a chain of Amino Acids got into that Membrane, you could have a "cell". These instances are not far fetched, and all grouped together over billions of years, would have the result we see today.

Its like the monkey with the typewriter analogy. Given the time, the Monkey will eventually write out the complete works of Shakespeare. I would say this is THE Shakespeare of our universe.

Its inherently non religious when repeatable experiments get mixed in the foray. You are inherently being amazingly ignorant because you claim that "God will do it" instead of, I believe in this because there are repeadtable observable experiments that show what I believe.

 

apoppin

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let me get to the crux of the matter .. without wasting another instant "debating" philosophy and pseudo-sciences

here is the Key .. you said:
According to the way I think ..

there you have it .. it is not the way i think
- and there is no value in a debate .. i found that no one ever changes their mind

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and you are the *strawman master* i bow to your amazingly ignorant "ability" to also see as the christians, what is not there

You are inherently being amazingly ignorant because you claim that "God will do it"

find it .. where the hell did i give any impression that i believed in "god" ? :|
--i do not .. not the christian concept of god at all :p

It's the only thing that is possibly more ignorant than Spontaneous Generation of Life

.. and you want to pick on my CAPS .. your science IS "mish mash" .. not true science or you could figure out how to create "life"

ignorant savages playing with test tubes
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?

I have no wish to fall for the false logic trap in this post, but, uh... gravity IS "only" a theory.

That is, unless you'd like to tell us exactly how it works.
 

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?

I have no wish to fall for the false logic trap in this post, but, uh... gravity IS "only" a theory.

That is, unless you'd like to tell us exactly how it works.
The point is, it does work. And so does evolution.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Enig101
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?

I have no wish to fall for the false logic trap in this post, but, uh... gravity IS "only" a theory.

That is, unless you'd like to tell us exactly how it works.
The point is, it does work. And so does evolution.

Clearly .. and both are still unexplained "theories" :p

Spontaneous Generation of Life is just as stupid - and equally unsupported by "science" - as the Christian 'God' Concept
- to an observer

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you both have major blind spots ... no wonder you go round-and-round
.. figure it out .. *prove* if 'god' exists - or not



 

BucsMAN3K

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When will people learn you can't argue philosophy with science, and you can't argue science with philosophy.
 

StageLeft

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One of core logical flaws with intelligent design theory is that while it implicitly claims that complex organic systems cannot arise from natural causality and that therefore an "intelligence" directed evolution, it completely fails to explain how the alleged intelligence came into being or where it came from; it just passes the buck. (It's a rehash of the logical fallacy of the First Cause argument, dressed up as being a self-proclaimed "intelligent" theory.)
Pure irony. You're trying to use causation and reason/science to explain something that by definition does not hold itself to causation and reason/science. A better way to look at this is that the core logical flaw in no intelligent design/deity is that the science-rules-all approach completely fails to state how the universe--something--originated from nothing. You can trace it to the big bang, but you cannot say how it originated. Our entire universe is something and science is literally incapable of saying how it started because science does not allow something to exist without something coming before it and causing it. So either spontaneously this all began, which science cannot stomach, or it's always been that there was something, which again it cannot stomach.
 

jackschmittusa

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Vic

I have no wish to fall for the false logic trap in this post, but, uh... gravity IS "only" a theory.

The only trap is in the semantics.

Ultimately, all understanding of science is theory. Some posters use the word to mean something akin to a guess, and this is what I was referring to.

What we teach about gravity is observable, testable, repeatable, and predictable. While nobody could claim to know everything about it, only a fool would deny it exists given the preponderance of evidence.

Evolution meets the same requirements.

This is what we consider science. Reject one field of study that that meets the requirements, and whatever logic you used would suggest that you need to reject all of them. The only other alternative is to claim all of the evidence in one field is false or grossly mis-interpreted. Without offering proof of such a claim, you are right back to being able to reject all science at a whim.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: BucsMAN3K
When will people learn you can't argue philosophy with science, and you can't argue science with philosophy.

Never, it appears .. unless we *prove* "his" existence - or not
- it appears to be a simple - if possibly painful - experiment to find out for sure

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Pure irony. You're trying to use causation and reason/science to explain something that by definition does not hold itself to causation and reason/science. A better way to look at this is that the core logical flaw in no intelligent design/deity is that the science-rules-all approach completely fails to state how the universe--something--originated from nothing. You can trace it to the big bang, but you cannot say how it originated. Our entire universe is something and science is literally incapable of saying how it started because science does not allow something to exist without something coming before it and causing it. So either spontaneously this all began, which science cannot stomach, or it's always been that there was something, which again it cannot stomach.

irony is correct .. your "science" as evidenced by that "mess" of an explanation -- shows evolutionists have as much clue as to the beginning of Life as the religious nuts do - ZERO
i love the nonsense statement that makes as much sense as "God created"

science does not allow something to exist
Science "allows" .. our puny minds do not

This is what we consider science.

Who the hell are "we" that we are suddenly authorities on the Origin of Life in the Universe?; Just a moment ago we were hairless naked apes dancing in the jungle without much self-awareness
:roll:
. . . we are still 'monkeys' with test tubes and telescopes just beginning to awaken


--angry ones each with tiny minds that cannot even "agree" with each other on anything; and these tiny little egos get in the way of real "science" and these have done so for thousands of years. We HAD science before; it did not arise in the middle ages. That was a 2nd or 3rd rebirth of human awareness in our recent history.:p
 

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
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Its like the monkey with the typewriter analogy. Given the time, the Monkey will eventually write out the complete works of Shakespeare. I would say this is THE Shakespeare of our universe.

The problem with your analogy is this: Where did the monkeys come from? Where did the typwriters come from?

There is nothing that I've ever seen that can point to a single begninning of the universe. People like to point to the "big bang", but there had to be something before that, right? Or did the universe spontaneously create itself? Kind of violates the First Law of Thermodynamics, doesn't it?
 

bamacre

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I'm actually kind of interested in watching this. You can't teach a version of Creationism in a science class. But you shouldn't lay off professors who want to spark debate by looking for holes in Darwin.
 

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Enig101
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?

I have no wish to fall for the false logic trap in this post, but, uh... gravity IS "only" a theory.

That is, unless you'd like to tell us exactly how it works.
The point is, it does work. And so does evolution.

Clearly .. and both are still unexplained "theories" :p

Spontaneous Generation of Life is just as stupid - and equally unsupported by "science" - as the Christian 'God' Concept
- to an observer

Evolutionary theory does not deal with the origin of life so I don't know why you keep talking about "Spontaneous Generation of Life" in relation to jack's claim that evolution works.

The common theories about how life arose on earth are not scientific fact but that does not automatically reduce them to the level of creationism.
 

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Except that the movie is built on lies, distortion and a false persecution complex:

Scientific American

Point four, on the second page of that article is the most telling. The title premise of the movie is a fabrication to incite a persecution complex in the faithful. The supposedly dismissed researcher was scheduled to move to another position before he bypassed peer review to publich his paper.

Facts that conveniently are glossed over in the movie. This garbage is no more valid a documentary that the crap that spews out of Moore.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Enig101
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
apoppin

Evolution is as well supported as our understanding of gravity. Would you propose teaching that gravity is only a theory also?

I have no wish to fall for the false logic trap in this post, but, uh... gravity IS "only" a theory.

That is, unless you'd like to tell us exactly how it works.
The point is, it does work. And so does evolution.

Clearly .. and both are still unexplained "theories" :p

Spontaneous Generation of Life is just as stupid - and equally unsupported by "science" - as the Christian 'God' Concept
- to an observer

Evolutionary theory does not deal with the origin of life so I don't know why you keep talking about "Spontaneous Generation of Life" in relation to jack's claim that evolution works.

The common theories about how life arose on earth are not scientific fact but that does not automatically reduce them to the level of creationism.

Of course you are totally right and i am agreed .. about "fact"
- and Not *all* evolutionists believe in that Bullsh!t theory that Life Arose by "Chance" .. imo, it takes far more "faith" to believe that unscientific and unprovable nonsense

However, *most evolutionists DO* believe it :p

. . . aside from a very few evolutionists - like me - they would much rather BELIEVE in that nonsense RATHER than the OTHER nonsense about a christian god
-all i have done is aimed one barb into the heart of the matter .. the BASIS for most evolutionist's "faith" is his desire to NOT accept god

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that is powerful motivation for egotists who like to feel smug about their "science"

. . . barely up from its roots in witchcraft and astrology

 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Duewlon, could you please prove that the deity exists and explain where it came from for me? I'm having a hard time with it. It's not hard to believe that existence exists and that the Earth exists, but I have a hard time believing that this magical omnipotent transcendental being exists. I can point to rocks and to the Earth and say, "it exists" but I don't see this deity anywhere.

There is strong evidence that god exists based on the fact that the existence of matter & energy, or the universe itself is a paradox.

BTW, I am a deist and I do not subscribe to any silly religions.
 

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Vic

I have no wish to fall for the false logic trap in this post, but, uh... gravity IS "only" a theory.

The only trap is in the semantics.

Ultimately, all understanding of science is theory. Some posters use the word to mean something akin to a guess, and this is what I was referring to.

What we teach about gravity is observable, testable, repeatable, and predictable. While nobody could claim to know everything about it, only a fool would deny it exists given the preponderance of evidence.

Evolution meets the same requirements.

This is what we consider science. Reject one field of study that that meets the requirements, and whatever logic you used would suggest that you need to reject all of them. The only other alternative is to claim all of the evidence in one field is false or grossly mis-interpreted. Without offering proof of such a claim, you are right back to being able to reject all science at a whim.

Ah... I agree.

I think the problem here with the ID crowd is that they keep fighting against evolution on an issue that evolution does not cover. Namely, the "genesis" of life itself. Maybe there was a god, maybe there wasn't. To evolutionary theory, that's just not relevant. The same scientific reasoning applies to the big bang itself.
Ironically, I see this same problem with the strong atheist crowd, but from the opposite perspective.
 
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