Exiled Shiite Chief: Iraqis Should Rebel

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Exiled Shiite Chief: Iraqis Should Rebel

TEHRAN, Iran - The exiled leader of the biggest Iraqi opposition group called Thursday on Iraqis to converge in the Shiite holy city of Karbala to oppose a U.S.-led interim administration and defend Iraq's independence.


Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution of Iraq, chose the southern Iraqi city and the date ? next Tuesday ? because of their connections to Hussein, the grandson of Islam's Prophet Muhammad and one of Shiite Islam's most revered heroes.


"I call on Iraqis to converge in Karbala to oppose any sort of foreign domination and support establishment of an Iraqi government that protects freedom, independence and justice for all Iraqis," al-Hakim was quoted by state-run Tehran television as saying.


Council spokesman Abu Eslam al-Saqir confirmed the call had been issued.


"To the Iraqi people, U.S. domination is no better than the dictatorship of the ousted brutal regime of Saddam Hussein," al-Saqir told The Associated Press.


Al-Hakim will return to Iraq soon, his younger brother told The Associated Press, a move that could galvanize his followers. U.S. officials have expressed strong concerns about Al-Hakim's Supreme Council, claiming it is supported by the Iranian government and fearing it wants to create an Iranian-style Islamic government in Iraq.


The Supreme Council ? which claims thousands of its fighters are ready to take up arms ? boycotted this week's meeting of Iraqi opposition groups to begin planning for Iraq's future government, charging the U.S. role as organizer "harms Iraq's independence."


The meeting called in Karbala would mark the 40th day after the anniversary of the death of Hussein, who is seen by Shiites as a symbol of freedom who sacrificed himself to resist corruption and tyranny. He was killed in a battle on the plains of Karbala in A.D. 680, and his tomb is in the city.


Shiite Muslims traditionally gather to mark the 40th day after a death.


Also Thursday, al-Hakim's younger brother said the ayatollah will soon return to Iraq.


"He will be in Iraq when the time is suitable and we are waiting for that," Abdul Aziz al-Hakim told the AP in Kut, Iraq, where the council has set up offices, some 40 miles from the Iranian border.


Al-Hakim's return would be a critical moment in attempts to form a post-Saddam Hussein government. It would command the attention of the majority Shiite population, oppressed for years by minority Sunni Muslims from Saddam's Baath party.


The younger Hakim was greeted by thousands of people in Kut, where he said he was visiting to prepare for his brother's return after 23 years in exile.


Analysts say al-Hakim's appeal to religious feeling and imagery is reminiscent of the tactics used by the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini ahead of the 1979 Iranian Revolution.


"Al-Hakim is resorting to tactics used by Iran's religious leaders in the '70s to topple the pro-U.S. shah: provoking people's religious sentiments and winning their hearts," said leading Iranian political commentator Davoud Hermidas Bavand.


Al-Hakim's brother said his group would work with other opposition parties in the new Iraq.


"I don't know why America is scared of us, we don't want to make a revolution, but we want to create safety and stability in Iraq," he said at council headquarters in Kut. "We are looking forward to establishing a democratic Iraqi government chosen by the people themselves."


The Supreme Council's military wing, the Badr Corps, has thousands of fighters already in Iraq able to go to battle at the call of religious leaders, said Hakim, who is the corps' leader.

He said the forces ? who are lightly armed, but may have acquired heavier weaponry since the war ? have been ordered not to fight U.S. forces.

The fighters will go into action "when the people are in real danger," Hakim said, and will "stand side-by-side with the people and help them stabilize the country."
 

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I'm all for Iraqi independence sooner than later. Unfortunately, it looks like the US will be there for a while. At least until the US oil companies finish building new pipelines.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: bolinger
I'm all for Iraqi independence sooner than later. Unfortunately, it looks like the US will be there for a while. At least until the US oil companies finish building new pipelines.

I guess you would be happier if we razed all the oil infrastructure and left the country?
 

etech

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Originally posted by: bolinger
I'm all for Iraqi independence sooner than later. Unfortunately, it looks like the US will be there for a while. At least until the US oil companies finish building new pipelines.

What pipeline project are you referring to? Please be specific as to details.


That's my way of saying that I think you are lying and want you to prove that you aren't just spouting more anti-American propaganda.
 

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What pipeline project are you referring to?
The one starting as soon as our puppet govt. is placed in Iraq. What, do you really think the oil companies will start building amidst the crossfire and chaos there right now?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: bolinger
What pipeline project are you referring to?
The one starting as soon as our puppet govt. is placed in Iraq. What, do you really think the oil companies will start building amidst the crossfire and chaos there right now?

So what should be done with their infrastructure? I geuss you dont want them to profit so their infrastrucutre can be rebuilt much faster.
 

etech

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Originally posted by: bolinger
What pipeline project are you referring to?
The one starting as soon as our puppet govt. is placed in Iraq. What, do you really think the oil companies will start building amidst the crossfire and chaos there right now?

I said details troll. Where is it going to run from and where will it run to? What is the route?

 

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While this is some cause for concern given the religious tenor to it, I also think it is healthy that the Iraqis take a strong interest in self-determination.
Al-Hakim's brother said his group would work with other opposition parties in the new Iraq.

"I don't know why America is scared of us, we don't want to make a revolution, but we want to create safety and stability in Iraq," he said at council headquarters in Kut. "We are looking forward to establishing a democratic Iraqi government chosen by the people themselves."
I hope that this is the sentiment that is able to be maintained.
 

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: bolinger
What pipeline project are you referring to?
The one starting as soon as our puppet govt. is placed in Iraq. What, do you really think the oil companies will start building amidst the crossfire and chaos there right now?

I said details troll. Where is it going to run from and where will it run to? What is the route?

Well its not going to Syria.

My guess is that the pipeline will go from the wells to the ships to America.
 

TheNinja

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Originally posted by: bolinger
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: bolinger
What pipeline project are you referring to?
The one starting as soon as our puppet govt. is placed in Iraq. What, do you really think the oil companies will start building amidst the crossfire and chaos there right now?

I said details troll. Where is it going to run from and where will it run to? What is the route?

Well its not going to Syria.

My guess is that the pipeline will go from the wells to the ships to America.

bolinger = Morph??? what someone had to say it
 

etech

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Originally posted by: bolinger
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: bolinger
What pipeline project are you referring to?
The one starting as soon as our puppet govt. is placed in Iraq. What, do you really think the oil companies will start building amidst the crossfire and chaos there right now?

I said details troll. Where is it going to run from and where will it run to? What is the route?

Well its not going to Syria.

My guess is that the pipeline will go from the wells to the ships to America.


Be gone with you worthless troll. You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Just leave now.`ah heck off dude.
 

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Well its not going to Syria.

My guess is that the pipeline will go from the wells to the ships to America.

The nature of your posts, and your sig are remarkably similar of the another AT member that was banned earlier.

Leon
 

bolinger

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The nature of your posts, and your sig are remarkably similar of the another AT member that was banned earlier.
Thanks for your contribution.

As for the trolling comments, does anyone who has a dissenting view of the US get labelled this?
 

etech

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Originally posted by: bolinger
The nature of your posts, and your sig are remarkably similar of the another AT member that was banned earlier.
Thanks for your contribution.

As for the trolling comments, does anyone who has a dissenting view of the US get labelled this?

No, someone with a well thought out argument and not some stupid asinine idiotic statement such as the US liberated Iraq to build an oil pipeline will be treated with respect.

You on the other hand are a troll, ah heck off.


 

bolinger

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You on the other hand are a troll, ah heck off.
You'd be better off spending your energy elsewhere, because I don't think "ah heck off" is in my dictionary.

If you think that US companies will not benefit during the reconstruction of Iraqi infrastructure (which includes their oil industry), then you are asinine. Do you think the administration is pumping in 100 billion dollars into this war to give the contracts away to European or Middle Eastern countries? Who will foot the bill...the Iraqi people, with their oil.
 

etech

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bolinger

When you can give me the details of the "Iraq pipeline" that you said the US is building than come back and we'll have a discussion.

Until then, adios troll.
 

TheNinja

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Originally posted by: bolinger
You on the other hand are a troll, ah heck off.
You'd be better off spending your energy elsewhere, because I don't think "ah heck off" is in my dictionary.

If you think that US companies will not benefit during the reconstruction of Iraqi infrastructure (which includes their oil industry), then you are asinine. Do you think the administration is pumping in 100 billion dollars into this war to give the contracts away to European or Middle Eastern countries? Who will foot the bill...the Iraqi people, with their oil.

See now that's a complete thought and that is fine if it is your opinion. US companies benefiting from the rebuilding is much different than saying "Unfortunately, it looks like the US will be there for a while. At least until the US oil companies finish building new pipelines.". And who do you think should foot the bill? I see no reason why the Iraqis shouldn't pay from their own pockets for their indepence and liberation. If you know of a magical cash deposit somewhere please fill us in. But all we ask is that you explain your comments and don't make stupid one liners that are obviously designed to start a flame war.
 

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Originally posted by: etech
bolinger

When you can give me the details of the "Iraq pipeline" that you said the US is building than can back and we'll have a discussion.

Until then, adios troll.

How can I give you details if they haven't started building it yet? Why don't you wait until they start building, because it WILL happen.

Just like you can go on and on saying there are WMD in Iraq, even though none have been found yet. But they WILL be found, right?
 

etech

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Originally posted by: bolinger
Originally posted by: etech
bolinger

When you can give me the details of the "Iraq pipeline" that you said the US is building than can back and we'll have a discussion.

Until then, adios troll.

How can I give you details if they haven't started building it yet? Why don't you wait until they start building, because it WILL happen.

Just like you can go on and on saying there are WMD in Iraq, even though none have been found yet. But they WILL be found, right?

How do you know about it then?

right, you don't. troll elsewhere please.

 

bolinger

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: bolinger
Originally posted by: etech
bolinger

When you can give me the details of the "Iraq pipeline" that you said the US is building than can back and we'll have a discussion.

Until then, adios troll.

How can I give you details if they haven't started building it yet? Why don't you wait until they start building, because it WILL happen.

Just like you can go on and on saying there are WMD in Iraq, even though none have been found yet. But they WILL be found, right?

How do you know about it then?

right, you don't. troll elsewhere please.

How do you know about WMD? If you think the war is justified, then you must believe they exist, even though their physical existence has yet to be proved.

Does anyone want to support etech's side here and say that NO US companies will be involved in the Iraqi oil industry after the war is over? Of course, I'm sure France would love an oil contract with post-war Iraq (better yet, I bet Syria would be dying for a chance to have a crack at it), but most Americans generally accept the fact that WE will be involved in Iraq's oil industry since WE footed the bill for the war. Why don't you believe it etech?
 

etech

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Originally posted by: bolinger
Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: bolinger
Originally posted by: etech
bolinger

When you can give me the details of the "Iraq pipeline" that you said the US is building than can back and we'll have a discussion.

Until then, adios troll.

How can I give you details if they haven't started building it yet? Why don't you wait until they start building, because it WILL happen.

Just like you can go on and on saying there are WMD in Iraq, even though none have been found yet. But they WILL be found, right?

How do you know about it then?

right, you don't. troll elsewhere please.

How do you know about WMD? If you think the war is justified, then you must believe they exist, even though their physical existence has yet to be proved.

Does anyone want to support etech's side here and say that NO US companies will be involved in the Iraqi oil industry after the war is over? Of course, I'm sure France would love an oil contract with post-war Iraq (better yet, I bet Syria would be dying for a chance to have a crack at it), but most Americans generally accept the fact that WE will be involved in Iraq's oil industry since WE footed the bill for the war. Why don't you believe it etech?

Back to your pipeline statement troll. Where is it going to be built and so forth. I will not let you change the subject until you admit that you don't know of any pipeline proposed or planned for Iraq. The time is now for you to put up or shut up.

Next, I never said that no US companies will be involved in the rebuilding of Iraq. I hope they are. The Iraqis deserve the best. But please don't take the trolls approach to discussion and say I said things that I didn't. It only makes your trolling more obvious and pathetic.



 

bolinger

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I will not let you change the subject until you admit that you don't know of any pipeline proposed or planned for Iraq.
Okay, I admit I don't know of pipeline proposed or planned for Iraq. That doesn't mean there is or isn't one, it just means that none have been disclosed yet.

So can we change the subject now? Do you believe there are WMD in Iraq? If yes, where is your proof (any article stating that WMD have been discovered and confirmed in Iraq will do). Try to stay away from sources that have the words "alleged", "possibility", and "supposed" in them, because they have an uncanny record of being disproved within 24 hours.

No proof? Just assumptions? Troll.
 

bolinger

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BTW, I have no quarral with you etech. I just find the double-standard (whereby I'm a troll for making dissenting assumptions about the US, but you're in the right for making assumptions about Iraq's WMD) to be a little annoying. You can argue with me, that's what a forum is for. But calling people trolls because their viewpoint is the opposite of yours isn't your job.