Executive wage limits may be extended to all US companies

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fskimospy

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Originally posted by: palehorse
wait, isn't Hollywood supposed to receive some of the money allocated in the new Stimulus package? I wonder how the directors, movie stars, studio execs, and other media moguls will react to a 500k cap!

This is getting completely out of hand... all of this government interference in the market is going bring down the entire house of cards. All they needed to do was implement oversight, establish accountability, and perhaps pass some stricter regulations governing a few industries. Instead, we ended up kicking off an avalanche of viral "bailouts" and "stimulus" packages that will eventually bury us deeper than we ever imagined. At the same time, our largest businesses will be moving offshore to avoid the ridiculous socialist tendencies that are beginning to take real shape with proposals being discussed by our representatives that are downright f'n scary.

I truly hope that Obama puts a stop to this. I voted for him because I believed in his character and his ability to make an educated decision. Thus far, he's not done much to live up to those expectations. I sincerely hope and pray that Obama thinks Franks' ideas are as crazy as I think they are!

bah...

Oh jesus. Look who else jumped on the Specop 'poorly informed paranoia' bandwagon. You guys have absolutely no idea what is in these bills or in these regulations but you're just SURE that it's some communist plot. You know what? Nobody knows what is in these bills, but then again, that's why I don't opine on how corporations are going to be fleeing the new socialist America, how we're going to be buried by evil regulations, etc.

I would very much like you to link to provisions in these bills or draft regulations that would lead to what you said. I bet that you can't. If you somehow can though, at least we can have a real discussion on the implementation of these regulations and what they would actually mean. I'll take a bet right now that they turn out to be fairly benign.
 

GoPackGo

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If something like that every went through you'd hear a giant sucking sound of corporations leaving this country.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If something like that every went through you'd hear a giant sucking sound of corporations leaving this country.

To go... where?

Seriously.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If something like that every went through you'd hear a giant sucking sound of corporations leaving this country.

To go... where?

Seriously.

Any country that wouldn't have that law.

 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Oh jesus. Look who else jumped on the Specop 'poorly informed paranoia' bandwagon. You guys have absolutely no idea what is in these bills or in these regulations but you're just SURE that it's some communist plot. You know what? Nobody knows what is in these bills, but then again, that's why I don't opine on how corporations are going to be fleeing the new socialist America, how we're going to be buried by evil regulations, etc.

I would very much like you to link to provisions in these bills or draft regulations that would lead to what you said. I bet that you can't. If you somehow can though, at least we can have a real discussion on the implementation of these regulations and what they would actually mean. I'll take a bet right now that they turn out to be fairly benign.
I didn't say anywhere that the verbiage was in bills that already exist. I was referring to the proposals being discussed and considered by the likes of Franks and Geithner. Such as:

Mr. Geithner said he would consider ?extending at least some of the TARP provisions and features of the $500,000 cap to U.S. companies generally.?

It's their direction of travel that has me concerned.

We are allowed to discuss possibilities, aren't we? I think this one is realistic, especially given the audacity of Geithner's own words and the general lack of character throughout Congress.

Answer me these:

1. Would you care if Congress passed a salary cap of 500k on all US persons?

2. Do you think that Hollywood execs will be granted an exception to the caps if/when they receive the money currently allocated for them in the draft Stimulus packages circulating through Congress as we speak?

Just curious...
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If something like that every went through you'd hear a giant sucking sound of corporations leaving this country.

To go... where?

Seriously.

Any country that wouldn't have that law.

Forgetting the fact that we're speculating on a complete fiction... and that country is?...

Remembering that the reality is that the exec wage limits apply only to companies that have taken billions in federal bailout money... and that country is that could do the same?...

Now, how much would these execs have made if the govt didn't bail them out? And the socialist is?... you and your ilk if you ask me.
 

soundforbjt

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Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If something like that every went through you'd hear a giant sucking sound of corporations leaving this country.

To go... where?

Seriously.

Any country that wouldn't have that law.


Trust me they won't leave...they're here in name and headquarters only now for the most part.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: soundforbjt
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
If something like that every went through you'd hear a giant sucking sound of corporations leaving this country.

To go... where?

Seriously.

Any country that wouldn't have that law.


Trust me they won't leave...they're here in name and headquarters only now for the most part.

A company could move their headquarters to India, South Africa...any country that was more business friendly.

Most companies don't make squat here anymore any way.

Look at IBM...they are moving 1000's of jobs to India and will end up moving them all.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Oh jesus. Look who else jumped on the Specop 'poorly informed paranoia' bandwagon. You guys have absolutely no idea what is in these bills or in these regulations but you're just SURE that it's some communist plot. You know what? Nobody knows what is in these bills, but then again, that's why I don't opine on how corporations are going to be fleeing the new socialist America, how we're going to be buried by evil regulations, etc.

I would very much like you to link to provisions in these bills or draft regulations that would lead to what you said. I bet that you can't. If you somehow can though, at least we can have a real discussion on the implementation of these regulations and what they would actually mean. I'll take a bet right now that they turn out to be fairly benign.
I didn't say anywhere that the verbiage was in bills that already exist. I was referring to the proposals being discussed and considered by the likes of Franks and Geithner. Such as:

Mr. Geithner said he would consider ?extending at least some of the TARP provisions and features of the $500,000 cap to U.S. companies generally.?

It's their direction of travel that has me concerned.

We are allowed to discuss possibilities, aren't we? I think this one is realistic, especially given the audacity of Geithner's own words and the general lack of character throughout Congress.

Answer me this: Would you care if Congress passed a salary cap of 500k on all US persons?

And what I'm saying is that your speculation is wild, groundless, and a complete waste of time. Of course I wouldn't like Congress passing a salary cap of 500k on all US citizens, or anyone else for that matter. Then again, I'm sane, so I know that it will never happen. While we're on things of similar likelihood, for the record I would also oppose Congress granting emergency powers to Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, along with the construction of the Death Star. Blowing up planets is not infrastructure.

'general direction', eh? You realize that the TARP provisions run the gamut from things like 'creating greater transparency and accountability to shareholders in regards to executive compensation' (something that I imagine most everyone supports), to 'hard caps on executive compensation' (which I imagine most people do not support). So what direction does a generalized statement about implementing 'some' of these policies mean? What direction would you say that is? Are you against greater transparency?

Answer me this, are you against corporations being accountable to their shareholders? (see how easy this is?)

If you go back to your post, you basically say that the US is going down a rabbit hole of socialism that will chase companies offshore, that we're indulging 'ridiculous socialist tendencies', and things like that... then you admit that it's all speculation and you have no idea what you're talking about other than some vague notion you pieced together based on absurdly limited information.

Really? THAT is what you want to talk about?
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
And what I'm saying is that your speculation is wild, groundless, and a complete waste of time. Of course I wouldn't like Congress passing a salary cap of 500k on all US citizens, or anyone else for that matter. Then again, I'm sane, so I know that it will never happen.
"groundless"? Those were Geithner's words, not mine.

'general direction', eh? You realize that the TARP provisions run the gamut from things like 'creating greater transparency and accountability to shareholders in regards to executive compensation' (something that I imagine most everyone supports), to 'hard caps on executive compensation' (which I imagine most people do not support). So what direction does a generalized statement about implementing 'some' of these policies mean? What direction would you say that is? Are you against greater transparency?
1. You misquoted me, 2. Geithner's quote speaks to aspects of the salary caps specifically.

Answer me this, are you against corporations being accountable to their shareholders? (see how easy this is?)

My very first post here spelled it out. I wrote:

"All they needed to do [before the very first bailout] was implement some smart oversight, establish accountability, and pass some stricter regulations governing a few important industries."

So yes, I very much care about accountability to stockholders. That said, the money they've thrown at the issue has been a complete and total waste, and it's only going to get worse.

If you go back to your post, you basically say that the US is going down a rabbit hole of socialism that will chase companies offshore, that we're indulging 'ridiculous socialist tendencies', and things like that... then you admit that it's all speculation and you have no idea what you're talking about other than some vague notion you pieced together based on absurdly limited information.

Really? THAT is what you want to talk about?
It's a horrible trend that began the moment the original TARP idea was conceived, and I've only seen it getting worse every day. You have every right to believe differently. We'll just have to wait 8-10 years to see who was right...

What do you think would happen if/when this round of bank, auto, and jobs bailouts doesn't do a damn thing to fix the economy? My guess is that they'll try to throw even more money at the problem again... and again... and again...
 

Nemesis 1

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I always wonder what it was like to be in a cast system . Welcome back to the middle ages. I feel bad for myself since I will not comply. I will be an untouchable the lowest of the low. Dam the a hugh tradeoff from today. Future looking Worse for you guys than me . LOL.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: eskimospy
And what I'm saying is that your speculation is wild, groundless, and a complete waste of time. Of course I wouldn't like Congress passing a salary cap of 500k on all US citizens, or anyone else for that matter. Then again, I'm sane, so I know that it will never happen.
"groundless"? Those were Geithner's words, not mine.

'general direction', eh? You realize that the TARP provisions run the gamut from things like 'creating greater transparency and accountability to shareholders in regards to executive compensation' (something that I imagine most everyone supports), to 'hard caps on executive compensation' (which I imagine most people do not support). So what direction does a generalized statement about implementing 'some' of these policies mean? What direction would you say that is? Are you against greater transparency?
1. You misquoted me, 2. Geithner's quote speaks to aspects of the salary caps specifically.

Answer me this, are you against corporations being accountable to their shareholders? (see how easy this is?)

My very first post here spelled it out. I wrote:

"All they needed to do [before the very first bailout] was implement some smart oversight, establish accountability, and pass some stricter regulations governing a few important industries."

So yes, I very much care about accountability to stockholders. That said, the money they've thrown at the issue has been a complete and total waste, and it's only going to get worse.

If you go back to your post, you basically say that the US is going down a rabbit hole of socialism that will chase companies offshore, that we're indulging 'ridiculous socialist tendencies', and things like that... then you admit that it's all speculation and you have no idea what you're talking about other than some vague notion you pieced together based on absurdly limited information.

Really? THAT is what you want to talk about?
It's a horrible trend that began the moment the original TARP idea was conceived, and I've only seen it getting worse every day. You have every right to believe differently. We'll just have to wait 8-10 years to see who was right...

What do you think would happen if/when this round of bank, auto, and jobs bailouts doesn't do a damn thing to fix the economy? My guess is that they'll try to throw even more money at the problem again... and again... and again...

And Geithner's words relate to 'aspects of the salary caps'. Some aspects of the salary caps proposed specifically relate to a requirement of greater shareholder transparency in regards to executive pay. (in order to pay executives more than a certain amount, shareholders must be notified of the details... greater transparency, great idea) This is what I'm saying when I mention paranoia without knowing what you're talking about.

As far as your idea that the money we've spent on TARP has been 'wasted', that's another statement that you can't possibly support. My advice to you is to wait until someone proposes a bill or regulation that you don't like, you'll have all the time in the world to foam about it then, and at least in that case you'll be able to do so in an informed manner. What you're doing now is a total waste of time.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Just think of how much this will save all those poor rich people on their taxes.

I guess one could say that every cloud has it's silver lining. ;)
That is what I was thinking. Just like a tax on the rich, only different.
 

wirelessenabled

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Originally posted by: Specop 007
Nothing like trying to ruin your country like imposing wage limits on skilled manpower. The Democrats jealousy of free markets is going to be shining through in the next few months I bet. Its going to be interesting to see if this passes.

Sad days indeed. ....................

What would be your definition of "skilled manpower"?

The CEOs and VPs who managed to crash almost all of the Wall St firms as well as all the large banks?

The CEOs of the auto mfg companies?

Homebuilding firms?

Skilled manpower are the folks who adapt to the situation they are facing rather than just carrying on in rote precession indifferent to the real world.

 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I back it for those who receive bail out money but those who don't, well the Government has no business dictating how much their CEO's should make.

i agree. i don't see this passing or being legal.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
As far as your idea that the money we've spent on TARP has been 'wasted', that's another statement that you can't possibly support. My advice to you is to wait until someone proposes a bill or regulation that you don't like, you'll have all the time in the world to foam about it then, and at least in that case you'll be able to do so in an informed manner. What you're doing now is a total waste of time.
I do not like the TARP, the auto-industry bailouts, or the new Stimulus plans. I am of the opinion that we would have been better off without all of the above. and that they are just the beginning of the avalanche.

time will tell...
 
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
It is all stuff that can be reversed when the GOP regains power. The pendulum will never stop swinging.

This is not true. The people that vote democrat are producing (babies) faster than the people that vote Republican. Further, when the baby boomers die, it won't even be close.

:confused:

You are assuming people vote how their parents do?

No, I am not.
 

Craig234

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There's a lot more in his comments than the cap issue, and he's right on.

He's saying exactly what should be done in some areas:

The provision will be part of a broader package that would likely give the Federal Reserve the authority to monitor systemic risk in the economy and to shut down financial institutions that face too much exposure, Mr. Frank said.

Also included in the legislation: registration requirements for hedge funds and proposals aimed at curbing conflicts of interest at credit-rating agencies such as Standard & Poor?s.

The bill, which the committee is working on in consultation with the Obama administration, also will require financial institutions that bundle mortgages into securities to share in potential losses. This would give banks and mortgage-specialists an incentive not to make bad loans, he said. Institutions that securitize loans improperly will incur tougher penalties.

?There have been too few constraints on major financial institutions incurring far more liability than they could handle,? Mr. Frank said.

One of the problems is the government not allowing itself to pay any attention to developing problems and taking any preventive action before this type of disaster.

Removing conflicts of interest for ratings agencies is not just a good idea, it's absud not to do that. A key factor in the current crisis is the corruption of those ratings.

Having companies incented to not sell bad derivatives by sharing in the profits or losses of what they sell - why would people object, they're happy with the current system?

Tightening up the regulation of taking on liability so that you don't have a house of cards squeezing profit in a manner that causes almost every large institution to be in danger?

Do people understand why there are insurance regulations requiring reserves and such to sell insurance for financial products - regualtions the industry circumvented when they got loopholes passed? Our 'financial services' industry should not be making 30% of the nation's profits, as they have been. That shows a level of concentrated power and corruption little better than seeing 25% of a city's businesses' budgets going to pay 'for 'protection' to a local 'protection' company. DING DING DING - mafia.

It's not always easy to say just how things are not working; businesses have a legitimate securitity budget. Cameras, police, alarms, scurity guards, IT. If that budget it 1%, no problem. if they spend 5% of the budget, it raises an issue about being excessive, why that is. If it's 25%, big red flags go up, it's likely something corrupt. Similarlyan eceonmy has a legitimate 'financial services' overhead. When that becomes 30% of profits, red flags go up. There's likely corruption going on, where things are set up for their interests.

When the price of oil skyrocketed, and then plummeted by half when the government threatened to regulate the speculators, does that gice a hint there's an issue?

It's a mistake, as the first posters did, to look only at the cap issue in his comments (as that's that the OP did in the subject). There's a lot more.

Don't get cuaught up only by the 'flashy' issue.

Legendkiller said 'this won't work, and there will be a revolt'. Funny, that describes the poliicies of the last 8-25 years much better - they didn't work, and there's been a revolt.
 

CLite

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Holy shit, everyone needs to take a HARD look at their reading comprehension. Selective mis quotes FTW

Article Quotes.

Congress will consider legislation to extend some of the curbs on executive pay that now apply only to those banks receiving federal assistance, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank said.

He said the compensation restrictions would apply to all financial institutions and might be extended to include all U.S. companies.

Clearly he is fucking talking about the restrictions extending to all financial instutions and might extend to all U.S. companies receiving aid (i.e. GM/etc.)

He is only talking to people receiving aid

Mr. Frank has summoned the CEOs of Citigroup, J.P. Morgan Chase and the seven other U.S. financial firms that got $125 billion from TARP to testify at a Feb. 11 committee hearing.

People so eager to troll. Please change title of OP, lest your complete lack of intelligence continues to broadcast for all to see.

 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: glenn1

I hope they do it. Many of those high paying executive jobs are located in blue states and cities. New York City is already reeling from the loss of thousands of high-paying jobs in the finance sector, this would hurt them even worse and that will provide no small amount of schadenfreude to see them bring the pain on themselves.

So you're a socialist?

Why not prevent the situation through correct fixes, such as larger amounts of investor rights and oversight?

You say socialist like it is a bad thing. It isn't. Capitalism got us into this mess, so shouldn't you be fear and smearing capitalism? I'm pretty sure dragging down the entire world's economy over capitalist greed is worse than your phantom "socialist" fearing.

 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
When did Obama promise executive pay caps for all US corporations? I'm sure he was only referring to those who receive government assistance.

Campaign speeches. He veiled it as "accountability", but the tone was very clear. He wanted to cap executive compensation.

That's interpretive, not factual.

True, but is the interpretation not coming to fruition? Baby steps he's making, but his end goal is clear.

Fear and smear. 8 years wasn't enough?
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I always wonder what it was like to be in a cast system . Welcome back to the middle ages. I feel bad for myself since I will not comply. I will be an untouchable the lowest of the low. Dam the a hugh tradeoff from today. Future looking Worse for you guys than me . LOL.

In a cast system people would have trouble moving.