Executive Order giving INTERPOL immunity in the US Signed into effect

[Genx87]

By Allies, I meant the Cold War standings, not the entire Allied contingent. And the Allies were more than those three countries. There were over 70 countries that had forces land on the beaches in Normandy.

Do some research. The consensus among historians is that Germany already lost in 1943, before America/Britain really got involved. When they lost at Kursk, it was all flailing about until the end. All we did was hasten the end by a couple months. Remember, we only faced between 10-20% of the Heer and less than 10% of the Shultzschaffel on the Western Front. Those were mostly refresh and refit units as well, as they were cycled out of the grinder in the East. There were only 100 or so Panthers and less than 50 Tigers on the Western Front, while the East saw over 4000 Panthers, 1300 Tiger Is and 350 Tiger IIs. We faced less than 5% of the Luftwaffe. The vast, vast majority of forces were busy engaging Russia.

America played a significant role in destroying Japan and establishing the lines for the Cold War. For destroying Nazi Germany, not so much.

We supplied the Soviets with thousands of trucks and tons of supplies before we landed on the beaches in North African, Silicy, Italy, and eventually Normandy. The Germans lost the war at the battle of Stalingrad. But really the decision to use army group center in Sept 41 to encircle 650,000 Soviet troops at Kiev and delay the attack on Moscow by a month is what destroyed their entire chance at victory.

 

[werepossum]

The FBI falls under the Department of Justice, so it is not above the law, though many of its actions are secret or classified. The CIA is essentially immune from prosecution period due to the fact it is an independent agency.

Actually I meant did Obama get similar protections for our FBI and/or CIA in those countries recognizing Interpol. The left is assuming that since it's Obama, everything's okay. The right (well, not me) is assuming that since it's Obama, it's an insidious plot to destroy America. (Mind you, I'm not ruling that out; it is Obama.)

I'm just wondering if Obama traded immunity for Interpol for something of value to us, or if he is just furthering his vision of a strengthened UN and a weakened USA as "justice". Immunity for Interpol would mean that if their forces snatched a soldier, civilian worker, or CIA operative in the USA for trial elsewhere, then they would be immune to prosecution for kidnapping, or even for death if the operation goes wrong. Immunity for our equivalent forces would mean that Spanish, Italian, etc. warrants would become meaningless, that only prosecution under the UN would be possible. (Which protection might or might not apply retroactively.) In other words, this seems like a typically leftist ass thing to do, but it might in fact be a pragmatic response to a real problem. I'd kind of like to know which.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Actually I meant did Obama get similar protections for our FBI and/or CIA in those countries recognizing Interpol. The left is assuming that since it's Obama, everything's okay. The right (well, not me) is assuming that since it's Obama, it's an insidious plot to destroy America. (Mind you, I'm not ruling that out; it is Obama.)

I'm just wondering if Obama traded immunity for Interpol for something of value to us, or if he is just furthering his vision of a strengthened UN and a weakened USA as "justice". Immunity for Interpol would mean that if their forces snatched a soldier, civilian worker, or CIA operative in the USA for trial elsewhere, then they would be immune to prosecution for kidnapping, or even for death if the operation goes wrong. Immunity for our equivalent forces would mean that Spanish, Italian, etc. warrants would become meaningless, that only prosecution under the UN would be possible. (Which protection might or might not apply retroactively.) In other words, this seems like a typically leftist ass thing to do, but it might in fact be a pragmatic response to a real problem. I'd kind of like to know which.

Please read the links myself and others posted, and educate yourself before posting such obvious disinformation and other lies.

 

[papadage]

From Interpol web site:

"Approximately 550 staff members from more than 80 different countries are employed at the INTERPOL General Secretariat, regional bureaus and the liaison office at the United Nations, working in any of the organization’s four official languages: Arabic, English, French and Spanish. A third of these are either seconded or detached by their national law enforcement administrations in INTERPOL’s 188 member countries; the remaining are international civil servants hired under contract directly by the organization. INTERPOL accepts applications from nationals of all member countries to ensure that the organization remains truly representative."

Reading is fundamental. This is the General Secretariat, simlar to headquarters. It's a mixed staff of law enforecement agents "seconded" from member countries and civil servants. Seconding means that an FBI agent can do a tour with Interpol, but is still primarily an employee of the FBI, with all duties attendant, including obeying US law. So, who are you afraid of, the cleaning staff? Clerks? Oh, I know, the guy who they send for donuts.

Idiot.

 

[Nemesis 1]

NWO

And I'm not talking about the cool version with Hollywood Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall.

Here we go . You don't get it . These people will never except the trueth until there in bondage. But you got it right.

 

[Nemesis 1]

National Review is a bad joke. You need to go elsewhere for your info, as we do to get the reason for this Executive Order.

The hypocrisy is thick the people who will squeal the oudest about any hint of any international authority in the US are the same who think it's great the US put hundreds of thousands of armed mercenaries occupying the nation of Iraq who were immune, as US forces are, to Iraq law, but also immune, unlike US forces, to US law.

Gotta love how the NR hack thinks he's proven there are no Bush and Cheney crimes just by his saying the phrase that the actions were 'for our defense'.

How twisted has the word defense become when one nation invades and occupies another for years, primarily over its concern that it can get its hands on that country's oil, and calls it 'defense'.

I guess Bermie Madoff 'defended himself' from his clients when he aggressively solicited their money. OJ 'defended himself' from his wife.

No wonder we changed 'Department of War' to 'Department of Defense'. Propaganda, and boy has it worked on people. The old Soviet Union propagandists must have been in awe of our guys.

You are really really twisted . Don't change because your on to something here.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Obama is a disaster on all fronts. Wasn't he a constitutional law professor? He's neither liberal or conservative but every day he looks more like a fascist

Well zebo I like what your saying , But I would change Fascist to nigerian

 

[Nemesis 1]

Funny. I've probably dropped more LSD than you can even imagine along with plenty of strippers. I know all about the counter culture. But I grew up.

Nice pure shit from Purdue's finest. Heavy dose? You have no idea.

This is so funny I did it 1 time. I think it was 1970 not sure but I do know it was US government issue LsD 25 and it kicked my ass . I was with good friends had a great time . But once was more than enough for myself.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The first move against the USA. The first bush win in were the Supreme idiots stopped the recount.
They stole the election for all to see.

The next step was to install an unnatural american to presidency , I don't even want to see whats up next do you?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Careful, your racism is showing.

So if he would have said fuck you Bush would that have made him a racist . Why you playing the race card that shit is really old and tiring.

 

[Robor]

Dude, your posts are painful to read.

 

[Nemesis 1]

usa! Usa! Usa!

Not true . Germany was defeated by USSR not USA. Read history. They just wanted us in the war and they got us there.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Dude, your posts are painful to read.

So are yours .

 

[nobodyknows]

Reading is fundamental. This is the General Secretariat, simlar to headquarters. It's a mixed staff of law enforecement agents "seconded" from member countries and civil servants. Seconding means that an FBI agent can do a tour with Interpol, but is still primarily an employee of the FBI, with all duties attendant, including obeying US law. So, who are you afraid of, the cleaning staff? Clerks? Oh, I know, the guy who they send for donuts.

Idiot.

If they are under contract with Interpol then wouldn't the immunity apply to them no matter WHAT there job?

If you read what I posted only 1/3 or the 550 employed were "seconded". That seems to leave a lot of people running around with immunity to me? I guess we shouldn't worry about it though, I mean they are cops and we can trust them like we trust all the rest of our public servants, right? NOT!!

Idiot.

 

[Deeko]

I only read the first page (~60 posts) and scanned the rest. There is a lot of huffing and puffing about useless nonsense from both sides in this thread.

I'd like to remind you before stating this that I voted for Obama and still support him. However - to all you mindless liberals that are sitting there whining that conservatives are just worried about nothing, tin foil hats, etc....just shut your little hive mind up for a second and answer a legitimate question.

Why should we do this? Whether you think something bad will come from this or not - what the hell is the advantage of doing this? How can this possibly be construed as a good thing?

Answer me those questions, then resume your usual back-and-forth worthless banter, children.

 

[werepossum]

I only read the first page (~60 posts) and scanned the rest. There is a lot of huffing and puffing about useless nonsense from both sides in this thread.

I'd like to remind you before stating this that I voted for Obama and still support him. However - to all you mindless liberals that are sitting their whining that conservatives are just worried about nothing, tin foil hats, etc....just shut your little hive mind up for a second and answer a legitimate question.

Why should we do this? Whether you think something bad will come from this or not - what the hell is the advantage of doing this? How can this possibly be construed as a good thing?

Answer me those questions, then resume your usual back-and-forth worthless banter, children.

That is essentially my question. However, due to the system logging me out I actually saw a response from Garfield the Cat and followed his link. By the information posted there (and I've no reason to doubt it) the liberals are correct in saying that immunity from prosecution was already granted to Interpol; only such things as Freedom of Information Act requests, income, payroll, and property taxes, and immunity from search and confiscation have been added by Obama. The big things we normally think of as immunity - such as immunity from prosecution under US laws - were already in place.

So in that light it's just a very small step in according more power and more of our sovereignty to international bodies like Interpol rather than a fundamental change in US law or society. Probably these same protections already exist in European and NATO countries (although I haven't the interest to search it out.) So I'm guessing we got nothing in return for this extension of additional immunity, but that we probably aren't taking any great risks either, just furthering the international organizations' desire to be above national laws.

 

[Rainsford]

For the people complaining about this, I'm curious if you could give me a detailed explanation of WHAT exactly you object to in the changes in this law. Nobody is giving anybody blanket immunity, laws don't work like that. Laws have specific details, if you want to discuss those laws, it might be worth exploring those details instead of resorting to generic bitching.

 

[wiretap]

For the people complaining about this, I'm curious if you could give me a detailed explanation of WHAT exactly you object to in the changes in this law. Nobody is giving anybody blanket immunity, laws don't work like that. Laws have specific details, if you want to discuss those laws, it might be worth exploring those details instead of resorting to generic bitching.

It appears most people are pissed off that they [INTERPOL] now have no constraints and can freely exercise their operations on our soil, and we're granting immunity to those operations. They have the ability to hire anyone under their ranks, come in and take a person or assets, take them out of the country, then do their business outside of our shores without granting due process of law as guaranteed by our Constitution. That's how the legislation reads no matter how you want to spin it.. all the little op-ed articles and blogs are trying to cover for the dear leader's decision because they want to fall in line with the faggotry globalist mentality. The truth is we have lost our country and freedoms/protections. It's only getting worse with each passing day. Go ahead and turn on the lamestream news and I can guarantee they are telling you what new 'rules' the government is setting out that you must follow.. and they're going right along with it like it's supposed to be for your own personal safety/security. Sheep. Go back to bed.

 

[JSt0rm]

knee jerk retards lmao. I love seeing these dumb fuck rednecks get their 4 brain cells worked up.

 

[Rainsford]

It appears most people are pissed off that they [INTERPOL] now have no constraints and can freely exercise their operations on our soil, and we're granting immunity to those operations. They have the ability to hire anyone under their ranks, come in and take a person or assets, take them out of the country, then do their business outside of our shores without granting due process of law as guaranteed by our Constitution. That's how the legislation reads no matter how you want to spin it.. all the little op-ed articles and blogs are trying to cover for the dear leader's decision because they want to fall in line with the faggotry globalist mentality. The truth is we have lost our country and freedoms/protections. It's only getting worse with each passing day. Go ahead and turn on the lamestream news and I can guarantee they are telling you what new 'rules' the government is setting out that you must follow.. and they're going right along with it like it's supposed to be for your own personal safety/security. Sheep. Go back to bed.

This is really my fault...I should have been clearer. When I asked for specific objections, I was asking for specifics based on actual facts, not your tin-foil coated imagination.

Now if you can point me to the parts in the law that allow Interpol to do all that bullshit you just said, I'll agree with you. But I think we both know why you're sticking to vague generalities while insisting "that's how the legislation reads". Really? Which parts of it?

 

[fskimospy]

This is really my fault...I should have been clearer. When I asked for specific objections, I was asking for specifics based on actual facts, not your tin-foil coated imagination.

Now if you can point me to the parts in the law that allow Interpol to do all that bullshit you just said, I'll agree with you. But I think we both know why you're sticking to vague generalities while insisting "that's how the legislation reads". Really? Which parts of it?

Nothing causes people to flee more quickly on here than the dreaded phrase "please give me specific examples".

 

[wiretap]

This is really my fault...I should have been clearer. When I asked for specific objections, I was asking for specifics based on actual facts, not your tin-foil coated imagination.

Now if you can point me to the parts in the law that allow Interpol to do all that bullshit you just said, I'll agree with you. But I think we both know why you're sticking to vague generalities while insisting "that's how the legislation reads". Really? Which parts of it?

These parts which were listed in the first post, which are direct excerpts... laying out ground rules for their immunity.

International organizations shall enjoy the status, immunities,
exemptions, and privileges set forth in this section, as follows:
(a) International organizations shall, to the extent consistent
with the instrument creating them, possess the capacity -
(i) to contract;
(ii) to acquire and dispose of real and personal property;
(iii) to institute legal proceedings.
(b) International organizations, their property and their assets,
wherever located, and by whomsoever held, shall enjoy the same
immunity from suit and every form of judicial process as is enjoyed
by foreign governments, except to the extent that such
organizations may expressly waive their immunity for the purpose of
any proceedings or by the terms of any contract.
(c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever
located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless
such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The
archives of international organizations shall be inviolable.
(d) Insofar as concerns customs duties and internal-revenue taxes
imposed upon or by reason of importation, and the procedures in
connection therewith; the registration of foreign agents; and the
treatment of official communications, the privileges, exemptions,
and immunities to which international organizations shall be
entitled shall be those accorded under similar circumstances to
foreign governments.

It is not "tin foil" nor is it some sort of lunacy. It is actual fact, actual executive branch power that has over-ridden the US Constitution. I don't know if you just can't read or if some of those words are too big for you to understand.. or maybe you don't want to believe it to be true.. I really don't know. I'm not going to argue any further if you refuse to acknowledge what just happened, historically/factually/legislatively. I don't care how many of your little buddies team up and say "yeah, haha look at that guy on the internet on the other side of the argument, look how stupid he is". You'll be the first to fall due to your ignorance and sheer blindness to what is happening in the country. I'll pray for you.

 

[fskimospy]

These parts which were listed in the first post, which are direct excerpts... laying out ground rules for their immunity.


It is not "tin foil" nor is it some sort of lunacy. It is actual fact, actual executive branch power that has over-ridden the US Constitution. I don't know if you just can't read or if some of those words are too big for you to understand.. or maybe you don't want to believe it to be true.. I really don't know. I'm not going to argue any further if you refuse to acknowledge what just happened, historically/factually/legislatively. I don't care how many of your little buddies team up and say "yeah, haha look at that guy on the internet on the other side of the argument, look how stupid he is". You'll be the first to fall due to your ignorance and sheer blindness to what is happening in the country. I'll pray for you.

INTERPOL already had those abilities you mention, and has had them since Ronald Reagan gave them it. The only difference now is that INTERPOL has immunity from some oversight provisions such as the FOIA. There's good reason not to like that, but what you're saying Obama has done is absolutely ridiculous. If you had a problem with any of those things you're almost 3 decades too late.

 

[wiretap]

INTERPOL already had those abilities you mention, and has had them since Ronald Reagan gave them it. The only difference now is that INTERPOL has immunity from some oversight provisions such as the FOIA. There's good reason not to like that, but what you're saying Obama has done is absolutely ridiculous. If you had a problem with any of those things you're almost 3 decades too late.

You're incorrect.

Last Thursday, December 17, 2009, The White House released an Executive Order “Amending Executive Order 12425.” It grants INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization) a new level of full diplomatic immunity afforded to foreign embassies and select other “International Organizations” as set forth in the United States International Organizations Immunities Act of 1945.

By removing language from President Reagan’s 1983 Executive Order 12425, this international law enforcement body now operates – now operates – on American soil beyond the reach of our own top law enforcement arm, the FBI, and is immune from Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests. …

After initial review and discussions between the writers of this analysis, the context was spelled out plainly.

Through EO 12425, President Reagan extended to INTERPOL recognition as an “International Organization.” In short, the privileges and immunities afforded foreign diplomats was extended to INTERPOL. Two sets of important privileges and immunities were withheld: Section 2© and the remaining sections cited (all of which deal with differing taxes).

And then comes December 17, 2009, and President Obama. The exemptions in EO 12425 were removed.

Section 2c of the United States International Organizations Immunities Act is the crucial piece.

Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable. (Emphasis added.)

Inviolable archives means INTERPOL records are beyond US citizens’ Freedom of Information Act requests and from American legal or investigative discovery (“unless such immunity be expressly waived.&#8221

Property and assets being immune from search and confiscation means precisely that. Wherever they may be in the United States. This could conceivably include human assets – Americans arrested on our soil by INTERPOL officers.

 

[fskimospy]

You're incorrect.

Uhmmm, no I'm not. Nothing in your quote there addresses my post. INTERPOL could already do all the awful things you mentioned, the primary difference now is the immunity from FOIA requests.

I am a big believer in police transparency and I don't like INTERPOL being exempted form FOIA one bit. To cast this as some sort of situation where the Constitution has suddenly become secondary is complete lunacy though. If you believe the Constitution is beneath INTERPOL, then it has been for 30 years, and not by Obama's hand.