executive experience? i'm running a big campaign

[shrumpage]

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...l-disaster-experience/

Barack Obama defended his experience in dealing with natural disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina, and took a swipe at newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

In an interview on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 Monday night, Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin?s executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

?My understanding is that Gov. Palin?s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year ? we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,? Obama responded.

Our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the past couple of years and certainly in terms of the legislation I?ve passed in the past couple of years, post-Katrina.?

Mispronouncing Wassilla as Wassilly could have been accidental, but it does come off as immature particularly for a presidential candidate.

Highlighting your ability to manage your own campaign vs. your opponent's running mate ability to run a small town - just sounds very weak, especially when she is currently running a state.


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[jpeyton]

And Barack was vetted and voted into his position, not chosen by McSame to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency. The people put Barack where he is today. The people are the ones running Palin through the ringer right now.

 

[nageov3t]

the little lady is so cute, thinking her resume matters. why isn't she baking pies?

Barack was vetted

by whom? a couple dozen move-on activists in the caucuses?

it seemed, in the primaries, like the more people got to know Obama the worst he did.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...l-disaster-experience/

Barack Obama defended his experience in dealing with natural disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina, and took a swipe at newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

In an interview on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 Monday night, Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin?s executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

?My understanding is that Gov. Palin?s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year ? we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,? Obama responded.

Our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the past couple of years and certainly in terms of the legislation I?ve passed in the past couple of years, post-Katrina.?

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Link? Sort of weak by Obama if accurate, as he's using the straw man of her time as mayor instead of her time as governor in the comparison.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: loki8481
the little lady is so cute, thinking her resume matters. why isn't she baking pies?

Barack was vetted

by whom? a couple dozen move-on activists in the caucuses?

it seemed, in the primaries, like the more people got to know Obama the worst he did.

That is flat wrong. First, he won the "popular vote," though of course that is disputed, but it is disputed because he wasn't able to campaign in Florida and Michigan and it was common during the primaries that Clinton would start out well due to name recognition but once Obama campaigned someplace he would slowly eat away at her lead in the polls. Even in his losses in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Texas he had started much farther behind than he finished. Now I'm not going to try to back up the popular vote argument I'm just saying there is an argument because of this well-known fact that when he campaigned someplace he improved in the polls.

 

[ProfJohn]

Doesn't Obama have a campaign manager??

From what I understand David Axelrod pretty much runs the campaign and shapes the message.

Think of it this way, if Bush had made this statement all the libs would be laughing while claiming that Rove actually runs the campaign. Axelrod is Obama's Karl Rove.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: shrumpage
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...l-disaster-experience/

Barack Obama defended his experience in dealing with natural disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina, and took a swipe at newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

In an interview on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 Monday night, Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin?s executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

?My understanding is that Gov. Palin?s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year ? we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,? Obama responded.

Our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the past couple of years and certainly in terms of the legislation I?ve passed in the past couple of years, post-Katrina.?

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Link? Sort of weak by Obama if accurate, as he's using the straw man of her time as mayor instead of her time as governor in the comparison.

I see it as a somewhat valid comparison because they ask McCain about her experience and he says she has been in elected office for longer than Obama, even being as absurd as to use "PTA" in her list of experience, and then she claims to have "13 years" of experience in elected office. So if only 1.5 years of that time is as governor, it is fair to attack the majority of those years of experience because it is bullshit even trying to include being the mayor of a town of a few thousand. It is like if I was a lawyer for ten years, graduated from Harvard, and I put down on my resume the public high school I graduated from. It has no bearing on the job I'm going for.

 

[BeauJangles]

It's "experience."

Come on now, spelling really isn't that hard.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: shrumpage
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...l-disaster-experience/

Barack Obama defended his experience in dealing with natural disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina, and took a swipe at newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

In an interview on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 Monday night, Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin?s executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

?My understanding is that Gov. Palin?s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year ? we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,? Obama responded.

Our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the past couple of years and certainly in terms of the legislation I?ve passed in the past couple of years, post-Katrina.?

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Link? Sort of weak by Obama if accurate, as he's using the straw man of her time as mayor instead of her time as governor in the comparison.

I see it as a somewhat valid comparison because they ask McCain about her experience and he says she has been in elected office for longer than Obama, even being as absurd as to use "PTA" in her list of experience, and then she claims to have "13 years" of experience in elected office. So if only 1.5 years of that time is as governor, it is fair to attack the majority of those years of experience because it is bullshit even trying to include being the mayor of a town of a few thousand. It is like if I was a lawyer for ten years, graduated from Harvard, and I put down on my resume the public high school I graduated from. It has no bearing on the job I'm going for.

It's two differnet issues though - Obama can attack the length of time issue by pointing what you did, but comparing his campaign to her time as mayor is a straw man IMO.

I think he's better off using other answers, such as how 'experience' is only important for there to be some basic experience, but a ton of experience doesn't guarantee much.

JFK had no 'executive experience' (but for captaining a PT boat), while bad presidents have had a ton (Grant, for example, and GWB is somewhat similar to Palin).

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: shrumpage
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...l-disaster-experience/

Barack Obama defended his experience in dealing with natural disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina, and took a swipe at newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

In an interview on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 Monday night, Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin?s executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

?My understanding is that Gov. Palin?s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year ? we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,? Obama responded.

Our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the past couple of years and certainly in terms of the legislation I?ve passed in the past couple of years, post-Katrina.?

Mispronouncing Wassilla as Wassilly could have been accidental, but it does come off as immature particularly for a presidential candidate.

Highlighting your ability to manage your own campaign vs. your opponent's running mate ability to run a small town - just sounds very weak, especially when she is currently running a state.


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So, she's a governor and he refuses to acknowledge that? Why is speaking of the town's budget instead of the state's?

Otherwise, this is priceless; Obama is having to defend/compare himself against the Repub VP?

I think it a tacit acknowledgement of McCain experience, and highlights questions about Obama's.

When you're busy defending/comparing your *first string team* against the opponent's *second string team*, you're way off your intended talking points. The comparison invariably drags Obama down. And McCain is pretty much getting a free pass.

Fern

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Farang
I see it as a somewhat valid comparison because they ask McCain about her experience and he says she has been in elected office for longer than Obama, even being as absurd as to use "PTA" in her list of experience, and then she claims to have "13 years" of experience in elected office. So if only 1.5 years of that time is as governor, it is fair to attack the majority of those years of experience because it is bullshit even trying to include being the mayor of a town of a few thousand. It is like if I was a lawyer for ten years, graduated from Harvard, and I put down on my resume the public high school I graduated from. It has no bearing on the job I'm going for.

She was elected mayor the same year Obama was elected to the Illinois state senate.

Prior to that she was on the city council for 4 years. That is before we even throw in the all important PTA experience.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: shrumpage
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...l-disaster-experience/

Barack Obama defended his experience in dealing with natural disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina, and took a swipe at newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

In an interview on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 Monday night, Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin?s executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

?My understanding is that Gov. Palin?s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year ? we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,? Obama responded.

Our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the past couple of years and certainly in terms of the legislation I?ve passed in the past couple of years, post-Katrina.?

Mispronouncing Wassilla as Wassilly could have been accidental, but it does come off as immature particularly for a presidential candidate.

Highlighting your ability to manage your own campaign vs. your opponent's running mate ability to run a small town - just sounds very weak, especially when she is currently running a state.


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So, she's a governor and he refuses to acknowledge that? Why is speaking of the town's budget instead of the state's?

Otherwise, this is priceless; Obama is having to defend/compare himself against the Repub VP?

I think it a tacit acknowledgement of McCain experience, and highlights questions about Obama's.

When you're busy defending/comparing your *first string team* against the opponent's *second string team*, you're way off your intended talking points. The comparison invariably drags Obama down. And McCain is pretty much getting a free pass.

Fern

It is perplexing he would go after the VP instead of sicking Biden on her. Bad move by him. Playing right into the hands of the Repubs imo. Now he is on record comparing his own credentials with a 2 year state gov running as a VP.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
And Barack was vetted and voted into his position, not chosen by McSame to be one heartbeat away from the Presidency. The people put Barack where he is today. The people are the ones running Palin through the ringer right now.

You're right, the party elite selected and are very comfortable with Obama.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Farang
I see it as a somewhat valid comparison because they ask McCain about her experience and he says she has been in elected office for longer than Obama, even being as absurd as to use "PTA" in her list of experience, and then she claims to have "13 years" of experience in elected office. So if only 1.5 years of that time is as governor, it is fair to attack the majority of those years of experience because it is bullshit even trying to include being the mayor of a town of a few thousand. It is like if I was a lawyer for ten years, graduated from Harvard, and I put down on my resume the public high school I graduated from. It has no bearing on the job I'm going for.

She was elected mayor the same year Obama was elected to the Illinois state senate.

Prior to that she was on the city council for 4 years. That is before we even throw in the all important PTA experience.

I guess it is just a matter of opinion but I regard the Illinois state senate as a higher office than mayor of Wasilla and the U.S. Senate a higher office than Governor (at least of one of the smaller states like Alaska). And I don't completely discount the fact that, as a man running for an office whose power comes primarily from the bully pulpit, he has built one of the most effective and richest political machines in history. I think one way to find the truth is to see who is spinning more--and McCain's "PTA" reference and Alaska being"certainly one of the largest" states show frankly a pathetic attempt to excuse this pander.

The fact is Obama got himself nominated despite his limited experience, whatever reason you want to give but I think everyone can accept superior political organization and planning played a role. Palin was selected over much more qualified candidates in a pure pandering move. So even if you want to dispute my assertion that Obama is more experienced, he certainly has more of a right to be there than she does.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Genx87
It is perplexing he would go after the VP instead of sicking Biden on her. Bad move by him. Playing right into the hands of the Repubs imo. Now he is on record comparing his own credentials with a 2 year state gov running as a VP.

He was responding to a question making the comparison, so it's not really perplexing. Maybe he could have given a non-answer, but he answered the question. But he didn't on his own stand up at a rally and compare himself with the republican VP, that would have been perplexing.

TRANSCRIPT?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2dSdWjp-jc&e

COOPER: And, Senator Obama, my final question -- your -- some of your Republican critics have said you don't have the experience to handle a situation like this. They in fact have said that Governor Palin has more executive experience, as mayor of a small town and as governor of a big state of Alaska.

What's your response?

OBAMA: Well, you know, my understanding is, is that Governor Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We have got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year.
You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month.

So, I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute, I think, has been made clear over the last couple of years. And, certainly, in terms of the legislation that I passed just dealing with this issue post-Katrina of how we handle emergency management, the fact that many of my recommendations were adopted and are being put in place as we speak, I think, indicates the degree to which we can provide the
kinds of support and good service that the American people expect.

I take exception to Anderson calling Alaska a "big state". What do you think is more difficult to govern, Nebraska or New York? Geographic size is not relevant. Alaska has fewer people than Delaware or Rhode Island.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Farang


The fact is Obama got himself nominated despite his limited experience, whatever reason you want to give but I think everyone can accept superior political organization and planning played a role. Palin was selected over much more qualified candidates in a pure pandering move. So even if you want to dispute my assertion that Obama is more experienced, he certainly has more of a right to be there than she does.

Where is "there"? The Presidential nomination, or the Vice Presidential nomination? Why do people continue to compare Obama to Palin rather than to McCain?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Farang


The fact is Obama got himself nominated despite his limited experience, whatever reason you want to give but I think everyone can accept superior political organization and planning played a role. Palin was selected over much more qualified candidates in a pure pandering move. So even if you want to dispute my assertion that Obama is more experienced, he certainly has more of a right to be there than she does.

Where is "there"? The Presidential nomination, or the Vice Presidential nomination? Why do people continue to compare Obama to Palin rather than to McCain?

"There" is on the national presidential ticket. The excuse that 'she is just the VP' doesn't work because McCain has the highest probability of dying in office than any other president in history, and in this decision we need to consider the chance that she may become president.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: shrumpage
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...l-disaster-experience/

Barack Obama defended his experience in dealing with natural disasters, such as Hurricane Katrina, and took a swipe at newly minted GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

In an interview on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 Monday night, Obama was asked about whether his experience in the U.S. Senate dealing with weather-related situations compares to Palin?s executive experience running the state of Alaska and as the small town mayor of Wasilla, Alaska.

?My understanding is that Gov. Palin?s town, Wassilla, has I think 50 employees. We've got 2500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe 12 million dollars a year ? we have a budget of about three times that just for the month,? Obama responded.

Our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the past couple of years and certainly in terms of the legislation I?ve passed in the past couple of years, post-Katrina.?

Mispronouncing Wassilla as Wassilly could have been accidental, but it does come off as immature particularly for a presidential candidate.

Highlighting your ability to manage your own campaign vs. your opponent's running mate ability to run a small town - just sounds very weak, especially when she is currently running a state.


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So, she's a governor and he refuses to acknowledge that? Why is speaking of the town's budget instead of the state's?

Otherwise, this is priceless; Obama is having to defend/compare himself against the Repub VP?

I think it a tacit acknowledgement of McCain experience, and highlights questions about Obama's.

When you're busy defending/comparing your *first string team* against the opponent's *second string team*, you're way off your intended talking points. The comparison invariably drags Obama down. And McCain is pretty much getting a free pass.

Fern

You, of course, are referring to Prickly McHeats experience is pandering and flip-floping on Immigration Reform, the Confederate Flag, Gun Control, Housing Relief, The Estate Tax, Illegal Wiretaps, Offshore drilling, Guantanamo, Social Security Privatization and the Minimum Wage.

Then, of course, you could be speaking of the vast experience of Prickly McHeats Tax Plan, which would increase federal debt at a rate faster than that of George W. Bush.

Oh. I guess I forgot. Prickly McHeat is 72 years old and was a POW. I take it all back.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Farang
And I don't completely discount the fact that, as a man running for an office whose power comes primarily from the bully pulpit, he has built one of the most effective and richest political machines in history.

You realize that prior to Obama Bush had built the most effective and richest political machine in history.

And we all see how well that turned out.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Farang

"There" is on the national presidential ticket. The excuse that 'she is just the VP' doesn't work because McCain has the highest probability of dying in office than any other president in history, and in this decision we need to consider the chance that she may become president.

What, pray tell, is that probability? And other elected Presidents?

Do people look at the "probability of dying in office" factor when electing their Senators?

Obama's campaign is lowered significantly by allowing the continued comparison of him to Palin, imho.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Farang
And I don't completely discount the fact that, as a man running for an office whose power comes primarily from the bully pulpit, he has built one of the most effective and richest political machines in history.

You realize that prior to Obama Bush had built the most effective and richest political machine in history.

And we all see how well that turned out.

Yes, he got elected twice. :thumbsup:

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Farang
And I don't completely discount the fact that, as a man running for an office whose power comes primarily from the bully pulpit, he has built one of the most effective and richest political machines in history.

You realize that prior to Obama Bush had built the most effective and richest political machine in history.

And we all see how well that turned out.

How about "most broadly funded" political machine in history.. which I think does make quite a difference in the comparison.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Farang

"There" is on the national presidential ticket. The excuse that 'she is just the VP' doesn't work because McCain has the highest probability of dying in office than any other president in history, and in this decision we need to consider the chance that she may become president.

What, pray tell, is that probability? And other elected Presidents?

Do people look at the "probability of dying in office" factor when electing their Senators?

Obama's campaign is lowered significantly by allowing the continued comparison of him to Palin, imho.

There are no vice senators, and yes elected Presidents. He is the oldest and a cancer survivor, I suppose you could dispute it with fatties like Taft but we can settle on "more likely than most" and see that the VP pick is someone who needs to be able to take over.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Farang
And I don't completely discount the fact that, as a man running for an office whose power comes primarily from the bully pulpit, he has built one of the most effective and richest political machines in history.

You realize that prior to Obama Bush had built the most effective and richest political machine in history.

And we all see how well that turned out.

Yes, he got elected twice. :thumbsup:

Huh. Listening to the left, Bush was "appointed" by the Supreme Court. Please help remind them that he was, indeed, elected.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Farang

"There" is on the national presidential ticket. The excuse that 'she is just the VP' doesn't work because McCain has the highest probability of dying in office than any other president in history, and in this decision we need to consider the chance that she may become president.

What, pray tell, is that probability? And other elected Presidents?

Do people look at the "probability of dying in office" factor when electing their Senators?

Obama's campaign is lowered significantly by allowing the continued comparison of him to Palin, imho.

There are no vice senators, and yes elected Presidents. He is the oldest and a cancer survivor, I suppose you could dispute it with fatties like Taft but we can settle on "more likely than most" and see that the VP pick is someone who needs to be able to take over.

So, are you saying you don't care if a Senator-elect is on death's door? Very odd. I'd prefer to elect someone that I feel has a good chance of serving his or her term, *especially* considering there's no "Plan B".

Considering that the average human life span has increased quite a bit over the history of the US, you can't take just the age of a candidate into question.