Exactly how skilled is your job?

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Kadarin

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If the aptitude and desire is there, about a few months to be reasonably productive, with a couple of years to get decently good. If either the aptitude or desire is not present, then no amount of time will help.
 

Dirigible

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I've trained people to do my job (part of my job is training others). It takes more than 2 years before they do stuff without screwing up, but less than 5, and that's with them beginning with some relevant experience. I voted 2 years, but now that I think about it, it's closer to 5.
 

manlymatt83

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Originally posted by: uclaLabrat
I could train someone with a four year chem degree to not kill themselves within a week. I can train them to be productive in a year. I'm still working on being good. I'll get there eventually.


What do you do?
 

91TTZ

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Jan 31, 2005
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Originally posted by: iRONic
Originally posted by: Delita
I think its funny that people think they other people can't be trained to do their job.
Care to troubleshoot why a twin turbine helicopter won't get 100% Nr?

Please let us know, since you're obviously the only person on Earth that can work on such an aircraft.
 

mattocs

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It depends. He can be intelligent and all, but he has to think a certain way. I would say about a month.
 

apac

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Systems software engineer, I dunno no less than 2 years for certain. Maybe 6 months to get basic coding/language skills, but embedded systems/OS/memory management/network programming skills just take a long time to hone. Software design is even a level above those. lAnyone else care to comment?
 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: apac
Systems software engineer, I dunno no less than 2 years for certain. Maybe 6 months to get basic coding/language skills, but embedded systems/OS/memory management/network programming skills just take a long time to hone. Software design is even a level above those. lAnyone else care to comment?

Why, do you think there are other software engineers on ATOT???

;)

MotionMan
 

apac

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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: apac
Systems software engineer, I dunno no less than 2 years for certain. Maybe 6 months to get basic coding/language skills, but embedded systems/OS/memory management/network programming skills just take a long time to hone. Software design is even a level above those. lAnyone else care to comment?

Why, do you think there are other software engineers on ATOT???

;)

MotionMan

Hell, I'm sure there are much better software engineers than I on ATOT, probably those that rarely see the sun.
 

m1ldslide1

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Networks engineer. I said two years, and that would be a very dedicated and pretty much brilliant individual. Realistically it takes most savvy people 5 years to be a talented LAN/WAN network admin / design, and then additional years for specializations like security or voice.
 

Dedpuhl

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The person would have to be able to pick up statics, strength of materials, fluid dynamics, hydraulics of open channels, groundwater, and all the other goodies to be a Professional Civil Engineer in Water Resources.

I couldn't teach the person what I know cause I suck at explaining things.
 

bctbct

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It would probably take about ten years experience to have the broad knowledge of my field, and several years making decisions to do my job effectively. I am still one fuck up away from getting fired though. :)
 

Tetsuo

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I wouldn't say it would take a long time to master what I do. Things just get speedier as the years go by
 

skyking

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The day job, a couple of years to come across enough scenarios in the field. You really can't manufacture them, they need to "happen".
The consulting stuff? I dunno how i learned it in the first place:p
 

vi edit

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Oct 28, 1999
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My job is more of an ever-growing set of skills and experience than it is any defined responsibilities and abilities. On the surface my job is nothing more than helping with system installs and supporting them after they come online. It wouldn't take more than a few weeks to train somebody reasonably intelligent with a "tech" background to support the applications that I am responsible for.

The difficult part of the job is the relationship building with different departments, corporate resources, and various directors at the facilities. That's something 18 months into the game that I have yet to really master. Understanding the politics and innerworkings of healthcare system that is 12,000+ employees spread over 450 miles makes for one heck of a challenge.

If you know the right people you can have something fixed in minutes. If you don't, it could take weeks. That's the difference between being able to do a job, and do it well. And it's not something that is able to be "learned" quickly or easily.
 
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Current job, maybe an hour. Future career, you either have it or you don't, but it'll take a minimum of 4-6 years just to get the knowledge and degrees required.
 

Jeff7

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One sentence: Just do what the supervisor asks you to do, which is not much.


That's about it.
I'm a work study student at the campus' Media Center. The supervisor gives me special projects (just like I'd get at Walmart) that he needs done without constantly having to make sure that I'm not screwing around. Usually these tasks are simple things like drilling holes in PC podiums to add locks, or removing hardware from old podiums, zip-tying cable bundles, or replacing batteries in remotes. Really, none of it is that tough, but I'm usually the one who gets such jobs. Other tasks include delivering copy jobs around campus, or providing tech support at presentations around campus. I do get to meet some people, too. Notably was Lisa Ling, formerly of The View, but then on to slightly more intelligent things, like National Geographic. Soledad O'Brien will be on campus later in the year, and Steve Irwin Lite (Jeff Corwin) will be on campus, I think next week. He'll at least be bringing animals with him, so it might actually be interesting.

But really, the job isn't all that difficult, and is by far the easiest job I've ever had.
 

Felisity

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Current job, maybe an hour. Future career, you either have it or you don't, but it'll take a minimum of 4-6 years just to get the knowledge and degrees required.

What are you studying ? :)
 
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Originally posted by: Kaelyn
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Current job, maybe an hour. Future career, you either have it or you don't, but it'll take a minimum of 4-6 years just to get the knowledge and degrees required.

What are you studying ? :)

Secondary Ed.
 

jandrews

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lol everyone here is indespensible apparently but obviously that is not the case when people are fired on atot seemingly on a weekly basis.
 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: jandrews
lol everyone here is indespensible apparently but obviously that is not the case when people are fired on atot seemingly on a weekly basis.

There are THOUSANDS of people who can, and do, perform my job. I am nothing special in that regard. However, it does take years to be trained to do my job. The OP was basically about how long it would take to be trained from level zero.

Most of the jobs people on ATOT have take years to be proficient at. People get fired because a) management does not realize what the job really entails or do not care about the drop of in skill level of the replacement, b) there are lots of people who have been trained in exactly the same profession, c) the person does something stupid or d) for other reasons that are not all that important to the conversation.

MotionMan
 

uclaLabrat

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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: uclaLabrat
I could train someone with a four year chem degree to not kill themselves within a week. I can train them to be productive in a year. I'm still working on being good. I'll get there eventually.


What do you do?

I make molecules and teach undergrads. I'm a grad student. Maybe the molecules will help fight cancer. Maybe they'll be an antibiotic. Most likely, they'll sit in a fridge and fall apart :-D
 
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Maybe 5 to 10 years to pick up all the relevant experience. The person would need to understand how to communicate effectively and learn at least the basics of mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, motion and control systems, A/V systems, and software design and development as well as understand how all of those systems can interrelate in the overall scope of the design/build process.