Ex-Wife Gives Alibi for JonBenet Suspect

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Ex-Wife Gives Alibi for JonBenet Suspect
By ALISA TANG, Associated Press Writer
1 hour ago

BANGKOK, Thailand - A former American school teacher said publicly Thursday that he was with JonBenet Ramsey when she died in what he called "an accident," a stunning admission after a decade without answers in the 6-year-old girl's murder. But the suspect's ex-wife said she was with him in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's 1996 death.

John Mark Karr, 41, will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told a news conference in Bangkok.

"I was with JonBenet when she died," Karr told reporters afterward, visibly nervous and stuttering. "Her death was an accident."

Asked if he was innocent of the crime, Karr said: "No."

No evidence against Karr has been made public beyond his own admission. U.S. and Thai officials did not directly answer a question at the news conference Thursday about whether there was DNA evidence connecting him to the crime.

Lin Wood, the Ramsey family's longtime attorney in Atlanta, said that Karr had sent numerous e-mails in recent months making statements about the murder to a professor at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

Wood said those e-mails were key in linking Karr to the slaying. When asked if authorities could tell whether Karr had firsthand knowledge of the murder or had just picked up information from news accounts, Wood said; "There is information about the murder that has never been publicly disclosed."

Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing, and that she does not believe he was involved in the homicide.

Lara Karr said her ex-husband spent a lot of time studying the cases of Ramsey and Polly Klaas, who was abducted from her Petaluma, Calif., home and slain in 1993.

As he was escorted to his guesthouse to pick up his belongings, John Mark Karr told the AP: "I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet. It's very important for me that everyone knows that I love her very much, that her death was unintentional, that it was an accident."

Asked what happened when JonBenet died, he said: "It would take several hours to describe that. It's a very involved series of events that would involve a lot of time. It's very painful for me to talk about it."

He told the AP he made "several efforts to communicate with Patricia before she passed away," referring to JonBenet's mother, "and it is my understanding that she did read my letters."

Wood said that Karr had tried to correspond with Patsy Ramsey in the months before the woman's death from ovarian cancer. Wood said Ramsey did not reply, but handed that information over to investigators who used it to link Karr to the case.

Wood said he did not know the contents of the correspondence, which he said was in the form of e-mails or letters.

Karr on Thursday refused to say what his connection was to the Ramsey family. An attorney for the Ramsey family said Wednesday that Karr once lived near the family in Conyers, Ga.

Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand's immigration police, said Karr confessed to the killing after his arrest by Thai and U.S. authorities Wednesday at his downtown Bangkok guesthouse.

Suwat said Karr insisted that JonBenet died during a kidnapping attempt that went awry.

"He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional," Suwat said. "He said he loved this child, that he was in love with her. He said she was very pretty, a pageant queen. She was the school star, she was very cute and sweet."

Suwat quoted Karr as saying he tried to kidnap JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom but that his plan went awry and he strangled her.

JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the family's home in Boulder, Colo., on Dec. 26, 1996.

Patsy Ramsey reported finding a ransom note in the house demanding $118,000 for her daughter.

Images of the blonde girl competing in child beauty pageants helped propel the case into one of the highest-profile mysteries in the United States.

DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear, but Wood said two years ago that detectives were unable to match it to anyone in an FBI database.

Wood said Karr went to elaborate attempts to conceal his identity in e-mails to the university professor, going so far as to use a computer server in Canada.

A University of Colorado spokesman, Barrie Hartman, said journalism professor Michael Tracey communicated with Karr over several months and contacted police. The university spokesman said he didn't know what prompted Tracey to become suspicious of Karr.

Tracey produced a documentary in 2004 called "Who Killed JonBenet?" A woman who answered the phone at a number under his name said he didn't live there anymore; his office phone mailbox was full.

Investigators said at one point that JonBenet's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion" in the slaying, and some news accounts cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother, Burke. But the Ramseys insisted an intruder killed their daughter, and no one was ever charged.

Over the years, some experts suggested that investigators had botched the case so thoroughly that it might never be solved. The Ramseys moved back to Atlanta after their daughter's slaying.

"It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," Wood said.

"John and Patsy lived their lives knowing they were innocent, trying to raise a son despite the furor around them," he told MSNBC.

The Ramseys learned that police were investigating Karr at least a month before Patsy Ramsey's death, the family said.

In a statement Wednesday, John Ramsey said that if his wife had lived to see Karr's arrest, she "would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder."

Bob Raines, principal at Wilson Elementary School outside Petaluma, said he twice hired Karr as a substitute in second- and fourth-grade classes in 2001. After observing him, Raines said he concluded Karr hadn't been trained, had poor skills keeping classes focused and was ineffective.

A couple months later, Sonoma County sheriff's officials sent a letter to school officials saying Karr had been arrested, said Carl Wong, the Sonoma County superintendent of schools.

Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the child pornography charges and arrest warrant against a John Mark Karr, though she cautioned that she didn't know if he was the same person held Bangkok. State records show Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002.

In Bangkok, police said Karr had been living in a dormitory-style guesthouse called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and sex tourists.

Suwat said U.S. authorities informed Thai police on Aug. 11 that an arrest warrant had been issued for Karr on charges of premeditated murder. The warrant was sent to Thai police on Wednesday.

"Through investigation we were able to determine where his residence was and the Thais arrested him," Hurst said. "He did not resist. He did express surprise."

Hurst said Karr has been "very cooperative" with authorities and that he's shown a "variety of emotions."

Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he had gotten a job, the police officer said.

Karr's visa has been revoked for being an "undesirable person" after the accusations against him, and U.S. authorities were expected to take him to the United States in the next few days, Suwat said.

Karr lost any legal protection in Thailand after the revocation, leaving Thai authorities free to hand him over to the U.S.

Hurst, with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Bangkok, said that Karr had left the United States several years ago and had not returned.

 

skyking

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Maybe. But they have the guy and can test his DNA against the samples from the crime scene.
 

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His brother has more
Karr's brother, Nate Karr, told Fox News his brother moved to Alabama to live with his grandparents when he was about 12 and lived there until moving to California in approximately 2001 with his wife and three sons.

To the best of his knowledge, Nate Karr said, his brother has never lived in or been to Boulder. He also said John Karr didn't know the Ramsey family.

Nate Karr suspects his brother raised suspicion among law enforcement because he was researching a book about men who commit sex crimes against young girls, including JonBenet.
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: Queasy
His brother has more
Karr's brother, Nate Karr, told Fox News his brother moved to Alabama to live with his grandparents when he was about 12 and lived there until moving to California in approximately 2001 with his wife and three sons.

To the best of his knowledge, Nate Karr said, his brother has never lived in or been to Boulder. He also said John Karr didn't know the Ramsey family.

Nate Karr suspects his brother raised suspicion among law enforcement because he was researching a book about men who commit sex crimes against young girls, including JonBenet.

That's unfortunate. Back to a very slow boring day in the news. :p
 
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My feeling at this point is that John Karr is a really creepy guy, but probably didn't kill JonBenet Ramsey. He may in fact believe he did, and he is in any case clearly obsessed with the case, but the whole thing doesn't really ring true to me.
 

Brutuskend

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After looking at pictures of the guy I suspect he's sick and possibly dieing (AIDS?) which leads me to suspect "Someone" is paying him to take the fall and that he was told details of the case he couldn't know by the real killer.

Just a hunch on my part.
 

AnyMal

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It's an an alibi until it's verified. Don't you think that police checked his whereabouts at the time of murder?
 

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Originally posted by: AnyMal
It's an an alibi until it's verified. Don't you think that police checked his whereabouts at the time of murder?

In all honesty, the police haven't shown much to be confident about during the whole Ramsey investigation....
 

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Um. She's dead, right? She's not coming back, right?

Okay, just checking. It's been ten freaking years people. I couldn't drive a car when she was killed. Get over it.
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Um. She's dead, right? She's not coming back, right?

Okay, just checking. It's been ten freaking years people. I couldn't drive a car when she was killed. Get over it.

So...if someone murdered your sister/mother/brother/father and a suspect wasn't arrested until 10 years later, you would just say "It's been ten freaking years. Just let him go."

?
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Um. She's dead, right? She's not coming back, right?

Okay, just checking. It's been ten freaking years people. I couldn't drive a car when she was killed. Get over it.

So...if someone murdered your sister/mother/brother/father and a suspect wasn't arrested until 10 years later, you would just say "It's been ten freaking years. Just let him go."

?


Someone explain to me why this specific murder is soo significant? People get murdered everyday and most of the time, it doesnt hit the nws for even a day. It's always a horrible situation, but why in hell are we soo interested of this after 10 years?
 

AnyMal

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: AnyMal
It's an an alibi until it's verified. Don't you think that police checked his whereabouts at the time of murder?

In all honesty, the police haven't shown much to be confident about during the whole Ramsey investigation....

I don't disagree. I just think that it would be utterly stupid for Boulder PD to go through charging and extradition proceedings without verifiying all the basic info.
 

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Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Um. She's dead, right? She's not coming back, right?

Okay, just checking. It's been ten freaking years people. I couldn't drive a car when she was killed. Get over it.

So...if someone murdered your sister/mother/brother/father and a suspect wasn't arrested until 10 years later, you would just say "It's been ten freaking years. Just let him go."

?


Someone explain to me why this specific murder is soo significant? People get murdered everyday and most of the time, it doesnt hit the nws for even a day. It's always a horrible situation, but why in hell are we soo interested of this after 10 years?

Missing white girl syndrome.

Actually, wasn't this case the start of the media's fascination with missing white women?
 

Baked

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I'm so sick and tire of this story. We all know somebody living in the house killed the child, but were rich enough to pay off the DA and police so they can go scott free. What's next, OJ finding the real killer of his wife? :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Um. She's dead, right? She's not coming back, right?

Okay, just checking. It's been ten freaking years people. I couldn't drive a car when she was killed. Get over it.

Ummmm... there is no statute of limitation for murder. If it was your loved one you'd sing a different tune :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Um. She's dead, right? She's not coming back, right?

Okay, just checking. It's been ten freaking years people. I couldn't drive a car when she was killed. Get over it.

you are a fvcking idiot. while i get tired of hearing the crap about mising girls (as other said usually white pretty rich girls at that). but hearing that they caught someone who is admiting to the murders is news.

pitty it really does not sound like the guy did it.
 

z0mb13

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Um. She's dead, right? She's not coming back, right?

Okay, just checking. It's been ten freaking years people. I couldn't drive a car when she was killed. Get over it.

So...if someone murdered your sister/mother/brother/father and a suspect wasn't arrested until 10 years later, you would just say "It's been ten freaking years. Just let him go."

?


Someone explain to me why this specific murder is soo significant? People get murdered everyday and most of the time, it doesnt hit the nws for even a day. It's always a horrible situation, but why in hell are we soo interested of this after 10 years?

Missing white girl syndrome.

Actually, wasn't this case the start of the media's fascination with missing white women?

its because of that video
 

daveymark

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: krunchykrome
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Um. She's dead, right? She's not coming back, right?

Okay, just checking. It's been ten freaking years people. I couldn't drive a car when she was killed. Get over it.

So...if someone murdered your sister/mother/brother/father and a suspect wasn't arrested until 10 years later, you would just say "It's been ten freaking years. Just let him go."

?


Someone explain to me why this specific murder is soo significant? People get murdered everyday and most of the time, it doesnt hit the nws for even a day. It's always a horrible situation, but why in hell are we soo interested of this after 10 years?

Missing white girl syndrome.

Actually, wasn't this case the start of the media's fascination with missing white women?

its because of that video

the sicko made a video? ugh.
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
After looking at pictures of the guy I suspect he's sick and possibly dieing (AIDS?) which leads me to suspect "Someone" is paying him to take the fall and that he was told details of the case he couldn't know by the real killer.

Just a hunch on my part.

i with you brutuskend.

my other theory is that one of the parents did kill her but maybe it was an accident but they made it look like a kidnapping/murder so they wouldn't get in trouble.

the whole thing about he loved the 6-year-old beauty queen "very much" and is "very sorry for what happened" sounds like something he was told to say, almost like the parents admitting guilt.
 

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John Mark Karr, 41, will be taken within the week to Colorado

Maybe he's just trying to get a free plain ride back to the states. International flights can get expensive afterall. Possible Hot Deal of the year.:gift:
 
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Originally posted by: Brutuskend
After looking at pictures of the guy I suspect he's sick and possibly dieing (AIDS?) which leads me to suspect "Someone" is paying him to take the fall and that he was told details of the case he couldn't know by the real killer.

Just a hunch on my part.

Certainly one possibility. He is clearly not well - I was a little shocked by his photos - and it wouldn't be hugely surprising if a sex tourist to SE Asia came down with AIDS.

Pic 1

Pic 2

In addition to the alibi, he apparently claims he drugged JBR before raping and killing her, but the tox-screen done as part of her autopsy found no drugs or alcohol in her system.