Ex-Fox News Host Gretchen Carlson Sues Roger Ailes For Sexual Harassment

[pcgeek11]

At this point you should just google for the difference between sexual assault and harassment. Christ, they're not even spelled the same.

OK, I still say ( using your terms if it makes you feel better ) you cannot make a legal binding clause in a contract that says it is OK for an employer to sexually harass an employee.

That clause would never work. You know that it wouldn't and are just being an ass.

 

[agent00f]

OK, I still say ( using your terms if it makes you feel better ) you cannot make a legal binding clause in a contract that says it is OK for an employer to sexually harass an employee.

That clause would never work. You know that it wouldn't and are just being an ass.

You're not understanding the original comment you replied to. It doesn't say the women can't sue, they'll just lose their job over it and possibly get hit with a countersuit depending on the situation.

The short of it is that they have to make the decision to go nuclear against some mega-corp, or bite their lip. Reducing that down to idealism is something a simpleton would do, which I don't recommend.

 

[HomerJS]

No, Not at all.

Why do You think that they were silent for years?

Do you think it was OK for them to remain silent so he could continue to assault other women?

Wow! So its the woman's fault for not coming forward sooner.

Anywhere in this thread do you place any blame on Ailes and the culture at Fox News?

 

[HomerJS]

Something isn't making any damn sense here. So...does Megyn, being the lawyer she is know some magic lawyer stuff to wiggle out of those so-called anti-disparaging clauses and grab Alies' pecans?

I have heard rumors Megyn changed her talent agent and might move to CNN or some shit. Perhaps she wants to exit with a big bang? Wouldn't make any sense with the RNC underway right now quite frankly.

I don't know. To me the media that is printing this stuff may be doing so in an effort to stroke the FoxNews hater's dicks. Feels good doesn't? Instead of looking down look up and see the face that strokes it for once.

As a VERY long term FoxNews viewer I can tell you I'v heard nothing but admiration for Alies. But of course when the cameras go off air and the last studio light goes out who knows what's going on. I'm sure New York window washers have their stories.

Here's some food for thought. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-roger-ailes-sexual-harassment-case-big-time/

Did it occur to you the media is printing this stuff because it is a story?

Actually the opposite is true. Fox News had covered sexual harassment stories in the past yet is silent on this on.

 

[Brainonska511]

I still say:

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty damn sure you cannot place a clause in a contract that is legally binding that says it is OK for the employer to sexually assault an employee. Or to break any other laws.

Sexual assault is a crime.

It sounds like you don't understand the chilling effects of arbitration provisions in employment disputes and the great enhancement it gives to corporations to trample people's rights. I highly suggest reading the NYT's 3 part series on them.

 

[Paratus]

It sounds like you don't understand the chilling effects of arbitration provisions in employment disputes and the great enhancement it gives to corporations to trample people's rights. I highly suggest reading the NYT's 3 part series on them.

It's like he doesn't understand how any of this worked. Even outside of business arbitration simply saying no to someone powerful in your field can basically ruin your career.

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Kellie Boyle, 54
Former Republican National Committee field adviser

This was back in 1989. I was 29 and living in New Jersey. My husband worked at CNBC and he said, "Roger Ailes is coming in to be interviewed — would you like to meet him?" I said yes! I’d worked in political communications for the Republican National Committee, so Roger Ailes was like a god. I’d read his book, You Are the Message, and I used it for a lot of training I did for candidates. I introduced myself in the green room, and he was very charming and said, "Would you like to visit my office downtown sometime?"

A week or two later I went in and mentioned to him I was going down to D.C. the following week to sign a major contract with the National Republican Congressional Committee. He said, "I’m going to be in D.C. too. Would you like to have dinner before you go in?" So we had a nice dinner at a restaurant in Union Station. There was nothing untoward about it at all. He had a driver and a car, and after dinner he said, "Can I take you to your friend’s?" So we get in the car and that’s when he said, "You know if you want to play with the big boys, you have to lay with the big boys." I was so taken aback. I said, "Gosh, I didn’t know that. How would that work?" I was trying to kill time because I didn’t know if he was going to attack me. I was just talking until I could get out of the car. He said, "That’s the way it works," and he started naming other women he’d had. He said that’s how all these men in media and politics work — everyone’s got their friend. I said, "Would I have to be friends with anybody else?" And he said, "Well, you might have to give a blow job every once in a while." I told him I was going to have to think about this. He said, "No, if you don’t do it now, you know that means you won’t."

The next morning I show up to get my assignment and was told the guy I was supposed to be meeting with was unavailable. Back in New Jersey, I got a call from Roger Ailes. He said, "How’d your meeting go?" I said, "Actually, he wasn’t available and I’m hoping to hear back from him." He said, "Ah, well, I’m sure you will. Have you changed your mind yet?" I said, "I’ll have to pass, Roger. I’m married and really committed to my husband. No offense." He said, "Well, we’ll be in touch." And that was that. A couple weeks later, I called a friend who was very high up in the RNC and I asked him what happened. He said, "Word went out you weren’t to be hired."

So do you stay quiet and try to recover your career or go up against somebody more well known, with better lawyers, more money and access to the press possibly losing and ruining your life and family for years?

Not an easy question to ask so I wouldn't be blaming someone for remaining quiet.

(When women complain about rape culture here's another example. Say no and your blacklisted)

Carlson was rich enough, well known enough, and had excellent lawyers of her own to go after Ailes. She also probably knew others who'd had similar experiences with him. With the whole Cosby thing she knew it was likely they would come forward. That coupled with the brilliant idea of specifically targeting Ailes instead of Fox meant the risk/reward of suing him was favorable.

So Ailes loses his job, gets 10's of millions of dollars severance that he's going to lose to court fees and likely judgements against him and Carlson gets justice/revenge.

 

[pcgeek11]

You're not understanding the original comment you replied to. It doesn't say the women can't sue, they'll just lose their job over it and possibly get hit with a countersuit depending on the situation.

The short of it is that they have to make the decision to go nuclear against some mega-corp, or bite their lip. Reducing that down to idealism is something a simpleton would do, which I don't recommend.

So you say they should just suck it up and enjoy the money.

OK then.

 

[pcgeek11]

Wow! So its the woman's fault for not coming forward sooner.

Anywhere in this thread do you place any blame on Ailes and the culture at Fox News?

Read Post 102. And I will add that we Do Not Know for a fact that he did anything wrong. If he did he is a turd and should be held accountable.

Yes it is the women's fault IF something was actually going on years ago and they did nothing to stop it. Yes they do bear some of the blame for allowing it to continue and happen to others as well. I can't believe you cannot see this.

Lets say it was your wife and her boss harassed her, but paid her very well. Do you think she should out him and put a stop to it or suck it up and enjoy the money?

Sometimes you need to place morals ahead of money.

 

[pcgeek11]

It sounds like you don't understand the chilling effects of arbitration provisions in employment disputes and the great enhancement it gives to corporations to trample people's rights. I highly suggest reading the NYT's 3 part series on them.

A clause that allows sexual abuse or harassment is not legally binding in any way. If you think it is you are stupid.

 

[brycejones]

A clause that allows sexual abuse or harassment is not legally binding in any way. If you think it is you are stupid.

Are you missing how ironclad the SCOTUS has made forced arbitration clauses? BTW it isn't a clause that allows abuse or harassment, its a clause that controls how disputes will be addressed. The cause of those disputes is immaterial.

 

[Brainonska511]

A clause that allows sexual abuse or harassment is not legally binding in any way. If you think it is you are stupid.

It's not allowing anything. However, history of abuses does get covered up through arbitration and secrecy clauses. It also adds a barrier to seeking redress, as arbitration clauses are known to be quite unfair to employees and consumers.

Yes it is the women's fault IF something was actually going on years ago and they did nothing to stop it. Yes they do bear some of the blame for allowing it to continue and happen to others as well. I can't believe you cannot see this. Lets say it was your wife and her boss harassed her, but paid her very well. Do you think she should out him and put a stop to it or suck it up and enjoy the money? Sometimes you need to place morals ahead of money.

Employment-related disputes could quickly make you a persona non grata throughout your field, even if you have a legitimate complaint. You go after the wrong company or person and you'll be branded the troublemaker, not a team player, etc... Not everyone is in such secure financial positioning that they could take that hit because morals and principles don't put food on the table. Having a job does.

 

[pcgeek11]

Are you missing how ironclad the SCOTUS has made forced arbitration clauses? BTW it isn't a clause that allows abuse or harassment, its a clause that controls how disputes will be addressed. The cause of those disputes is immaterial.

It's not allowing anything. However, history of abuses does get covered up through arbitration and secrecy clauses. It also adds a barrier to seeking redress, as arbitration clauses are known to be quite unfair to employees and consumers.

And regardless, employment-related disputes could quickly make you a persona non grata throughout your field, even if you have a legitimate complaint. You go after the wrong company or person and you'll be branded the troublemaker, not a team player, etc...

Well I guess if you are stupid enough to sign something that allows this type of abuse then you are stupid enough to suck it up.

I guess you guys think the job and money was worth it. I feel sorry for your wives if they ever get into a situation like this.

 

[agent00f]

So you say they should just suck it up and enjoy the money.

OK then.

I'm saying it's not a matter of simple idealism as you made it out to be. Sometimes adults need to balance doing what's right vs. expedience.

For example, as you would put it rosa parks could just suck it up and avoid a confrontation. Or not when the circumstances permit.

 

[agent00f]

Well I guess if you are stupid enough to sign something that allows this type of abuse then you are stupid enough to suck it up.

I guess you guys think the job and money was worth it. I feel sorry for your wives if they ever get into a situation like this.

Acting an internet tough guy must command respect at your workplace.

 

[Brainonska511]

Well I guess if you are stupid enough to sign something that allows this type of abuse then you are stupid enough to suck it up.

Good luck participating in the economy without agreeing to those clauses. You act like the bargaining power is equal between the employer and employee or business and the consumer. I guess you could try to find another job, but good luck finding one when arbitration provisions are ubiquitous.

 

[brycejones]

Well I guess if you are stupid enough to sign something that allows this type of abuse then you are stupid enough to suck it up.

I guess you guys think the job and money was worth it. I feel sorry for your wives if they ever get into a situation like this.

LOL, I just explained what was legally involved since you didn't seem to get it. You're just throwing shit at the wall now.

BTW I'm all for banning forced arbitration clauses in employment agreements and business to consumer contracts and terms of service. Are you?

 

[Perknose]

Having just read through this last extended convo, all I can say is that pcgeek is both naieve and ignorant and really, really dense . . . so dense he simply doesn't see how fundamentally clueless he's coming across.

 

[theeedude]

wrong thread 🙂

 

[Paratus]

Read Post 102. And I will add that we Do Not Know for a fact that he did anything wrong. If he did he is a turd and should be held accountable.

Yes it is the women's fault IF something was actually going on years ago and they did nothing to stop it. Yes they do bear some of the blame for allowing it to continue and happen to others as well. I can't believe you cannot see this.

Lets say it was your wife and her boss harassed her, but paid her very well. Do you think she should out him and put a stop to it or suck it up and enjoy the money?

Sometimes you need to place morals ahead of money.

Instead of pretending it was your wife, let's pretend it was you with a stay at home wife and 2.5 kids. Your boss is well known in the field and tied into everyone in your city in your field and you've signed an arbitration clause when you hired in. In fact all jobs in the city in your field have arbitration clauses. Now your boss male or female sexually harasses you. Later you are passed over for promotion. What do you do?

Do you look for a new job? Well no one else is willing to hire you. Although one potential employer said they heard you weren't a team player.

Do you quit, tell your wife you were harassed and go to arbitration where only you and the company will know what's going on?

Do you try and sue in open court against someone with 1000x more legal resources than you. Of course you'll have to spend your family into bankruptcy to pay the legal fees?

Or do you stay silent and bear it to provide for your family as best as you can while doing the job you've always wanted but that now drains you because of your shitty boss?

 

[Jimzz]

Something isn't making any damn sense here. So...does Megyn, being the lawyer she is know some magic lawyer stuff to wiggle out of those so-called anti-disparaging clauses and grab Alies' pecans?

I have heard rumors Megyn changed her talent agent and might move to CNN or some shit. Perhaps she wants to exit with a big bang? Wouldn't make any sense with the RNC underway right now quite frankly.

I don't know. To me the media that is printing this stuff may be doing so in an effort to stroke the FoxNews hater's dicks. Feels good doesn't? Instead of looking down look up and see the face that strokes it for once.

As a VERY long term FoxNews viewer I can tell you I'v heard nothing but admiration for Alies. But of course when the cameras go off air and the last studio light goes out who knows what's going on. I'm sure New York window washers have their stories.

Here's some food for thought. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-roger-ailes-sexual-harassment-case-big-time/

She has not been public and also only answered to questions to Foxs own people. So that would not even come close to breaking the rules of her contract.
It has also been said she is telling others that have had the same experience to talk to the Fox investigators. So she knows this is their chance to speak up but not break any employee rules.

She probably knows this is the only chance she and others may have to speak up and not have Fox sue them to death. She knows where the line is and is being smart.

 

[HomerJS]

Read Post 102. And I will add that we Do Not Know for a fact that he did anything wrong. If he did he is a turd and should be held accountable.

Yes it is the women's fault IF something was actually going on years ago and they did nothing to stop it. Yes they do bear some of the blame for allowing it to continue and happen to others as well. I can't believe you cannot see this.

Lets say it was your wife and her boss harassed her, but paid her very well. Do you think she should out him and put a stop to it or suck it up and enjoy the money?

Sometimes you need to place morals ahead of money.

Let's just say women should not have to make the choice between paying the rent and putting up with a letch for a boss. But I guess that's ok at Fox News and with you. Imagine that, you place the morals dilemma on the woman!

 

[pcgeek11]

I'm saying it's not a matter of simple idealism as you made it out to be. Sometimes adults need to balance doing what's right vs. expedience.

For example, as you would put it rosa parks could just suck it up and avoid a confrontation. Or not when the circumstances permit.

It don't have anything to do with Rosa Parks for Gods sake. I am talking about this case where she claims she was harassed and from the description I've read in a rather abusive way. And she continued working for many years afterwards and continued to praise the abuser....

Acting an internet tough guy must command respect at your workplace.

I don't even know what you are trying to say here. If you are willing to allow this abuse it will continue to exist for yourself and others. If true that is what she chose to do.

Are the events as described true? I don't know and neither does anyone else on here.

 

[pcgeek11]

LOL, I just explained what was legally involved since you didn't seem to get it. You're just throwing shit at the wall now.

BTW I'm all for banning forced arbitration clauses in employment agreements and business to consumer contracts and terms of service. Are you?

Fine by me.

 

[Jaskalas]

...And she continued working for many years afterwards and continued to praise the abuser....

It's like you've never seen a beat dog.
Or an abused woman.

Moreover, it's like you've never seen the master / slave relation between boss and employee. Particularly one who, for all intents and purposes, owns your entire field of employment. What, you're going to get fired and go to college again while unemployed and supporting a family in a city where 100k is poverty?

It's not so much a question of it you want to be abused... but if you like food. Because in this world that is the ONLY way they are going to get any.

 

[pcgeek11]

Having just read through this last extended convo, all I can say is that pcgeek is both naieve and ignorant and really, really dense . . . so dense he simply doesn't see how fundamentally clueless he's coming across.

OK smart ass. What should she have done in this situation assuming all of her claims are true.

What she appears to have done is stay for the ride until she was released and then file a law suit.

Was this the right choice?

I say it was not. What is your opinion, please enlighten me?