ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

[shadow9d9]

Purpose can simply be the result of an object coming into existence; whether the specific purpose it is serving was intended, or not. In this way, may biological functions have purpose.

One of multiple purposes. There is no one "true" purpose.

 

[shadow9d9]

lol, it seems his ex gave him permission to access her baby maker.

Why is it only right for the woman to have a choice at the child?

Yeah, she carries it for nine months, but after that...it could be the same as a shmshmortion. I think you're a fool if you don't acknowledge male rights when it comes to pro-choice.

Their biology gives them the right. It is as simple as that.

 

[actuarial]

Yeah, she carries it for nine months, but after that...it could be the same as a shmshmortion. I think you're a fool if you don't acknowledge male rights when it comes to pro-choice.

She doesn't just 'carry it for nine months'. I love how you just gloss over labor as if it's no big deal, or hell even the pregnancy itself. There's a reason why most insurance companies won't issue life insurance when you're pregnant.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

1. A fetus is not a child, it's per biological definition, legal definition and common language not a child, you don't become a father when an egg is fertilised, you become a father when there is something to be a father OF, IE after birth.

2. Fathers rights need to be discussed, but as no one is a father until there is a child, abortion doesn't have anything to do with fatherhood.

3. Neckbeard is a fucked up Essex man, i'll make no more excuses for his retardedness.

 

[TheVrolok]

Objective reality simply exists. You can talk about causal factors which may have preceded something that exists, but calling it a "reason" for something's existence begins to obscure the distinction between objective fact and subjective projection. Furthermore, since objective reality is the purview of science, or at the very least a posteriori truth, nothing about it can be "absolute."

I think the "world" I live in is necessarily defined with simplified terms to get things done in a more realistic fashion; but it was nice to have solid philosophical insight from someone who obviously has knowledge on the subject. :thumbsup:

 

[TheWiseOne]

Why? A father can't force a mother to have an abortion, so why should a mother be able to have an abortion against the fathers wishes?

Even though its their fetus.....Ultimately its HER body.

(Note: I am perfectly fine with a mother refusing to have an abortion, but it should absolve the father of all financial responsibility toward the child if she chooses to continue carrying it against his wishes)

Some cheapskate fathers would claim to have not wanted the child just to get out of financial responsibility, if a man does not want the child he can simply not be present if thats the better thing to do but that child still needs to be fed, clothed, and sheltered....therefore paying up to help what he brought into this world is the least he can do I think

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Even though its their fetus.....Ultimately its HER body.



Some cheapskate fathers would claim to have not wanted the child just to get out of financial responsibility, if a man does not want the child he can simply not be present if thats the better thing to do but that child still needs to be fed, clothed, and sheltered....therefore paying up to help what he brought into this world is the least he can do I think

1. Aye, until fathers can agree to concieve the baby, this discussion is over.

2. It's not called mothers support, it's called childsupport for a reason.

3. We are not biologically identical, we make room for differences EVERYWHERE ELSE and this is where the biological differences are the greatest and now we should IGNORE THEM?

Fucking move to Saudi Arabia if you can't accept that women have a right to their own fucking body.

(sorry for piggybacking The Wise One but you provided the perfect post for doing so)

 

[TheWiseOne]

1. Aye, until fathers can agree to concieve the baby, this discussion is over.

They "agree" as soon as they stick their wee wee in the womans boom boom 😉

2. It's not called mothers support, it's called childsupport for a reason.

huh, yea I know....and?

differences are the greatest and now we should IGNORE THEM?

Fucking move to Saudi Arabia if you can't accept that women have a right to their own fucking body.

Fucking get some common sense bro, I accept womens rights, where in my arguments does it say I dont?

 

[HAL9000]

3. Neckbeard is a fucked up Essex man, i'll make no more excuses for his retardedness.

Grow the fuck up "SAS" Man.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

They "agree" as soon as they stick their wee wee in the womans boom boom 😉



huh, yea I know....and?



Fucking get some common sense bro, I accept womens rights, where in my arguments does it say I dont?

My apologies for assuming you have the mental capacity to read an entire post or to understand the word "piggybacking".

It will not overestimate your mental capacity ever again.

 

[TheWiseOne]

My apologies for assuming you have the mental capacity to read an entire post or to understand the word "piggybacking".

It will not overestimate your mental capacity ever again.

Sorry Im not a pathetic loser who spends his/her life glued to anandtech

:awe:

wait a minute, you were agreeing with me?

sorry, not sure...you come off so argumentative I guess I just figured

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Grow the fuck up "SAS" Man.

Son, when you understand that individuals rights trumph whatever opinion you hold you can come talk to me.

How about a smoking woman, she might be recklessly endangering her "child", should be arreste or at least put into custody to make sure, right, how about a misscarriage brought forth by valium, is that voluntary manslaughter?

I understand that you don't get shit about this, you're lost in your own simplicity of right and wrong and you don't ever think beyond that but i'll tell you what, if you don't want an abortion, per individuals rights you don't have to have one and THAT should be the end of it.

Fuck you retarded twats who think you get a say regarding others rights to their OWN BODIES!

 

[HAL9000]

Son,

I stopped reading after son, I'm not your son, don't patronise me.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Sorry Im not a pathetic loser who spends his/her life glued to anandtech

:awe:

Only posters who can read are pathetic?

Lemme guess, Alabama, right?

Yeah, i was agreeing with you, i was piggybacking off of your post...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I stopped reading after son, I'm not your son, don't patronise me.

If you were my son, i'd be dissapoint.

I've defended you in the past, mostly because when i see a kid being bullied i try to help him.

But NOW, when you have officially declared that you think YOU get to decide over any given womans body...

You're on your own and no, i won't hold back either.

 

[HAL9000]

If you were my son, i'd be dissapoint.

I've defended you in the past, mostly because when i see a kid being bullied i try to help him.

But NOW, when you have officially declared that you think YOU get to decide over any given womans body...

You're on your own and no, i won't hold back either.

I am officially declaring that someone should fight for the fathers rights, and that someone should fight for the child's rights.

I'm not alone in that, read back through the thread and you'll find there are a lot of people who agree with me.

 

[TheWiseOne]

Only posters who can read are pathetic?

Lemme guess, Alabama, right?

Yeah, i was agreeing with you, i was piggybacking off of your post...

K, my mistake man, Im gonna go get a coffee and wake up

no, NY actually :whiste:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I am officially declaring that someone should fight for the fathers rights, and that someone should fight for the child's rights.

I'm not alone in that, read back through the thread and you'll find there are a lot of people who agree with me.

Are you a father? I am, a grandfather even, i think i have some say about fathers rights because i fought for custody.

But you don't get custody of a womans womb and you can't argue that you have fathers rights when you are not a father.

You don't become a father until there is a child, at birth.

If you have learned anything about me, let it be that i'll as soon go against everyone else as for them and stand up for sanity on any issue, i really don't give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks about it.

I stand up for individuals rights and you hate them, i will always win because i stand up for my rights while you'll let me dictate what yours are, or perhaps you won't, perhaps you're just fine with dictating womens rights, you misogynist little wise and beautiful woman.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

K, my mistake man, Im gonna go get a coffee and wake up

no, NY actually :whiste:

I kinda figured as much, but i'm an arsehole so i respond in kind. 😉

 

[Blackjack200]

Since this thread won't die, here's a raw idea to mull over:

1. The woman has control over her own body, therefore the decision to abort or not is hers and hers alone

2. After (if) the baby is born, and in the event of disagreement between the man and woman, they may both petition the court for custody.

3. Both the man and woman could be expected to provide financial support to the child in proportion to the amount of time they have custody. A man or woman that receives alternate weekends would therefore be responsible for 1/7 of the child's expenses.

4. If either the man or woman is unable to provide their share of the support, they receive government assistance as is already the case when both parents are unable to support their child.

The woman keeps control of her body. Both partners are treated equally once the child is born.

 

[HAL9000]

Are you a father? I am, a grandfather even, i think i have some say about fathers rights because i fought for custody.

Great!...?

But you don't get custody of a womans womb and you can't argue that you have fathers rights when you are not a father.

You don't become a father until there is a child, at birth.

If you have learned anything about me, let it be that i'll as soon go against everyone else as for them and stand up for sanity on any issue, i really don't give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks about it.

Brilliant! You might want to stop posting about it then if you don't want to hear what other people have to say.

I stand up for individuals rights and you hate them, i will always win because i stand up for my rights while you'll let me dictate what yours are, or perhaps you won't, perhaps you're just fine with dictating womens rights, you misogynist little wise and beautiful woman.

The difference between us, is not that you stand up for one kind of right and I stand up for another, nor is the difference between us that you win and I don't (that's debatable) the difference is that I post my opinions on these forums, I argue my point, I listen to what other people have to say, and I do it without hurling childish insults at people. You say your a grandfather, you say you're in the SAS, you'd have thought that all this life experience would have taught you than when you enter an area of debate, flinging insults at people get's you no where.

Grow up.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The difference between us, is not that you stand up for one kind of right and I stand up for another

What right is that? Can I force you to have any other kind of medical procedure against your will? Should I have the right to tell you to amputate your arm? Should be able I force you to take estrogen hormones? Should I be able to inject you with excrement if I want to?

Do I have the right to do these things? Why or why not?

 

[Cookie]

Since this thread won't die, here's a raw idea to mull over:

3. Both the man and woman could be expected to provide financial support to the child in proportion to the amount of time they have custody. A man or woman that receives alternate weekends would therefore be responsible for 1/7 of the child's expenses.

4. If either the man or woman is unable to provide their share of the support, they receive government assistance as is already the case when both parents are unable to support their child.

So if a father is not interested in participating in caring for his child (with both time and money) you would rather your tax dollars pay for it instead? I am surprised.


PS. I hate disagreeing, let’s just go sailing, k?

 

[HAL9000]

What right is that? Can I force you to have any other kind of medical procedure against your will? Should I have the right to tell you to amputate your arm? Should be able I force you to take estrogen hormones? Should I be able to inject you with excrement if I want to?

Do I have the right to do these things? Why or why not?

I'm fighting for the right to life, the right to potential life, he is fighting for the rights of individuals to choose what they do with their body. Those are the two sides of this debate.

The whole excrement argument doesn't enter this debate.

 

[JulesMaximus]

So if a father is not interested in participating in caring for his child (with both time and money) you would rather your tax dollars pay for it instead? I am surprised.


PS. I hate disagreeing, let’s just go sailing, k?

I'm down! When do we go?