ex-boyfriend puts up abortion billboard

[Numenorean]

pregnancy is no guarantee of life.

when did you ever think that was the case?

seriously, though--would you prefer the spawn of this statutory rapist loose in the wild?

really? even if it was an abortion, it would be hard for her to accept that, I think.

If you're pregnant, there is life, until that life is killed/dies/whatever.

This whole thing started based on the OP, it was never stated there about rape or anything like that. It's not just about this ONE PERSON and this ONE INCIDENT.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

There really is. It's detestable how little value is put on human life by some.

What's detestable is the ignorance upon which so many people like yourself base their judgements.

"Human life" is not generally protected under the law. Live human embryos, human tissue samples, human tumors, etc are disposed of casually every.

Only a very narrow subset of human life is protected: persons. Fetuses are not persons. Persons are born.

 

[zinfamous]

If you're pregnant, there is life, until that life is killed/dies/whatever.

This whole thing started based on the OP, it was never stated there about rape or anything like that. It's not just about this ONE PERSON and this ONE INCIDENT.

define "life," Mr Biologist.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

So forcing a man to have no rights and have his child killed against his will is just fine and dandy then?

Do you think anyone should have the right to force a pregnant woman to terminate her pregnancy against her will?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

you can not murder what has no life.

You cannot murder that which is not a person. Murder is the unlawful killing of a person. Of course, being that abortions are lawful, it only further certifies that his claim is a falsehood.

 

[HAL9000]

Do you think anyone should have the right to force a pregnant woman to terminate her pregnancy against her will?

Assuming that he is making the same argument I am then no one should be forced to lose a child against their will, that is the point.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I think they should be able to get out of the current system of child support. It is abused and unfair in its application.

The unfair and abuse is mostly a myth. Raising a child is a very expensive endeavor. In almost all cases child support does not even come close to covering half of the costs.

See the problem is this, at least in my opinion:
Both adults make the decision to have an intercourse and BOTH are necessary to produce the fetus. Just with an egg/ovum or sperm by themselves, nothing will occur. However, as soon as the woman is pregnant, the man's opinion in the matter is negated somehow. Yes, it's the woman's body, but the fetus she couldn't have created on her own. Doesn't matter if it's in her body or not. Two were needed to create the baby/fetus. Here's where the complications arise.

Everyone will agree that it took two to fertilize the egg. The problem is that a egg is not a baby. It is a growth on the mother. It endangers her life, her livelihood, her social standing. It is unpleasant, painful, and terribly inconvenient. None of this the man has to endure. So, yes, it is her decision that matters, right up to the point that society has decided that the thing growing in her has become a baby.

adults have intercourse(both have a choice in the matter)--->pregnancy is carried to full term(choice of woman only now, when two individuals were required to create the fetus-man's choice in the matter eliminated)--->baby is delivered-now the man has his choice again magically NOT- he is required by law to pay child support.
The last step we need to reform.

No, he can take the child, and then the mother has to pay child support. The system is equal in this regard.
The interesting thing about these arguments is all the young men making them never even consider the possibility that they would raise the child. It goes to show that the 'I want the child' argument against abortion is a strawman.
The system is about as equal as it can be made, given the differences in biology.

 

[zinfamous]

Ah yes. I tend to forget how up-in-arms the rabid rabble would be if they spent a day in a fertility clinic, watching embryos hit the dust bin on a daily basis.

But, you know, DEAR GOD NO! we MUST NOT use those embryos to save further lives!

D😀😀:

But, the irony is, far more lives are created because of fertility clinics, yet not one of you is willing to pay for the eternal cryogenic storage of these little balls of cells. ....and god forbid they be used for a real purpose--protecting even more life.

 

[HAL9000]

Ah yes. I tend to forget how up-in-arms the rabid rabble would be if they spent a day in a fertility clinic, watching embryos hit the dust bin on a daily basis.

But, you know, DEAR GOD NO! we MUST NOT use those embryos to save further lives!

D😀😀:

I'm Anti-Abortion but Pro-Stem cells.

 

[Numenorean]

Do you think anyone should have the right to force a pregnant woman to terminate her pregnancy against her will?

No, just like I don't think that a father should be able to have his child aborted against his will.

 

[JulesMaximus]

That you think this is the problem. A man is not just a sperm donor. That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

The fuck he isn't. Did he stick his dick in her with the intent of knocking her up? He was playing Russian Roulette and lost...or won depending on your point of view. Either way, he knew the risks when he boned her bareback.

Honestly, given his rants on twitter and facebook I think the girl did the right thing if she really did abort the pregnancy.

I have zero sympathy for this douche.

 

[HAL9000]

The fuck he isn't. Did he stick his dick in her with the intent of knocking her up? He was playing Russian Roulette and lost...or won depending on your point of view. Either way, he knew the risks when he boned her bareback.

Honestly, given his rants on twitter and facebook I think the girl did the right thing if she really did abort the pregnancy.

I have zero sympathy for this douche.

The woman knew the risks too.

I have zero sympathy for that douche

 

[JulesMaximus]

There really is. It's detestable how little value is put on human life by some.

Is there a shortage of humans on this planet or something? 😕 ZOMG!!! She destroyed some cells that may or may not have developed into a human being! Someone think of the children!!!

I'm sure there are plenty of humans whose life you would put very little value on.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The woman knew the risks too.

I have zero sympathy for that douche

😕 Did you read any of his twitter posts? Would you want to be bonded by a child to that idiot for the rest of your life?

 

[HAL9000]

😕 Did you read any of his twitter posts? Would you want to be bonded by a child to that idiot for the rest of your life?

Doesn't matter, she made her choice when she opened her legs.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Assuming that he is making the same argument I am then no one should be forced to lose a child against their will, that is the point.

Upon what principle should one base the right of a woman not to be forced to terminate her pregnancy against her will?

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

No, just like I don't think that a father should be able to have his child aborted against his will.

Upon what principle do you base the right of a woman to be protected from undergoing a unconsentual abortion?

Is that the same principle which you think entitles a man to render a woman an involuntary incubator?

 

[HAL9000]

Upon what principle should one base the right of a woman not to be forced to terminate her pregnancy against her will?

On the principle that no one should be forced to lose a child or potential child.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

The woman knew the risks too.

So what?

I know the risks I face when I drive my car on public motorways. If another driver collides with my vehicle due to no negligence on my part, why should anyone else deny me the right to seek restitution? Should the driver that hit me have the right to prevent me from repairing my automobile, simply because he wants my car to have dents?

 

[HAL9000]

So what?

I know the risks I face when I drive my car on public motorways. If another driver collides with my vehicle due to no negligence on my part, why should anyone else deny me the right to seek restitution? Should the driver that hit me have the right to prevent me from repairing my automobile, simply because he wants my car to have dents?

The difference is that the driver in that case would be forcing you into an accident, no one forced this woman to get pregnant she was 50% of the part that chose to get herself pregnant.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

On the principle that no one should be forced to lose a child or potential child.

We're not talking about children. We're talking about fetuses, and fetuses are as much "potential children" as you and I are "potential corpses."

In other words, you response was meaningless.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Doesn't matter, she made her choice when she opened her legs.

Well, let me turn the tables on you. What if she wanted to keep it and the guy wanted to abort it? Who wins in that scenario?

 

[HAL9000]

We're not talking about children. We're talking about fetuses, and fetuses are as much "potential children" as you and I are "potential corpses."

In other words, you response was meaningless.

No it isn't a foetus becomes a child when left to it, therefore it is a potential child.

 

[HAL9000]

Well, let me turn the tables on you. What if she wanted to keep it and the guy wanted to abort it? Who wins in that scenario?

Life wins out, both parents should want the abortion in order for it to be considered.

She wins.

 

[JulesMaximus]

No it isn't a foetus becomes a child when left to it, therefore it is a potential child.

Were you raised catholic by any chance?