Evolution thread:10-30-06 Scientists back pro science democrat against pro intellignet design republican

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: zendari
According to the liberal version of the Founding Fathers, any mention of religion in any context whatsoever across the country was banned. :roll:

You get a point for responding without mentioning Clinton.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari
According to the liberal version of the Founding Fathers, any mention of religion in any context whatsoever across the country was banned. :roll:

Keep it up and that can be arranged.

LoL! The liberal nation of freedom where religion is outlawed..

The fundamentalists want to outlaw science, no?

Does that make correct, in your view, the opposite extreme view?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari
According to the liberal version of the Founding Fathers, any mention of religion in any context whatsoever across the country was banned. :roll:

Keep it up and that can be arranged.

LoL! The liberal nation of freedom where religion is outlawed..

The fundamentalists want to outlaw science, no?

Nah, just burn down smithsonian, since religion is not allowed in museums, science shouldnt be either.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: zendari
According to the liberal version of the Founding Fathers, any mention of religion in any context whatsoever across the country was banned. :roll:

Keep it up and that can be arranged.

LoL! The liberal nation of freedom where religion is outlawed..

The fundamentalists want to outlaw science, no?

Nah, just burn down smithsonian, since religion is not allowed in museums, science shouldnt be either.

Why's that Adolph..err zendari?

 

[StepUp]

Originally posted by: zendari
According to the liberal version of the Founding Fathers, any mention of religion in any context whatsoever across the country was banned. :roll:

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -James Madison

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." -Thomas Jefferson

"What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith." -Thomas Paine


"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity." -John Adams

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." -George Washington

". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on mequite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist." -Ben Frankiln

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: StepUp

Originally posted by: zendari
According to the liberal version of the Founding Fathers, any mention of religion in any context whatsoever across the country was banned. :roll:

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise." -James Madison

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." -Thomas Jefferson

"What is it the New Testament teaches us? To believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married; and the belief of this debauchery is called faith." -Thomas Paine


"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity." -John Adams

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." -George Washington

". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on mequite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist." -Ben Frankiln

The folks who worship bridges are at war among themselves as to which is the best bridge. Those who have crossed recognize each and each other in the other.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Here is a Museum dedicated to the new America Taliban teaching that has replaced Science:

7-31-2006 Museum uses bible to tell earth's history

PETERSBURG, Ky. - Like most natural history museums, this one has exhibits showing dinosaurs roaming the Earth. Except here, the giant reptiles share the forest with Adam and Eve.

That, of course, is contradicted by science, but that's the point of the $25 million Creation Museum rising fast in rural Kentucky.

Its inspiration is the Bible ? the literal interpretation that contends God created the heavens and the Earth and everything in them just a few thousand years ago.

"If the Bible is the word of God, and its history really is true, that's our presupposition or axiom, and we are starting there," museum founder Ken Ham

Ham, an Australian native who started the Christian publishing company Answers in Genesis in the late 1970s, said the goal of his privately funded museum is to change minds and rebut the scientific point of view.

"We're going to show you that we can make sense of the different people groups, we can make sense of fossils, we can make sense of what you see in the world," he said.

Scientists say fossils and sophisticated nuclear dating technology show that the Earth is more than 4 billion years old, the first dinosaurs appeared around 200 million years ago, and they died out well before the first human ancestors arose a few million years ago.

Ham said he believes most fossils are the result of the Great Flood described in Genesis.

John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research in San Diego, an organization that promotes creationism, said the museum will affirm the doubts many people have about science, namely the notion that man evolved from lower forms of life.

"Americans just aren't gullible enough to believe that they came from a fish," he said.

Wait a minute - something is wrong here.
I bolded the section where 'Ham' an Australian native was credited with founding the 'Creation Museum'.

Here in Texas, just a mosey down the road a piece from Fort Worth, is Glen Rose, and the <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://paleo.cc/paluxy/dvsp.htm">Dinosaur Park
where all those magnificient track prints were found in the stone bedrock of the ancient Paluxy River</a>

and on the road leading into the Park there of to the 'Extreme Right' sits the Creation Evidence Museum

Read it - and pay special attention to Paragraph # 3

The CEM, opened in 1984, proudly bills itself as a "scientifically chartered museum." Its founder and director, Carl Baugh, Ph.D., sees it as a natural extension of his life's work -- to topple Darwin's theory of evolution by proving that people and dinosaurs lived together. Dr. Baugh (whose doctorate, it should be noted, is in Philosophy and is from a correspondence college in Australia) is a 66-year-old Baptist minister who -- miraculously, perhaps -- still has a full head of thick, brown hair. He is an inescapable presence at the CEM, the Mr. Rogers of Creationism. His cardigan-clad image hosts a 40-minute video tour in which he explains EVERY SINGLE ITEM on display in the Museum. The video is run several times daily, on three big monitors, simultaneously, in the tiny room. Like it or not, you will get Dr. Baugh's message at the CEM.

A Doctorate Degree in Philosophy . . from a correspondance college course in Australia

Ah ha! a 'Down-Under' Conspiracy

Just waiting for them to announce that they have put on display the fossilized remains of Adam's (of Adam & Eve fame) penis,
which , by the way, they will have found laying sideways in the bottom of a Sauropod track, bigger than in real life.

 

[rickn]

they can pick up more advertisers if they have Adam sportin' a pair of CK's and Eve in Victoria Secrets. You know they both appeared in a garden, sporting smooth waxed tanned bodies and freshly botoxed upper lips.

 

[zendari]

President George Washington, September 17th, 1796

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible"

His Prayer At Valley Forge "Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee."

"Bless O Lord the whole race of mankind, and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy Son, Jesus. "Of all dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens."

"To the distinguished character of a Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of a Christian."

Patrick Henry

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations."

Benjamin Franklin Address at the Constitutional Convention Thursday June 28, 1787

"I have lived, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?

President John Adams

"The highest story of the American Revolution is this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

President John Quincy Adams

"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of the living God."

John Jay, 1777 The first Chief Justice of the United States

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and the interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: zendari
President George Washington, September 17th, 1796

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible"

His Prayer At Valley Forge "Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee."

"Bless O Lord the whole race of mankind, and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy Son, Jesus. "Of all dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens."

"To the distinguished character of a Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of a Christian."

Patrick Henry

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations."

Benjamin Franklin Address at the Constitutional Convention Thursday June 28, 1787

"I have lived, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?

President John Adams

"The highest story of the American Revolution is this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

President John Quincy Adams

"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of the living God."

John Jay, 1777 The first Chief Justice of the United States

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and the interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

what's your point? what about the other 50 men who signed the DoE? The founding fathers were not all christian. some were, some were not. they all agreed though that religious neutrality was the best approach.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: rickn

what's your point? what about the other 50 men who signed the DoE? The founding fathers were not all christian. some were, some were not. they all agreed though that religious neutrality was the best approach.

So why wouldn't they be neutral towards a private museum in Kentucky?

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: rickn

what's your point? what about the other 50 men who signed the DoE? The founding fathers were not all christian. some were, some were not. they all agreed though that religious neutrality was the best approach.

So why wouldn't they be neutral towards a private museum in Kentucky?

I suppose, so long as tax dollars aint paying for it and it is on private non-governmental property.

 

[jackschmittusa]

IMHO, anyone who believes in biblical creationism is a crackpot of some sort. Representing it as science puts you waaaaay out in left field somewhere. I have never heard any argument for creationism being fact that had any credibility whatsoever. If someone wants to believe it on faith personally, fine; have at it. Inventing facts and conjecture to cloak it as real science is discusting. People have the right to do it in this country and I wouldn't take that away. But it is discusting never the less.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Just give me some proof, there is proof of evolution, proof that the world is a couple years older than the bible says (carbon dating), proof that dinosaurs existed a few million years before man (see carbon dating), proof that man wasn't the upright, pious creature he is now, (see skeletal structures of Peking and Java man, et al). All this and there is not 1 shred of proof for creationism. Not 1, no ark, no grail, no marks on mountains to show where a great flood would have happened, oh yea, that's right, it's all about belief. Well I believe in science, and a higher power, they are not one and the same.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: zendari
President George Washington, September 17th, 1796

"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible"

His Prayer At Valley Forge "Almighty and eternal Lord God, the great Creator of heaven and earth, and the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ; look down from heaven in pity and compassion upon me Thy servant, who humbly prorate myself before Thee."

"Bless O Lord the whole race of mankind, and let the world be filled with the knowledge of Thee and Thy Son, Jesus. "Of all dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens."

"To the distinguished character of a Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of a Christian."

Patrick Henry

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We shall not fight alone. God presides over the destinies of nations."

Benjamin Franklin Address at the Constitutional Convention Thursday June 28, 1787

"I have lived, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?

President John Adams

"The highest story of the American Revolution is this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

President John Quincy Adams

"It is no slight testimonial, both to the merit and worth of Christianity, that in all ages since its promulgation the great mass of those who have risen to eminence by their profound wisdom and integrity have recognized and reverenced Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of the living God."

John Jay, 1777 The first Chief Justice of the United States

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and the interest, of a Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

As I'm sure you know the vast majority of the Founding Fathers were Deists, look up the word if you aren't familiar. These are statements of their personal beliefs, NONE of which made it into the DoI or the Constitution.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Franklin made Jefferson change the wording, it previously said something about being ordained from God or granted by God, something like that.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: ayabe


As I'm sure you know the vast majority of the Founding Fathers were Deists, look up the word if you aren't familiar. These are statements of their personal beliefs, NONE of which made it into the DoI or the Constitution.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Franklin made Jefferson change the wording, it previously said something about being ordained from God or granted by God, something like that.

Much of what went into the founding of this nation was Freedom FROM Religion, rather than Freedon OF Religion.

Those who left England and came here were casting off the shackels of the English Anglican Church Doctrine.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Just give me some proof, there is proof of evolution, proof that the world is a couple years older than the bible says (carbon dating), proof that dinosaurs existed a few million years before man (see carbon dating), proof that man wasn't the upright, pious creature he is now, (see skeletal structures of Peking and Java man, et al). All this and there is not 1 shred of proof for creationism. Not 1, no ark, no grail, no marks on mountains to show where a great flood would have happened, oh yea, that's right, it's all about belief. Well I believe in science, and a higher power, they are not one and the same.

I believe there is evidence of a large boat from a flood of the Tigris and Euphrates, but hardly "the ark." The thing is, the bible does include history in it, but it's written by men. In many ways, you can treat it like a Hollywood film that says "based on a true story." That is, take the truth with a grain of salt.

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Much of what went into the founding of this nation was Freedom FROM Religion, rather than Freedon OF Religion.

Those who left England and came here were casting off the shackels of the English Anglican Church Doctrine.

I believe, in many respects, the founding fathers wanted something more important; that they wanted a religion that was free from government. One of the worst things you can do with a religion is to make public policy out of it.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Just give me some proof, there is proof of evolution, proof that the world is a couple years older than the bible says (carbon dating), proof that dinosaurs existed a few million years before man (see carbon dating), proof that man wasn't the upright, pious creature he is now, (see skeletal structures of Peking and Java man, et al). All this and there is not 1 shred of proof for creationism. Not 1, no ark, no grail, no marks on mountains to show where a great flood would have happened, oh yea, that's right, it's all about belief. Well I believe in science, and a higher power, they are not one and the same.

Wait... so making random stabs at so called weaknesses in the fossil record isn't support for ID? Who could've guessed?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: rickn

what's your point? what about the other 50 men who signed the DoE? The founding fathers were not all christian. some were, some were not. they all agreed though that religious neutrality was the best approach.

So why wouldn't they be neutral towards a private museum in Kentucky?

I agree, they should. That's what separation of church and state is all about. I sincerely doubt anyone believes that this "museum" shouldn't exist or that the government should shut it down. Still, that doesn't mean they're not going to receive their fair share of abuse for being so ignorant about their beliefs. "Young Earth" evangelicals are about as bizarre as it gets.

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Since its privately funded, separatation of church and state do not apply.

Would you restrict this persons beliefs and views? I wouldn't.

The slope can be slippery both ways.

What are you talking about? This is what is taught in public schools now.

Which public schools? Its definitely not taught in any of the publics in my state.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Since its privately funded, separatation of church and state do not apply.

Would you restrict this persons beliefs and views? I wouldn't.

The slope can be slippery both ways.

What are you talking about? This is what is taught in public schools now.

Which public schools? Its definitely not taught in any of the publics in my state.

I remember reading an article about how a large number of college freshmen in one of the midwestern states were never taught evolution. It's not quite the same, but you have major issues where some schools simply aren't teaching science like they're supposed to.

 

[martinez]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk

Originally posted by: dmcowen674


Here is a Museum dedicated to the new America Taliban teaching that has replaced Science:

7-31-2006 Museum uses bible to tell earth's history

PETERSBURG, Ky. - Like most natural history museums, this one has exhibits showing dinosaurs roaming the Earth. Except here, the giant reptiles share the forest with Adam and Eve.

That, of course, is contradicted by science, but that's the point of the $25 million Creation Museum rising fast in rural Kentucky.

Its inspiration is the Bible ? the literal interpretation that contends God created the heavens and the Earth and everything in them just a few thousand years ago.

"If the Bible is the word of God, and its history really is true, that's our presupposition or axiom, and we are starting there," museum founder Ken Ham

Ham, an Australian native who started the Christian publishing company Answers in Genesis in the late 1970s, said the goal of his privately funded museum is to change minds and rebut the scientific point of view.

"We're going to show you that we can make sense of the different people groups, we can make sense of fossils, we can make sense of what you see in the world," he said.

Scientists say fossils and sophisticated nuclear dating technology show that the Earth is more than 4 billion years old, the first dinosaurs appeared around 200 million years ago, and they died out well before the first human ancestors arose a few million years ago.

Ham said he believes most fossils are the result of the Great Flood described in Genesis.

John Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research in San Diego, an organization that promotes creationism, said the museum will affirm the doubts many people have about science, namely the notion that man evolved from lower forms of life.

"Americans just aren't gullible enough to believe that they came from a fish," he said.

Wait a minute - something is wrong here.
I bolded the section where 'Ham' an Australian native was credited with founding the 'Creation Museum'.

Here in Texas, just a mosey down the road a piece from Fort Worth, is Glen Rose, and the <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://paleo.cc/paluxy/dvsp.htm">Dinosaur Park
where all those magnificient track prints were found in the stone bedrock of the ancient Paluxy River</a>

and on the road leading into the Park there of to the 'Extreme Right' sits the Creation Evidence Museum

Read it - and pay special attention to Paragraph # 3

The CEM, opened in 1984, proudly bills itself as a "scientifically chartered museum." Its founder and director, Carl Baugh, Ph.D., sees it as a natural extension of his life's work -- to topple Darwin's theory of evolution by proving that people and dinosaurs lived together. Dr. Baugh (whose doctorate, it should be noted, is in Philosophy and is from a correspondence college in Australia) is a 66-year-old Baptist minister who -- miraculously, perhaps -- still has a full head of thick, brown hair. He is an inescapable presence at the CEM, the Mr. Rogers of Creationism. His cardigan-clad image hosts a 40-minute video tour in which he explains EVERY SINGLE ITEM on display in the Museum. The video is run several times daily, on three big monitors, simultaneously, in the tiny room. Like it or not, you will get Dr. Baugh's message at the CEM.

A Doctorate Degree in Philosophy . . from a correspondance college course in Australia

Ah ha! a 'Down-Under' Conspiracy

Just waiting for them to announce that they have put on display the fossilized remains of Adam's (of Adam & Eve fame) penis,
which , by the way, they will have found laying sideways in the bottom of a Sauropod track, bigger than in real life.

Those Aussies knew their views would be laughed at in Australia so chose to go to the places people are gullible enough to swallow their con. Texas and Kentucky.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Sad 🙁 Spending all this money to build a structure dedicated to something that is probably WAY off the mark, when they could use this money to feed starving children or something.

Pssst... I'll let you in on a little secret. These folks don't really care about starving children.

I guess you can't say the same of people who manipulate plant genetics towards the goal of increasing yields come harvest time. 😉

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Sad 🙁 Spending all this money to build a structure dedicated to something that is probably WAY off the mark, when they could use this money to feed starving children or something.

Pssst... I'll let you in on a little secret. These folks don't really care about starving children.

I guess you can't say the same of people who manipulate plant genetics towards the goal of increasing yields come harvest time. 😉

True enough often enough. Some of them would put their mother's kidney gene in corn if it pissed bugs that eat, and not to feed the world, but to fatten their wallet.

 

[straightalker]

How many billion of years would it take of tonadoes whirling through a junkyard to produce a Boeing 777 jet airliner?

Yet the human body is a trillion times as complex.

The real knowledgeable scientists who have not been brainwashed by evolution recognize that there are blueprints in the natural World that put a human being together. And all other life forms.

Evidence: DNA and the incredibly almost infinitely complex biological creatures that are made according to these blueprints.

You see, ...the evidence is so great it blinds those already blinded by Darwin's totally unsubstantiated theories.

The latest collection of evolutionary theories was put forth by Stephen J Gould. Its called "punctuated equilibrium". You see, there's no transitional fossils between species in the entire fossile record. Creatures appear on the fossile record fully formed. So Gould says evolution happens in fast bursts. We allegedly can't see the transitional fossile because the the actual evolving mechanizms that allegedly drive macro-evolution happened too fast for any animals to have some mishap and be fossilized, in for instance a sedimentary rock formed by floods.

Which is quite a bizarre theory by Gould, since evolution is alleged to require billions or millions of years of tiny changes that benefit a creature's survival. Called by Darwin "Natural Selection".

...enjoy the discussion and try to be gentlemen.