DangerAardvark
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The great thing about Evolution is that whether you believe in it or not is completely irrelevant.
Cerpin Taxt
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Well, in the usual Young Earth Creationist narrative, life-as-we-know-it-today was also created during those original 7 days, and has only been around with the rest of the universe approximately 6000 years or so in total.
In other words, most people that believe the world was made in 7 days wouldn't accept the premise of your question, "why did it [god] wait 4 billion years..."
I know, i'm trying to get anyone who thinks such nonsense (like the earth was created in 7 days, or the earth isn't really old) to think twice. I didn't expect an answer to that question.
Jeff7
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He could just as easily have created a world without change, where adaptation would be unnecessary. He could have created more robust life forms, capable of surviving in nearly any environment. If God really knows everything, then he knew every outcome of every event that would ever take place within his creation. Everything. He would know how many grains of sand would be on Pizmo Beach before Bugs Bunny arrived. He'd know their positions after a wave washed over them. (Could God create a riddle he couldn't figure out? Only he would truly know the answer to that. Or would he?
) He would know what conditions would be "threatening." Why leave it to life to suffer through harsh changes?And no one can give me that bit about Adam choosing to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. God knows everything, remember? Sure Adam had free will, but only within the realm of his and Eve's knowledge and timeline. God knew, from the instant of creation, exactly what Adam would do during his entire life. He created Adam anyway, and whaddaya know, he ate from the apple.
But then, the writers of the Bible probably didn't have a good grasp on what they were doing when they said, "Our God has infinite power and knowledge." Just a quick way of one-upsmanship. "Oh, your deity can create a solar system in a week? Hah! Ours can do everything!!!! And it comes with a 5 year warranty."
the ancients had it right. The Sun is our god, without it, we would not exist.
it is not all knowing or ALL powerful. but it is god damn powerful.
it is not all knowing or ALL powerful. but it is god damn powerful.
Throckmorton
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No, it's not irrelevant. People who don't believe in evolution are part of a huge problem in this society... Not Western society as a whole, but American society.
Gibsons
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
He could just as easily have created a world without change, where adaptation would be unnecessary. He could have created more robust life forms, capable of surviving in nearly any environment. If God really knows everything, then he knew every outcome of every event that would ever take place within his creation. Everything. He would know how many grains of sand would be on Pizmo Beach before Bugs Bunny arrived. He'd know their positions after a wave washed over them. (Could God create a riddle he couldn't figure out? Only he would truly know the answer to that. Or would he?
And no one can give me that bit about Adam choosing to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. God knows everything, remember? Sure Adam had free will, but only within the realm of his and Eve's knowledge and timeline. God knew, from the instant of creation, exactly what Adam would do during his entire life. He created Adam anyway, and whaddaya know, he ate from the apple.
But then, the writers of the Bible probably didn't have a good grasp on what they were doing when they said, "Our God has infinite power and knowledge." Just a quick way of one-upsmanship. "Oh, your deity can create a solar system in a week? Hah! Ours can do everything!!!! And it comes with a 5 year warranty."
The real question is: Could god microwave a burrito so hot that he couldn't eat it?
DangerAardvark
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I meant irrelevant to the validity of the idea. But the problem of people not believing in Evolution is only part of the bigger problem of irrational belief in general.
alkemyst
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
He could just as easily have created a world without change, where adaptation would be unnecessary. He could have created more robust life forms, capable of surviving in nearly any environment. If God really knows everything, then he knew every outcome of every event that would ever take place within his creation. Everything. He would know how many grains of sand would be on Pizmo Beach before Bugs Bunny arrived. He'd know their positions after a wave washed over them. (Could God create a riddle he couldn't figure out? Only he would truly know the answer to that. Or would he?
And no one can give me that bit about Adam choosing to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. God knows everything, remember? Sure Adam had free will, but only within the realm of his and Eve's knowledge and timeline. God knew, from the instant of creation, exactly what Adam would do during his entire life. He created Adam anyway, and whaddaya know, he ate from the apple.
But then, the writers of the Bible probably didn't have a good grasp on what they were doing when they said, "Our God has infinite power and knowledge." Just a quick way of one-upsmanship. "Oh, your deity can create a solar system in a week? Hah! Ours can do everything!!!! And it comes with a 5 year warranty."
The tenants of most bibles is God doesn't interfere.
One of the big things in this is that maybe God didn't foresee man being so independent...it's all opinion.
Also ones look on what's suffering is a big thing vs what living is about.
Once you have man acting on his own, even if things outside him had no affect; Man seems to find a great way to mess things up.
To the other guy stating the 7 day belief then 4 billion years. They don't work together. Also life evolution did not have to start at 4 billion years ago...it could have started within the last billion with a major event. It could have also existed prior and been wiped out.
A lot of people are entering this with comments that they really have not thought out and are just throwing the shit on the wall to see what sticks.
alkemyst
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There is not a problem in someone not believing in evolution, it's the people forcing that belief as well as the people that don't believe in religion/God forcing that.
Like too many debates people don't see the solution where both sides actually can work out independent of each other.
Throckmorton
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Except that distrust and ignorance of science leads to bigger problems in society. No matter what, fundamentalists in every society seem to feel that their religion has a role in government. Currently that's the norm in the Arab world, but in the Western world America is unique. When a large portion of your population (45% of Americans are creationists), that also means that a large portion of the population is not able to carry out critical thought necessary in choosing leaders, understanding cultural geography and history, making life decisions, contributing to technological advancement, etc.
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