Evolution:4-10-04 Evolution theory is rooted in the religion of atheism

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: conjur

Bzzzzt! WRONG!

<--- 12 years of Catholic school, received 5 of the sacraments, Scripture classes in high school.


I do think I know what I'm talking about.

I'm not denying the Bible says there's no spirituality without God. I'm denying the supposition that most of the Bible is fact. There was no Noah's Ark. There was no Adam and Eve in a garden eating a forbidden fruit offered up by a serpent.

It's all symbolism. And, until you and other fundamentalists realize that, you'll never really understand the Bible.

Even Jesus spoke using symbolism.

Because Jesus used some parables...the entire Bible is symbolism?

Where did I say that? Nice way to try and twist my words.

Consider that parables (symbolism) is used to explain a point in a graphic way. What "point" are we to gather from the Old Testament if it's symbolic? It doesn't present itself as symbolic. There are chronicles of family lineage...are those symbolic of something?

I never denied there was some historical truth in the Old Testament. However, the big picture (the concept you fail to comprehend) is that the stories in the Old Testament are simply stories. The Hebrews were no different from, say, the ancient Romans or even Native Americans with tall tales and myths handed down from one generation to the next. Not much more than the morals behind even Aesop's Fables.

Cool. Hey, publish a Bible where the history and symbolism are separated by ink color or something so the rest of us can be in on this priveleged info it seems only you possess.

I'm not going to give you a play-by-play. I highly recommend you take some real Bible study courses. Not those offered by ultra-fundamentalists but, rather, one that actually goes into discourse in the real meaning of the words and the stories and their origination.

I have a play by play...it's called the Bible. I've taken plenty of these so-called classes in college...pure conjecture...but they were fun. The Bible calls itself Truth so if you are to believe it, then you must take it that way.

And, by the way, Catholicism is basically a cult offshoot of true Christianity. No wonder you're so screwed up.

And, by the way, ALL religions are cults, so, what's your point?

Protestant Christianity is not a cult. We believe the Bible is the literal, infallible Word of God as defined by itself. When people like you start picking and choosing which parts you want to believe is when your religeon becomes a cult.

Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k<
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion


Try again.

Interesting...how about the first line from dictionary.com?

"A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader."

How about point number two?

"A system or community of religious worship and ritual."

Protestant Christianity is neither a system nor does it contain ritual like Catholicism.

There...I tried again.

 

[conjur]

I'll take Merriam-Webster over Dictonary.com, thanks.


And, the Bible does not call itself truth. It's ultra-fundamentalists like yourself that call it truth. I could call my left testicle the Truth but it doesn't make it so.

 

[maluckey]

As has been stated over and over ad-nauseum. Genesis tells what happened, not how it happened.

God willed it to be, and the mechanism of his actions was never described. It's all I need to know. Science and theology are two different studies which have little common ground, and one cannot often disprove the other, since they are mostly unrelated disciplines.

Don't get me wrong, I am a devout man, strong in my faith. I also beleive that Gods will is final and absolute. It is up to us, not He, to explain the mechanisms by which His will is carried out.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Interesting...how about the first line from dictionary.com? "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader." How about point number two? "A system or community of religious worship and ritual." Protestant Christianity is neither a system nor does it contain ritual like Catholicism. There...I tried again.

Hmm. The population of the world is somewhere between 6 and 6.5 billion. There are believed to be circa 2 billion Christians in the world, of which less than 500 million describe themselves as Protestants. If roughly 90% of the worlds population follow something else than Protestantism, it therefore follows that Protestantism is 'generally considered to be extremist or false, etc etc". Oh, and I think they'd also describe Jesus as 'an authoritarian, charismatic leader.'

Also, since you like Dictionary.com, on to point two; According to this august point of reference;

System;

<LI>A group of interacting, interrelated, or interdependent elements forming a complex whole.
<LI>A functionally related group of elements, especially:
The human body regarded as a functional physiological unit.
An organism as a whole, especially with regard to its vital processes or functions.
A group of physiologically or anatomically complementary organs or parts: <CITE>the nervous system; the skeletal system.</CITE>
A group of interacting mechanical or electrical components.
A network of structures and channels, as for communication, travel, or distribution.
A network of related computer software, hardware, and data transmission devices.
<LI>An organized set of interrelated ideas or principles.
<LI>A social, economic, or political organizational form.
<LI>A naturally occurring group of objects or phenomena: <CITE>the solar system.</CITE>
<LI>A set of objects or phenomena grouped together for classification or analysis.
<LI>A condition of harmonious, orderly interaction.
<LI>An organized and coordinated method; a procedure. See Synonyms at method.
<LI>The prevailing social order; the establishment.

And ritual would be;

<LI type=a>The prescribed order of a religious ceremony.
<LI type=a>The body of ceremonies or rites used in a place of worship.

So. check and check. Protestantism is a system that contains ritual, all according to dictionary.com.
Can we agree to call it a cult now?

 

[Siddhartha]

The Indiana State legislature once passed a law making PI equal to 3.0.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

DMC, you are a NUT. Evolution is ALL AROUND YOU. Pay attention. Try reading one of those little rectangle things with the pages inside (we call them BOOKS in the modern world) and learn to UNDERSTAND what Evolution is. It's not some ancient pagan religion, you dunce!

See, this is why I don't visit these forums very often: Morons like DMCowen just piss me off and completely drown my hope and faith in the ability of man to REASON his way to prosperity.

Jason

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
DMC, you are a NUT. Evolution is ALL AROUND YOU. Pay attention. Try reading one of those little rectangle things with the pages inside (we call them BOOKS in the modern world) and learn to UNDERSTAND what Evolution is. It's not some ancient pagan religion, you dunce!

See, this is why I don't visit these forums very often: Morons like DMCowen just piss me off and completely drown my hope and faith in the ability of man to REASON his way to prosperity.

Jason

Jason try reading. None of the above was my personal opinion on this, ever hear of the Messenger?

The Georgia State Secretary of Schools is the one that brought up this issue and said "Evolution" should be banned. She has since backed down but the Horse cannot be put back in the Barn.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
DMC, you are a NUT. Evolution is ALL AROUND YOU. Pay attention. Try reading one of those little rectangle things with the pages inside (we call them BOOKS in the modern world) and learn to UNDERSTAND what Evolution is. It's not some ancient pagan religion, you dunce!

See, this is why I don't visit these forums very often: Morons like DMCowen just piss me off and completely drown my hope and faith in the ability of man to REASON his way to prosperity.

Jason

You know, it's morons like you who fail to read that just piss me off completely.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Listen, conjur: f8ck you. 3AM and I read DMC's title. You know as well as I do that this moron has posted sh1t like this on more than one occasion with his ridiculous Christian views on life, the universe and everything, so it was a perfectly fair interpretation. If you don't like it, you can kiss my @ss.

Jason

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Listen, conjur: f8ck you. 3AM and I read DMC's title. You know as well as I do that this moron has posted sh1t like this on more than one occasion with his ridiculous Christian views on life, the universe and everything, so it was a perfectly fair interpretation. If you don't like it, you can kiss my @ss.

Jason

You'd think my name is George W Bush

 

[chess9]

Bugs:

How much post-high school biology have you had? Regardless, it hasn't been enough! Why don't you down a few thousand pages of evolutionary biology before you post anthing else?

-Robert

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Listen, conjur: f8ck you. 3AM and I read DMC's title. You know as well as I do that this moron has posted sh1t like this on more than one occasion with his ridiculous Christian views on life, the universe and everything, so it was a perfectly fair interpretation. If you don't like it, you can kiss my @ss.

Jason

My my my. Someone has some anger issues, eh?

I think moron certainly fits your description quite well due to the lack of any intelligent thought in that post of yours. Have you made it out of 5th grade yet?

And, fyi, I don't frequent this particular forum very much but, imo, and that of every other poster in this thread, is that Dave was merely posting a bit of news and left the topic open for discussion.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

In this case, yes it appears to be the case that he's posted some news and left it open for discussion (not that any sincerely intelligent discussion on this issue is possible; you're talking about people who reject facts, evidence and empirical data in favor of their "feelings" about the Invisible Man in the Sky). That is more often than not, however, NOT the case. Do a little research. I also don't spend much time here because I find it much too annoying that the biggest trading/selling forums on the net are frequented by such ridiculous and dishonest people (for reference, check any thread discussing matters of whether it's OK to steal (AKA "tax") people who EARN in order to support people who do not.

I may be irritable today from lack of proper sleep or simple stress from having a lot to accomplish this week. In either case, f8ck you

Jason

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
In this case, yes it appears to be the case that he's posted some news and left it open for discussion (not that any sincerely intelligent discussion on this issue is possible; you're talking about people who reject facts, evidence and empirical data in favor of their "feelings" about the Invisible Man in the Sky). That is more often than not, however, NOT the case. Do a little research. I also don't spend much time here because I find it much too annoying that the biggest trading/selling forums on the net are frequented by such ridiculous and dishonest people (for reference, check any thread discussing matters of whether it's OK to steal (AKA "tax") people who EARN in order to support people who do not.

I may be irritable today from lack of proper sleep or simple stress from having a lot to accomplish this week. In either case, f8ck you

Jason

Don't worry about it, have a :beer: and get some sleep

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
In this case, yes it appears to be the case that he's posted some news and left it open for discussion (not that any sincerely intelligent discussion on this issue is possible; you're talking about people who reject facts, evidence and empirical data in favor of their "feelings" about the Invisible Man in the Sky). That is more often than not, however, NOT the case. Do a little research. I also don't spend much time here because I find it much too annoying that the biggest trading/selling forums on the net are frequented by such ridiculous and dishonest people (for reference, check any thread discussing matters of whether it's OK to steal (AKA "tax") people who EARN in order to support people who do not.

I may be irritable today from lack of proper sleep or simple stress from having a lot to accomplish this week. In either case, f8ck you

Jason

Don't worry about it, have a :beer: and get some sleep

Yeah...no doubt. Lighten up. You've become that which you despise!

 

[conjur]

Creationists try to debunk TalkOrigins

 

[conjur]

Ah...found this:

http://www.digisys.net/users/hoppnrmt/miscindex.htm

 

[dmcowen674]

Creationists panties in a bunch, scientists find the "missing link" gene, we evolved from Apes:

3-24-2004 Gene Mutation Said Linked to Evolution

Igniting a scientific furor, scientists say they may have found the genetic mutation that first separated the earliest humans from their apelike ancestors.

The provocative discovery suggests that this genetic twist ? toward smaller, weaker jaws...The smaller jaws would allow for dramatic brain growth necessary for tool-making, language and other hallmarks of human evolution on the plains of East Africa.

The Pennsylvania researchers said their estimate of when this mutation first occurred ? about 2.4 million years ago ? generally overlaps with the first fossils of prehistoric humans featuring rounder skulls, flatter faces, smaller teeth and weaker jaws.

But nonhuman primates ? including our closest animal relative, the chimpanzee ? still carry the original big-jaw gene and thanks to stout muscles attached to the tops of their heads, they can bite and grind the toughest foods.

The mutation also offers a glimpse of behavioral changes, the Penn researchers said. Apes use their powerful bites to maintain social control, while early humans may have had to rely more on cooperation.

 

[conjur]

Your title is misleading, Dave.

That article does not state we evolved from apes. At least not apes in the sense of the current species of apes. We both have a common ancestor and split somewhere along the line.

I can't wait to read more on this, though.

I'm almost finished reading The Seven Daughters of Eve - a book tracing mitochondrial DNA of all current humans back to seven females that lived 150,000 years ago.

 

[LunarRay]

Well now.. See.. God could have allowed us to be evolved from Brussels Sprouts... But, he chose Apes..
In any event.... My Ape linage is better than yours!..

Since we are created in God's image and that happened so long ago... I wonder what God thinks about when he sees what we've evolved into..

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: conjur
Your title is misleading, Dave.

That article does not state we evolved from apes. At least not apes in the sense of the current species of apes. We both have a common ancestor and split somewhere along the line.

I can't wait to read more on this, though.

I'm almost finished reading The Seven Daughters of Eve - a book tracing mitochondrial DNA of all current humans back to seven females that lived 150,000 years ago.

I might have to read that as well. I've heard that there's more genetic diversity in a single troupe of monkeys than the entire human race...which seems to point to there being a point in man's early evolution that we were almost entirely wiped out. Interesting.

 

[conjur]

You should also check out The Journey of Man

 

[zephyrprime]

That article does not state we evolved from apes. At least not apes in the sense of the current species of apes. We both have a common ancestor and split somewhere along the line.

Yes but that common ancestor would also be classified as an ape wouldn't it? Sure it's extinct now but that wouldn't stop it from being an ape.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

That article does not state we evolved from apes. At least not apes in the sense of the current species of apes. We both have a common ancestor and split somewhere along the line.

Yes but that common ancestor would also be classified as an ape wouldn't it? Sure it's extinct now but that wouldn't stop it from being an ape.

It might be clasified as an ape, bit it would be as far from modern apes as humans are and exactly as genetically different. Classification is a bit of an ego trip when humans do the classifying. There are two varieties of mice that are clasified as the same species that differ by 10% genetically whereas himans and chimps are separate species but only 1 or so % different. We would be classified as chimps if Martians were doing the classification.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: zephyrprime

That article does not state we evolved from apes. At least not apes in the sense of the current species of apes. We both have a common ancestor and split somewhere along the line.

Yes but that common ancestor would also be classified as an ape wouldn't it? Sure it's extinct now but that wouldn't stop it from being an ape.

It might be clasified as an ape, bit it would be as far from modern apes as humans are and exactly as genetically different. Classification is a bit of an ego trip when humans do the classifying. There are two varieties of mice that are clasified as the same species that differ by 10% genetically whereas himans and chimps are separate species but only 1 or so % different. We would be classified as chimps if Martians were doing the classification.

You tell em Moonie.