Evil republicans eeeeeeeeviiiiiilllll!!!!

[Juror No. 8]

They are free to not die or go bankrupt at the hands of for-profit hospitals.

Right, because for-profit hospitals kill people and make them go bankrupt. It's never the fault of the people who require the services of a for-profit hospital, it's always the for-profit hospital that's the bad guy.

To earn a living is to "kill" people and "make" them bankrupt!

It is a simple solution when you look through it through the right lens.

Let me guess, you have the "right" lens, correct?

Do you want a private police force?

A private police force that must compete with other private police forces for customers?

Yes, absolutely. Competition brings lower prices, better service, and a better product, as opposed to monopolies, which bring corruption, higher prices, lousy service, and crappier products. Since government represents a monopoly, it will never provide any service better than the free market could.

A private fire department?

Sure, why not? A private fire department that has to compete with other fire departments would provide a much better product than a government monopoly fire department.

A private prison system (oh whoops, we messed that up too)?

This wasn't "messed up" so much as it was the result of the government being in bed with for-profit prison corporations.

Our version of private prisons can only be blamed on government fascism, not the competitive free market.

It just doesn't make logical sense that healthcare should be controlled by private interests.

Yes it does. In fact, it makes the most sense of all.

Private interests = Competition
Competition = Lower prices, more choice, better product
Lower prices, more choice, better product = Better health care system

You are making money on other peoples accidents, ailments, and suffering.

So? What do you propose? Slavery? Should we just impose a system that forces people to care for other people, lest they be "making money" off them?

People have a right to freely earn a living. Nobody wants to be a slave doctor.

 

[ivwshane]

Not a single one of your arguments are based on reality, they are all straw man arguments and false choices.

Your world does not exist nor has it ever, except maybe in your warped disgruntled little mind. Luckily for us, your time on this earth won't last forever

 

[Acanthus]

Right, because for-profit hospitals kill people and make them go bankrupt. It's never the fault of the people who require the services of a for-profit hospital, it's always the for-profit hospital that's the bad guy.

To earn a living is to "kill" people and "make" them bankrupt!

You do realize that prohibitively high pricing accomplishes both of the negatives?

Yes, absolutely. Competition brings lower prices, better service, and a better product, as opposed to monopolies, which bring corruption, higher prices, lousy service, and crappier products. Since government represents a monopoly, it will never provide any service better than the free market could.

Sure, why not? A private fire department that has to compete with other fire departments would provide a much better product than a government monopoly fire department.

This wasn't "messed up" so much as it was the result of the government being in bed with for-profit prison corporations.

Our version of private prisons can only be blamed on government fascism, not the competitive free market.

Oh man, another one of those "the markets fix everything" people. We have tried the free market path. It doesn't work. You can't have a free market and competition for a service that someone HAS TO HAVE. You have eliminated greatest variable in the free market equation, choice.

I took the liberty of removing the quotes that were nonsensical arguments that attempted to twist my own words.

 

[Juror No. 8]

You do realize that prohibitively high pricing accomplishes both of the negatives?

There was no such thing as "prohibitively high pricing" until government got involved in the health care industry.

I'm not sure why you think government will fix the problem that government created. Since when has that ever happened?

Oh man, another one of those "the markets fix everything" people. We have tried the free market path.

LOL, when?

It doesn't work.

Sure it does. It works just fine. Free markets always work better than government controlled markets. Always.

You can't have a free market and competition for a service that someone HAS TO HAVE.

Sure you can, and I see no reason to believe otherwise. Food, shelter, clothing, medical care... all of these necessities have been and can be provided by competitive free markets.

You have eliminated greatest variable in the free market equation, choice.

Nonsense. A person needs food, for instance, and the free market provides numerous choices at competitive prices.

I took the liberty of removing the quotes that were nonsensical arguments that attempted to twist my own words.

Perhaps you should try constructing sensible arguments then?

I certainly haven't seen any yet.

 

[ivwshane]

Of course the senile old man forgets about the monopolies early on and he forgets about sweat shops and child labor. He forgets about the employees that had to riot to get better pay and strike outs. He also forgets how companies manipulated the market (Enron? Do you remember them?) to raise prices. He ignores the instability in the market when income disparity grows out of control. He forgets about the discrimination of people regardless of ability to pay. More importantly he forgets that we aren't the only country with natural resources and how we live in a global economy.

But I bet he remembers the good ole days when white men held most of the power and people could hate out in the open without feeling ashamed. He remembers when women were subservient to men and stayed at home and made him diner and took care of the house while he worked.


He remembers when he had it good but forgets when everyone else had it bad.


Just let him and those like him babble on and remember the good ole days, just nod and smile and continue working to improve the world we live in now, for everyone, while he remembers and disappears into the past.

 

[nehalem256]

Well I hate kids and my money is being spent on schools so...
I hate the police and fire fighters and my tax money goes there too so...
I hate the military as well and yet my taxes go there too so...
I also hate corporations and yet my tax money goes there too so...

None of the above impede me from being free to have those views and none of those things force me to do something I don't want to do.

Your issue isn't the policies that you don't agree with, your issue is that you don't want to pay into the system that has been set up this way since its creation.

Again, if you don't like America and how it's been ran since birth feel free to GTFO! Your view is counter to American values.

(1) Hating children is not a value

(2) Hating police and firefighters makes you a lying moron. What is next are you going to hate roads too?

(3) Pretty much the same as 2.

(4) Pretty much a lie. Although for example Liberals seem to have to problem with this when the companies are supporting "green" energy.

EDIT: And irrelevant. Once again you are basically saying well "there are things I don't like too" so STFU.

Why didn't liberals take that advice on the Iraq War?

 

[Emos]

Not a single one of your arguments are based on reality, they are all straw man arguments and false choices.

Your world does not exist nor has it ever, except maybe in your warped disgruntled little mind. Luckily for us, your time on this earth won't last forever

He sounds like an Ayn Rand disciple.

 

[Anarchist420]

Essentially means they believe the US is a Christian nation founded on Christian values blah blah bleeeeeh... The good news is the percentage among Republicans has dropped 14 points in 8 years. If that trend continues, it could mean the religious right could be taken down a notch in a decade, and effectively sidelined in two.

The Jeffersonian Founding of the 13 Colonies as Free and independent States was based on Judeo-Christian and Deist values but the union wasn't meant to be a nation (the Declaration was pro-decentralization, but I'm sure someone as smart as yourself knew it didn't intend for unionist legislation) and the first union got corrupted by Anglicans/Episcopalians (people in that institution corrupted Christianity along with the Church of Rome) so that lead to the US gov losing its Original (i.e. Judeo-Christian and Deist) heritage.

Don't worry about the Republicans. In other words, be prepared to defeat them. You're bright enough to do so if you listen to Dr. Paul and what Rothbard said. Just try to understand them, because they aren't religious. Dr. Paul has Deistic tendencies because he believes in evolution and rationally so. It's a shame Obama was pro-black when he entered office and that the MSM may have initially fooled him into not initially listening to Dr. Paul, but Obama knows much better now. He was trying to get a pro-market message out at the last debate, but he was too intimidated by Romney's aggression.

 

[Acanthus]

The Jeffersonian Founding of the 13 Colonies as Free and independent States was based on Judeo-Christian and Deist values but the union wasn't meant to be a nation (the Declaration was pro-decentralization, but I'm sure someone as smart as yourself knew it didn't intend for unionist legislation) and the first union got corrupted by Anglicans/Episcopalians (people in that institution corrupted Christianity along with the Church of Rome) so that lead to the US gov losing its Original (i.e. Judeo-Christian and Deist) heritage.

Don't worry about the Republicans. In other words, be prepared to defeat them. You're bright enough to do so if you listen to Dr. Paul and what Rothbard said. Just try to understand them, because they aren't religious. Dr. Paul has Deistic tendencies because he believes in evolution and rationally so. It's a shame Obama was pro-black when he entered office and that the MSM may have initially fooled him into not initially listening to Dr. Paul, but Obama knows much better now. He was trying to get a pro-market message out at the last debate, but he was too intimidated by Romney's aggression.

Honestly, it's only a matter of time before the republicans have to move toward the center and be a viable option for young people again. As the boomers die off you're going to see the far right crazies become less and less relevant.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I didn't know healthcare had a moral compass.

Of course it does . What responsiablity does each person have for others health . The present thinking is we should shoulder the burden of the poor . I agree up to the point of thats persons health . If they are sick by all means help them thats from birth or latter life mishaps or onset of sickness . But if one is healthy and one will not work because of excuse no work thats were it get dicy. How does one judge anothers efforts at making a better life for ones self . A healthy persons that has never been ill has to pay high premiens because of OTHERS health . DOES NOT set well with me. A poor person that makes no effort to better themselves makes themselves sick in a high percentage of cases and cost the system alot of money .

As heartless as it may sound I believe in natures law survival of the fitest. It cleans the genepool so that man can evolve . Heel yourselves by living intune with nature not against . In a war between Mother Earth and Man . Mother wins hands down

 

[nehalem256]

As heartless as it may sound I believe in natures law survival of the fitest. Its cleans the genepool so that man can evolve . Heel yourselves by living intune with nature not against . In a war between Mother Earth and Man . Mother wins hands down

How dare you!

Only those cold-hearted evil Republicans believe in things like evolution

 

[Nemesis 1]

How dare you!

Only those cold-hearted evil Republicans believe in things like evolution

How does one become what one becomes without evolution . I believe in God and evolution. After all change is evolution . It goes 2 ways for better or worse., At present man has choosen threw its LEADERS to go backwards as the gene pool is becoming more and more contaminated

 

[WHAMPOM]

Technically everything is question of morality from a certain perspective. From some perspectives the entire Constitution is a piece of morality.

But in the context of the question that Gallup asked, "morality" is implicitly defined to mean a higher value system than government policy (religious, cultural, etc) which is the definition I'm using.

Right, we need tax free non-gov/organizations to go out and collect these funds as they do now, 90% in their pocket and 5% to those in need.