eVGA to bring hybrid PhysX/graphics

[zebrax2]

eVGA to bring hybrid PhysX/graphics card on Halloween

My main concert would be price

 

[OCGuy]

Wow, interesting!

 

[thilanliyan]

There better not be a huge price premium because if PhysX does not take off...you'd have paid extra for something unnecessary.

 

[bryanW1995]

I think that's a very good idea. Right now physix can still be a hassle, plus a novice could be concerned about drivers, having 2 cards installed at once, power issues, etc. If you enjoy a lot of the physix titles then this could be a very good selling point for evga, it will keep them in the game when many others are in the dark age between gt200b and gt300. also, it will probably be able to command enough of a price premium that nvidia should be able to profitably provide chips for it.

 

[akugami]

Interesting product but I get the feeling it will command a premium. I would have loved a dual GPU card that does PhysX or acts as a SLI'ed video card (selectable in driver). Now that would definitely be worth a premium.

 

[crisium]

So a $119-$135 card + a 209-$260 card = a $328 - $395 card?

Can't a GTX 275 handle physx decently well by itself? I know there's Physx benchmark of some GTX 200 card attached to an 8800GTS G92, someone care to find it? I'm curious how much difference 128 shaders make.

 

[toyota]

seems like an odd time to release this with new tech not that far off. I do like the thought of the card but I would hate to spend extra money for something that only a couple of games will need. plus if physx does tank over the next few months you will have a pretty worthless and laughable card on your hands.

 

[SSChevy2001]

Sorry, but this has to be a very stupid move on Nvidia part.

Who in there right mind will buy a GTX275 + GTS250 combo card for $349-419. when they can buy a 5850 + GTS250 combo for $370.

That 5850 combo will more than likely beat even a GTX285 + GTS250 combo, and still have eyefinity / DX11 to boot.
http://www.hardocp.com/article...hysx_gameplay_review/9

But I guess this is why Nvidia block physx when ATi is detected.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
There better not be a huge price premium because if PhysX does not take off...you'd have paid extra for something unnecessary.

Physx has already taken off.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
There better not be a huge price premium because if PhysX does not take off...you'd have paid extra for something unnecessary.

Physx has already taken off.

I think you have taken off because clearly you have to be very high to believe that. Batman AA is the only game that physx even did anything remotely impressive. even then we all know that besides the cloth effects that those things could basically be done without hardware physx. before you argue i am simply referring to how Nvidia implements it in the first place.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Physx has taken off about as gracefully as the Spruce Goose. With enough cash and persistence you can make just about anything fly, at least for a little while. This card has no market at all, it's a desperate marketing attempt nothing more.

 

[crisium]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
There better not be a huge price premium because if PhysX does not take off...you'd have paid extra for something unnecessary.

Physx has already taken off.

I think you have taken off because clearly you have to be very high to believe that.

Ok, now I love you. At least temporarily. That was amazing.:laugh:

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
Physx has taken off about as gracefully as the Spruce Goose. With enough cash and persistence you can make just about anything fly, at least for a little while. This card has no market at all, it's a desperate marketing attempt nothing more.

Well, what else does Nvidia have to offer yet to compete with AMD's new cards? It's good to see EVGA at least trying to innovate, and it already has some use as there are a handful of hardware Physx games out already. But with that being said, I'd never pay the premium for it. Isn't a GTS250 level GPU overkill for Physx? I thought all that was needed was a 64SP level card to run Physx, is more than that needed? I guess this gives you room to grow as Physx gets more complicated, assuming it still exists down the road. Anyway, this seems like a nice 'clean' solution if you want Physx.

This thing might just be a little a head of it's time, in a few years it's quite possible that graphics cards might sell with a dedicated PPU (either seperate silicon, or built into the GPU) as part of the card.

It's too bad Nvidia pulled the ability to run their cards as a PPU with AMD GPU's, it'd be quite the sight to see a vendor who sells both GPU makers build this type of card, a 5870 GPU with a GTS250 as a PPU.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: toyota
Batman AA is the only game that physx even did anything remotely impressive. even then we all know that besides the cloth effects that those things could basically be done without hardware physx. before you argue i am simply referring to how Nvidia implements it in the first place.

Actually IMO the PhysX effects in Batman were not very impressive. I think Cryostasis was more impressive (at least as a tech demo since gameplay was not very good) with all the water effects.

Oh and check this out:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...p=4075229&postcount=21
:laugh:

 

[lavaheadache]

Originally posted by: Crisium

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
There better not be a huge price premium because if PhysX does not take off...you'd have paid extra for something unnecessary.

Physx has already taken off.

I think you have taken off because clearly you have to be very high to believe that.

Ok, now I love you. At least temporarily. That was amazing.:laugh:

this thread just took a left hand turn. Interesting card to say the least. I've been happy with the GTX280 and 9600GT combo. Price would be the primary deal breaker for this card. I'm sure it will cost too much for what it's actually worth

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
There better not be a huge price premium because if PhysX does not take off...you'd have paid extra for something unnecessary.

Physx has already taken off.

Like a single-engine cessna. With a leak in the gas tank.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
There better not be a huge price premium because if PhysX does not take off...you'd have paid extra for something unnecessary.

Physx has already taken off.

Like a single-engine cessna. With a leak in the gas tank.

nice one :laugh:

 

[Genx87]

This is actually a pretty cool idea for somebody like myself who only got a single x16 PCIE slot MB.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
Sorry, but this has to be a very stupid move on Nvidia part.

Who in there right mind will buy a GTX275 + GTS250 combo card for $349-419. when they can buy a 5850 + GTS250 combo for $370.

That 5850 combo will more than likely beat even a GTX285 + GTS250 combo, and still have eyefinity / DX11 to boot.
http://www.hardocp.com/article...hysx_gameplay_review/9

But I guess this is why Nvidia block physx when ATi is detected.

People who dont have dual PCIE slots they can put in two video cards.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
There better not be a huge price premium because if PhysX does not take off...you'd have paid extra for something unnecessary.

Physx has already taken off.

I think you have taken off because clearly you have to be very high to believe that. Batman AA is the only game that physx even did anything remotely impressive. even then we all know that besides the cloth effects that those things could basically be done without hardware physx. before you argue i am simply referring to how Nvidia implements it in the first place.

There are probably more titles that utilize PhysX than fully utilize DirectX10.

 

[SSChevy2001]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: SSChevy2001
Sorry, but this has to be a very stupid move on Nvidia part.

Who in there right mind will buy a GTX275 + GTS250 combo card for $349-419. when they can buy a 5850 + GTS250 combo for $370.

That 5850 combo will more than likely beat even a GTX285 + GTS250 combo, and still have eyefinity / DX11 to boot.
http://www.hardocp.com/article...hysx_gameplay_review/9

But I guess this is why Nvidia block physx when ATi is detected.

People who dont have dual PCIE slots they can put in two video cards.

Sure just buy a PCI-E x1 to x16 adapter. You really don't need a x16 bandwidth for running PhysX calculations.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...a&ref=dynamitedata.com

Here's a low profile 9800GT to go with that.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/..._-14-187-061-_-Product

5850 + PCI-E adapter + 9800GT = $390

 

[nOOky]

I have always thought that to move the PhysX chip onto the gpu would be the smart move. I'm a big fan of keeping my case free of another card, it probably will lower the power consumption a bit, and it won't block the airflow. Probably easier on the driver side to boot. I may be wrong.
I might also then pay a small premium for an nvidia card then if it came so equipped. A small premium, not 50% more.

 

[Compddd]

Or you could just wait and buy a fermi that will destroy games and physx at the same time most likely.

Btw Wreckage the troll is funny

 

[v8envy]

Originally posted by: nOOky
I have always thought that to move the PhysX chip onto the gpu would be the smart move. I'm a big fan of keeping my case free of another card, it probably will lower the power consumption a bit, and it won't block the airflow. Probably easier on the driver side to boot. I may be wrong.

I would think the effect would be opposite from what you expect. The lion's share of energy use is the GPU and memory, not the circuit board. All you're changing is the mounting. The card itself would be generating more heat in a smaller space, so would need more exotic cooling or be clocked lower or run at higher voltage than otherwise.

If it were me I wouldn't have spent the $ on developing and validating the hardware and the software for this product. I just can't see it as being valuable enough to enough people to pay a significant premium over simply using 2 cards or one faster card. At $420 this is not far from previously seen 295 hot deals.

 

[yh125d]

Interesting solution. As already mentioned, nice for people with one slot. I always like seeing neat stuff like this, even if it's not really a big project or anything. Kinda reminds me of that 3870x3 card