eVGA 5900SE - Anyone notice blurry text?

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Sephy

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Regardless, Coolbits shouldn't detect something below the real clock settings. I have messed with Cleartype's adjuster, no good. I tried image sharpness, nothing, I mean it fixes it but it looks horrible.

I have a Hitachi SuperScan Elite 751. Had it for years now.
 
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Pete

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Originally posted by: Sephy
Does this look slightly blurry to anyone? I'd really like to avoid RMAing it if I'm dreaming.


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ROFL! Excuse me while I wipe the tears from my eyes.... :D Sorry, I didn't mean to be condescending, but it appears you made a common mistake, and we've all been suggesting solutions to a different problem. :)

Firstly, truly blurry 2D is caused by poor signal quality outputted by your particular hardware, so you can't take a "screenshot" of the pixels for us see the same blurriness--we'd just see your pixels through our setup (be it blurry or crisp). Only an actual photo of the monitor output would be a reasonable way of demonstrating the blurriness you see, and even then that photo would be, again, filtered through our own unique display paths (different video cards and monitors).

But the "blurriness" in the pic you show is Cleartype. Cleartype is optimized for LCDs, not CRTs, as it uses subpixels to achieve higher resolution (here's a thorough explanation). Precisely activating individual subpixels is easy to do with an LCD, but near impossible on a CRT. If Cleartype is your problem, you have two options:

1) Turn off Cleartype and lose the red and green fringing (the "blur") along with the nicely rounded text.
2) Maybe try to adjust Cleartype with MS's tweaker so it may look better on your CRT at your res, or bump your res to make the subpixel colors harder to see.
 
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Sephy

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1) Cleartype has worked fine for me in the past, and I won't turn it off.
2) I said I've done the tweaking already, did nothing.

I'm most likely RMAing the card tomorrow.
 
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Sorry, I missed that you already tried tweaking CT. It sounds like you may just have a card with poor signal quality, in which case an RMA is your only option. The pic you posted won't show us the blurriness you see, though.

Let us know if your RMA'ed card is any better.
 
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jmsabatini

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Originally posted by: Sephy
Just installed my old Ti4200 in and it looks great. RMAing the card.
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I had the same problem you did with my 5900SE, but I figured I'd live with it. Then the card stopped working in my home rig completely after about a week and a half, and I was forced to RMA it. Strangest thing: The machine would boot up until the point that Windows XP was to show the login screen, and the monitor would just be black. Put in my old Ti4200, everything's fine. The 5900SE worked in my office machine and I simply couldn't figure out what made it not work in my home machine. Power supply? 300W at home, which I would think should be enough.

 
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Originally posted by: cindy22
My previous 5900fx ultra in 2d and 3d , image quality look kind of faint or blurred too. Once I returned and bought ati's 9800 pro it was like night and day everything looks so much crisp, clearer and more vibrant than nvidia's, games also run faster with aa and af with resolutions settings set to high.
My friends who also changed over to ati noticed the same things I did.

heres an article also saying that ati has better image quality :

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heres another article ,this one says that ati has more crisp and vibrant 2d image quality :



2D image quality between ati and nvidia
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Cindy for christ's sake, you're like a bloody robot. All you do is spout the same old same old stuff in thread after thread. As someone said, give it a rest. Preferably permanently...:beer:
 
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Originally posted by: Sephy
Does this look slightly blurry to anyone? I'd really like to avoid RMAing it if I'm dreaming.


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lol, ya that looks really blurry to me. but then again i am running an old 8mb vanta and i can't even get more than 60hz becuase nvidia's drivers won't install on my rig. :D


but seriously, my point is that what you presented is a framebuffer grab and it gets pushed though our ramdacs and out to our monitors before either of us see anything. as for your new card looking blurrier than your last one, these things happen. not all companies have the same quality control, and it is hardly an issue of ati or nvidia being any worse or better. chiantech has always been really good, i imagine evga just doesn't hold quite the same standards you are accustomed to.
 
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Sephy

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Theres definitely a problem. Its not about standards I'm used to. Its about non eye-straining 2D :)
3D was also way below par in performance.
 
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carbonium

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I just received my EVGA 5900SE today from newegg and the analog side looks blurry. My Asus Ti4200 looks sharp and defined yet the EVGA 5900SE looks blurry on my 21" CRT. If you've ever added 6 or 10 foot Extension on your monitor cable you'll see the same effect.

I've found a partial fix. It seems like signal quality on the EVGA 5900SE's Analog out is not up to par, lot's of cross signal contamination. Try hooking up your monitor via the DVI Connector and the supplied Analog adaptor. Reboot and you should see a somewhat clearer image. Not perfect but much better then using the analog side. My Ti4200 is still clearer though.
 
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Pete

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Bah, I thought nV's days of sub-par 2D were over with, particularly on MSRP $200 cards.
 
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Originally posted by: Pete
Bah, I thought nV's days of sub-par 2D were over with, particularly on MSRP $200 cards.
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Its not NVIDIAs fault Evga has crappy color replication.

Compare a Leadtek to an Evga and youll see what i mean :)
 
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Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Pete
Bah, I thought nV's days of sub-par 2D were over with, particularly on MSRP $200 cards.
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Its not NVIDIAs fault Evga has crappy color replication.

Compare a Leadtek to an Evga and youll see what i mean :)
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My eVGA 5900 is crystal clear dude. Whats up?

 
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Pete

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5900 SE?

Sure it's not nV's fault, but I hope we don't have to warn people to watch out for poor signal quality with nV cards. I don't think ATi cards have had this problem, even with their recently expanded roster of OEMs (although a resurrected thread at B3D indicates Transcend's R7000 may have poor signal quality, low on the totem pole as that chip is). I don't mean this to be an ATi vs. nV issue. I just think it gets tiresome for consumers to have to dodge all these pitfalls. Falling back to shoddy signal quality isn't encouraging.
 
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Keysplayr

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Just ordered the BFG 5900nu for 169.00 at GameVE.com.
Just couldnt pass it up and I can install it in my wifes rig for when my buddy comes over. CoD over LAN ya know.

Doesnt come with any games but for that price, its a phenomenal deal.

Keys
 
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merlocka

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evga 5900SE here on a Song G520.

I'm impressed with the 2D quality, it's equal or better to the ATI 9600 I previously owned.
 
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