Everyone who drinks does drugs.

[Randum]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Auryg

Every time you take a drink you're killing off a bit of your brain. Screw that. I know most of ATOT (as opposed to P&N )relies on their brain more than anything else for their own well being, so why hurt it in order to have fun when you can have just as much fun doing other things. You'll be safer, it'll be a hell of a lot cheaper, and you'll actually remember it.

Almost all of the bad decisions/things my sister has done in her life is when she was drunk. My grandmother and grandpa are alcoholics, and she's heading down that path too..yet she can't seem to let up because it's the only way she knows to have fun now. I don't know the last time she actually went out with friends without drinking; and it's that way for a lot of late teenagers/early twenties people. It's ridiculous.

You don't have to drink to get smashed every night, and obviously that's a pretty efficient way to ruin your life

I don't know how old you are, or what kind of background you come from, but the vast majority of my friends, family, and colleagues enjoy a quiet drink every now & then.

Most of those people are successful white collar professionals, and I can't see any evidence that alcohol is ruining their lives or careers. It's not going to turn you into a dribbling retard either, whatever you may think.

Just because members of your family are alcoholics, or appear to have a clear disposition to alcoholism, doesn't mean that most of society shouldn't be allowed a glass of red wine with dinner

Just because something has the potential for abuse doesn't mean you have to prohibit it, otherwise you'd have to ban anything with a sharp edge, or indeed allowing anyone to get out of bed every day.

its like cars should be illegal cause you definitely can go over 100 mph in school zones...

 

[MikeyLSU]

OP, you are missing one key difference in the two things.

One is illegal, the other is legal.

That by itself makes one worse than the other. I drink sometimes, but don't do any drugs. If drinking was made illegal and you could go to jail for being caught with any on you, I wouldn't drink anymore.

Doesn't matter which is really worse for you, but one person is breaking the law doing it, the other is not.

And I can agree with some things that overdrinkers can be just as bad as any drug. BUT, moderate drinking is better than moderate drug use IMO.

 

[TwiceOver]

OP: You really don't need to be an asshole to make a point. I understand both sides to this arguement and I agree that alcohol is a drug and thefore if you drink you are "technically" a drugie. Most any substance, illegal or not, has some sort of addictive qualities. While some people do get a little "high on their horse" over people doing drugs, then turn around and have a drink, they aren't doing anything wrong... legally. Now... As soon as law enforcement can come up with a way to quickly determine how much THC is in someones system (dui stop), you can be sure as shit that the Gov't will legalize and tax the shit out of it.

BTW... You are still an asshole.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: hscorpio
People use pot in the same ways people use alcohol. Some use it very moderately, some use it until they are fully intoxicated, while others just plain abuse it. Unfortunately the fact that pot is illegal skews the usage more towards always getting intoxicated just as alcohol prohibition resulted in a decrease in moderate beer/wine drinking and an increase in hard liquor drinks.

That is complete nonsense. I had more than my share of pot in HS and for a few years afterwards. I've never seen anyone smoke pot and not get stoned. When drinking alcohol, there is a big range between completely sober and completely hammered. When smoking pot, you pretty much go from not being stoned to being stoned. There is no gradual progression. Nobody gets just a slight buzz when they are smoking pot.

Of course, none of that changes the fact that marijuana should be completely legal. In fact, all drugs should be completely legal for anyone 18 and older. But drug use should not be a factor in determining the severity of punishment for any actions. So if someone wants to ruin their life by becoming a crack addict, go for it. But if they commit robbery to get money to buy their crack, they should be punished just as severely as someone who commits robbery just for fun.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: hscorpio
People use pot in the same ways people use alcohol. Some use it very moderately, some use it until they are fully intoxicated, while others just plain abuse it. Unfortunately the fact that pot is illegal skews the usage more towards always getting intoxicated just as alcohol prohibition resulted in a decrease in moderate beer/wine drinking and an increase in hard liquor drinks.

That is complete nonsense. I had more than my share of pot in HS and for a few years afterwards. I've never seen anyone smoke pot and not get stoned. When drinking alcohol, there is a big range between completely sober and completely hammered. When smoking pot, you pretty much go from not being stoned to being stoned. There is no gradual progression. Nobody gets just a slight buzz when they are smoking pot.

Of course, none of that changes the fact that marijuana should be completely legal. In fact, all drugs should be completely legal for anyone 18 and older. But drug use should not be a factor in determining the severity of punishment for any actions. So if someone wants to ruin their life by becoming a crack addict, go for it. But if they commit robbery to get money to buy their crack, they should be punished just as severely as someone who commits robbery just for fun.

Then you must be in the membership of very weaksauce people.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: hscorpio
People use pot in the same ways people use alcohol. Some use it very moderately, some use it until they are fully intoxicated, while others just plain abuse it. Unfortunately the fact that pot is illegal skews the usage more towards always getting intoxicated just as alcohol prohibition resulted in a decrease in moderate beer/wine drinking and an increase in hard liquor drinks.

That is complete nonsense. I had more than my share of pot in HS and for a few years afterwards. I've never seen anyone smoke pot and not get stoned. When drinking alcohol, there is a big range between completely sober and completely hammered. When smoking pot, you pretty much go from not being stoned to being stoned. There is no gradual progression. Nobody gets just a slight buzz when they are smoking pot.

Wait, what? That's not true at all from my experience.

KT

 

[alkemyst]

<don't drink don't smoke what do you do> nef </don't drink don't smoke what do you do>

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: hscorpio
People use pot in the same ways people use alcohol. Some use it very moderately, some use it until they are fully intoxicated, while others just plain abuse it. Unfortunately the fact that pot is illegal skews the usage more towards always getting intoxicated just as alcohol prohibition resulted in a decrease in moderate beer/wine drinking and an increase in hard liquor drinks.

That is complete nonsense. I had more than my share of pot in HS and for a few years afterwards. I've never seen anyone smoke pot and not get stoned. When drinking alcohol, there is a big range between completely sober and completely hammered. When smoking pot, you pretty much go from not being stoned to being stoned. There is no gradual progression. Nobody gets just a slight buzz when they are smoking pot.

Wait, what? That's not true at all from my experience.

KT

Someone has been wikipediaing...

 

[Flammable]

hai guys

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Alcohol on its own doesn't taste good. No amount of bullshit that you spew will change that. It tastes slightly like gasoline and will kill you if you drink 100% pure alcohol. Weed can't kill you, no matter how much you smoke you just fall asleep. You don't wake up with alcohol poisoning or vomiting either.

No one claimed that pure alcohol tastes good. They claimed that beverages that contain alcohol taste good. Why do you think there's a variation in price among alcoholic beverages that contain the same amount of alcohol? Why can a bottle of wine cost hundreds of dollars? Because it tastes good!

However, in order to correct your apples to oranges comparison, I suggest that if you're going to compare pure alcohol to marijuana, you compare it to pure THC. (Which can kill you if you take enough, but "enough" is very very very unlikely to be consumed by a person.) Furthermore, people smoke pot for the high it gives, not the flavor.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Alcohol on its own doesn't taste good. No amount of bullshit that you spew will change that. It tastes slightly like gasoline and will kill you if you drink 100% pure alcohol. Weed can't kill you, no matter how much you smoke you just fall asleep. You don't wake up with alcohol poisoning or vomiting either.

No one claimed that pure alcohol tastes good. They claimed that beverages that contain alcohol taste good. Why do you think there's a variation in price among alcoholic beverages that contain the same amount of alcohol? Why can a bottle of wine cost hundreds of dollars? Because it tastes good!

However, in order to correct your apples to oranges comparison, I suggest that if you're going to compare pure alcohol to pure (whatever the chemical is that gets you high.) Furthermore, people smoke pot for the high it gives, not the flavor.

I have to disagree. Properly grown F1 strains can taste like anything under the sun, from cheese to fruit to gasoline. Cannabis can be compared to beer. Sure you can go out and buy a bunch of shit for cheap, or you can go drop serious money and get crazy flavor and other nuances not found in the inferior product.

I've been a pot head for about five years now, and I can honestly say that I don't smoke bad weed, just like I don't drink Bud or Miller. If quality can't be found, I don't go to the next best just to get high. It's kind of a total package thing, flavor, aroma, appearance, head (different meaning than the beer head, akin to overall affect on the body)

And as far as comparing grain alcohol and weed, I agree with DrPizza that it is an unfair comparison. A better one would be the liquor to hash, or perhaps kief.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Canai
And as far as comparing grain alcohol and weed, I agree with DrPizza that it is an unfair comparison. A better one would be the liquor to hash, or perhaps kief.

You can taste hash/kief/goo/whatever. It tastes good. Everclear and 151 taste like burning.

 

[Vic]

The drug intoxication/potency scale looks like kind of like this: Alcohol>Heroin>Meth>Cocaine>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Marijuana>Tobacco>Cough syrup>Aspirin

Seriously. And no gradual progression with marijuana? That's comical. All drugs have a gradual progression of intoxication based on dosage and potency. No one smokes pot for the flavor? Of course they do, stoners take quality very seriously.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Canai
And as far as comparing grain alcohol and weed, I agree with DrPizza that it is an unfair comparison. A better one would be the liquor to hash, or perhaps kief.

You can taste hash/kief/goo/whatever. It tastes good. Everclear and 151 taste like burning.

Kief tastes amazing, but oil is bleh. Real hash (pressed kief) is good too, but a lot of the 'hash' for sale on the street is not hash at all.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Canai
And as far as comparing grain alcohol and weed, I agree with DrPizza that it is an unfair comparison. A better one would be the liquor to hash, or perhaps kief.

You can taste hash/kief/goo/whatever. It tastes good. Everclear and 151 taste like burning.

Kief tastes amazing, but oil is bleh. Real hash (pressed kief) is good too, but a lot of the 'hash' for sale on the street is not hash at all.

Well if we're having this conversation...

Kief takes on the taste of it's parent, only in a more condensed form. So OG kief is fucking amazing. Tastes like lemony greatness. Schwag kief, not so much.

Hash when it's dry is crap. tastes like burning. Full melt, or close to it, I would describe in same way as kief. Hash can be done in different ways, so I guess it would depend on which kind of hash you're referring to...

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Canai
And as far as comparing grain alcohol and weed, I agree with DrPizza that it is an unfair comparison. A better one would be the liquor to hash, or perhaps kief.

You can taste hash/kief/goo/whatever. It tastes good. Everclear and 151 taste like burning.

Kief tastes amazing, but oil is bleh. Real hash (pressed kief) is good too, but a lot of the 'hash' for sale on the street is not hash at all.

Well if we're having this conversation...

Kief takes on the taste of it's parent, only in a more condensed form. So OG kief is fucking amazing. Tastes like lemony greatness. Schwag kief, not so much.

Hash when it's dry is crap. tastes like burning. Full melt, or close to it, I would describe in same way as kief. Hash can be done in different ways, so I guess it would depend on which kind of hash you're referring to...

After the crop is cut, when you stick it in the bags with varying micron screens, and then either heat or press the kief into solid blocks. Basically one solid block of ruptured trichromes.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Canai
And as far as comparing grain alcohol and weed, I agree with DrPizza that it is an unfair comparison. A better one would be the liquor to hash, or perhaps kief.

You can taste hash/kief/goo/whatever. It tastes good. Everclear and 151 taste like burning.

Kief tastes amazing, but oil is bleh. Real hash (pressed kief) is good too, but a lot of the 'hash' for sale on the street is not hash at all.

Well if we're having this conversation...

Kief takes on the taste of it's parent, only in a more condensed form. So OG kief is fucking amazing. Tastes like lemony greatness. Schwag kief, not so much.

Hash when it's dry is crap. tastes like burning. Full melt, or close to it, I would describe in same way as kief. Hash can be done in different ways, so I guess it would depend on which kind of hash you're referring to...

After the crop is cut, when you stick it in the bags with varying micron screens, and then either heat or press the kief into solid blocks. Basically one solid block of ruptured trichromes.

Ah, that kind. There are other ways however.

 

[hellokeith]

The roads are bad enough with drunk drivers, ricers, soccer moms, and grandma's.. we really don't need a flurry of stoned drivers added to the mix.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Canai

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: Canai
And as far as comparing grain alcohol and weed, I agree with DrPizza that it is an unfair comparison. A better one would be the liquor to hash, or perhaps kief.

You can taste hash/kief/goo/whatever. It tastes good. Everclear and 151 taste like burning.

Kief tastes amazing, but oil is bleh. Real hash (pressed kief) is good too, but a lot of the 'hash' for sale on the street is not hash at all.

Well if we're having this conversation...

Kief takes on the taste of it's parent, only in a more condensed form. So OG kief is fucking amazing. Tastes like lemony greatness. Schwag kief, not so much.

Hash when it's dry is crap. tastes like burning. Full melt, or close to it, I would describe in same way as kief. Hash can be done in different ways, so I guess it would depend on which kind of hash you're referring to...

After the crop is cut, when you stick it in the bags with varying micron screens, and then either heat or press the kief into solid blocks. Basically one solid block of ruptured trichromes.

Ah, that kind. There are other ways however.

Yeah finger hash is alright as well, but I like blocked kief heh. A few houses ago, this black crackhead named "Blue" used to come around and sell 'hash' to my roomate. It was black, full of chunks of stems, and cut with opiates. I don't know why he kept buying it. I even ran an extraction on a quarter of it and ended up with a bit of horrid oil that tasted like nothing I've ever seen before. Blegh.

 

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
The roads are bad enough with drunk drivers, ricers, soccer moms, and grandma's.. we really don't need a flurry of stoned drivers added to the mix.

So we should ban ricers, soccer mom's, and grandma's from driving.

Canai- YGPM

 

[yukichigai]

Well I hate to encourage him but I am smoking a giant doobie right now while I pound down a few shots, so he's at least right about me.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
The roads are bad enough with drunk drivers, ricers, soccer moms, and grandma's.. we really don't need a flurry of stoned drivers added to the mix.

I agree. With snow and ice on the roads, even normal people can't seem to be able to comprehend that they don't stick as well and fly all over the road :frown:

But yeah here in Madison it's legal to possess small amounts (under 34 grams I believe) in your house, which is where I do all my smoking. Back in high school I went on roadies all the time because I had nowhere else to smoke, and I was a dumb kid. Now that I have somewhere I can do as I please, there's no reason to go out.

 

[meltdown75]

sure, bump this thread now that i'm at home and nice and cozy....

hmmmmmmmm

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: hellokeith
The roads are bad enough with drunk drivers, ricers, soccer moms, and grandma's.. we really don't need a flurry of stoned drivers added to the mix.

You think they're not out there already?

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: DT4K

Originally posted by: hscorpio
People use pot in the same ways people use alcohol. Some use it very moderately, some use it until they are fully intoxicated, while others just plain abuse it. Unfortunately the fact that pot is illegal skews the usage more towards always getting intoxicated just as alcohol prohibition resulted in a decrease in moderate beer/wine drinking and an increase in hard liquor drinks.

That is complete nonsense. I had more than my share of pot in HS and for a few years afterwards. I've never seen anyone smoke pot and not get stoned. When drinking alcohol, there is a big range between completely sober and completely hammered. When smoking pot, you pretty much go from not being stoned to being stoned. There is no gradual progression. Nobody gets just a slight buzz when they are smoking pot.

Wait, what? That's not true at all from my experience.

KT

Someone has been wikipediaing...

Me? Definitely not.

KT