Everyone who advocates taking away the driver's licences of the elderly: How do you expect them to get around?

notfred

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There's been a lot of support on this site lately for the mandatory retesting or revocation of the driving priveledges of the elderly once they reach a certain age. There's something to be said for this, as people's reactions do deteriorate as they age. There's one major problem with this, though: How do you expect these people to get around?

Plenty of people don't retire at 65, many work until 70 or later. Just like the rest of us, many of these people have long commutes to work. How are these people supposed to support themselves if they're not allowed to get to work? We all know that the public transportation scenario in most aprts of this country is pretty poor. There are very few places where someone can travel more than a few miles by bus or train in any timely fashion. You can't expect a lot of bicycling out of people who may have arthritis or osteoperosis or other medical conditions, and even if there are busses or trains, many older people may have difficulty walking a mile to the nearest bus stop.

If the US had a public transportation system like Europe does, this would seem a lot more feasible, but we dont. The fact is that muchm if not most, of the US is set up so that the ONLY practical method of transportation is by car. So what do people do when their cars are taken away? Apply for welfare because they can no longer get to work? Have thier groceries delivered?

No one seems to have considered this whole aspect of the, "Old people are dangerous, they should lose thier licenses!" issue.
 

Kipper

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Well, MOST US cities had major streetcar systems set up in the early part of the 20th century which worked efficiently, but corporate greed kicked in. GM, Firestone, and several other companies set up front companies and bought out the street car operators, then quietly put them out of business while simultaneously lobbying politicians for bus & car-friendly roads.

In the majority of urban areas public transportation is still a viable method of travel...or it once was.
 

Lenine

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I don't think that mandating all people over x age may not drive is fair.

I do think that all people over a certain age need a retest.


I understand that some people may not be able to get to work, or may be inconvenienced, if they fail the test. It is however in all road user's best interests that all drivers be able to drive competently. I don't think its fair to endanger our roads to let people who can't drive drive.
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: Lenine
I don't think that mandating all people over x age may not drive is fair.

I do think that all people over a certain age need a retest.


I understand that some people may not be able to get to work, or may be inconvenienced, if they fail the test. It is however in all road user's best interests that all drivers be able to drive competently. I don't think its fair to endanger our roads to let people who can't drive drive.

You did not even attempt to answer the question in the slightest.
 

Lenine

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: Lenine
I don't think that mandating all people over x age may not drive is fair.

I do think that all people over a certain age need a retest.


I understand that some people may not be able to get to work, or may be inconvenienced, if they fail the test. It is however in all road user's best interests that all drivers be able to drive competently. I don't think its fair to endanger our roads to let people who can't drive drive.

You did not even attempt to answer the question in the slightest.


Well, then my answer is not by driving.

I don't know about the U.S. but in Canada we have a city bus service in many towns larger than a few thousand. For like $50 a month or $2 a trip you can go pretty much anywhere within city limits. The buses run early in the morning till late at night.

I have taken the buses before and they are always on time.

Around Toronto area if you need to go into the city or to surrounding cities you can take the GO train/buses.


 

Spencer278

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I really don't care. If they are blind in one eye and can't see out the other they shouldn't be driving.
 

Legendary

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How they get around is not my concern - not getting hit by an elderly person who does not meet the requirements to operate a motor vehicle is.
 

Ornery

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Originally posted by: Lenine

I don't know about the U.S. but in Canada we have a city bus service in many towns larger than a few thousand. For like $50 a month or $2 a trip you can go pretty much anywhere within city limits. The buses run early in the morning till late at night.

I have taken the buses before and they are always on time.

Around Toronto area if you need to go into the city or to surrounding cities you can take the GO train/buses.
Good call. We spend a flippin' fortune in taxes for empty buses to drive around our county. Only reason people even voted for their existence, is because they tied their service to the elderly's Dial-A-Ride program, which already existed. I'd have no problem with filling those empty buses with poor driving old people!
 

mugs

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Why bother with this question? Most of the people on these boards who say old people shouldn't be allowed to drive are teenage males. The irony of that is lost on them.
 

ucdnam

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If they're not fit to drive, then they'll need to cope with that and find ways to deal with it. They can move closer to work, walk or bus to go shopping, and so on.
 

Malak

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There are 2 types of people around here that kill often with their car. The drunk and the elderly. They both deserve to lose their license. They either drive too slow or too fast.

It's true, some elderly can drive normal. But obviously there's no system in place to weed out the bad ones which is probably at least 80%.
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: mugs
Why bother with this question? Most of the people on these boards who say old people shouldn't be allowed to drive are teenage males. The irony of that is lost on them.
"Old people" who can't drive correctly should lose their licenses, not every last person. There's a huge difference there.
 

dman

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I don't advocate taking the licenses away based on age; I'd prefer that after a certain age more testing needs to be performed (as the OP mentioned). If they are worried about age discrimination then perhaps it should be done every 5 years no matter whom, and wouldn't have to be done at the DMV, private companies could do it, etc. Could be doctors and a reaction time test or something. Perhaps at certain thresholds you can still drive but only at certain hours of the day, etc. On this subject, I suggest stronger driving tests for new drivers of all ages. It's pretty easy to get your license and keep it...

Of course, if people lose their ability to drive based on the tests, then they would need to use public transportation or sell their vehicle and use a taxi or other private service. If you think about it, they'd save $1000 or so a year in insurance alone, nevermind car payments and maintenance costs, and of course gas. You just have to plan more. $1000+ buys a lot of private transportation (but not as much as your own car would). And if it'sa multi-driver household then the other party now is the driver, that simple.

That said it's very inconvenient and a burden on everyone, but, so is driving into farmers markets, storefronts, or ponds, etc. If it were a standard across the board people would have to plan for it along with their retirement funds, etc. Not like that helps anything...

I agree most places are not public transportation friendly, but, maybe they would be if more folks would use it / need it. Perhaps it'd even get cheaper as folks would cater to the senior market?

Ah well.





 

pulse8

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If someone can't handle a car it's up to them to figure out how else to get around. It's the same for anyone else that loses their license for any other reason.