Everyone loves to rave about Nissan's VQ V6...why no more credit given to Honda's SOHC V6 range?

[NFS4]

Everyone loves to yap about the VQ V6, but what about Honda's SOHC V6 range? I think it's pretty good as well:


Accord: 3.0 liters, 200 HP @ 5500 RPM, 195 lb-ft @ 4700 RPM

3.2TL/CL: 3.2 liters, 225 HP @ 5600 RPM, 216 lb-ft @ 4700 RPM

3.2TL Type-S/CL Type-S: 3.2 liters, 260 HP @ 6100 RPM, 232 lb-ft @ 3500 RPM

Pilot: 3.5 liters, 240 HP @ 5400 RPM, 242 HP @ 4500 RPM

 

[Atrail]

I thought everyone knew Honda was the best automaker around

 

[Rent]

Drive both and you'll understand

 

[phatcow]

Originally posted by: Radeon
Drive both and you'll understand

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Nissan ~ Driven

Honda ~ Blah

And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Nissan's VQ used in the Maxima, Altima, and G/Q/35? (The luxury Maxima) Those are all different engines right? (The Honda/Acuras I mean) (And hell you can't even get the Accord V6 with a stick!)

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Nissan ~ Driven

Honda ~ Blah

And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Nissan's VQ used in the Maxima, Altima, and G/Q/35? (The luxury Maxima) Those are all different engines right? (The Honda/Acuras I mean) (And hell you can't even get the Accord V6 with a stick!)

The VQ is used in different variations in the 350Z, Altima, Maxima, Pathfinder, QX4, I35, G35, and Murano.

You can't get the G35 with a stick either...at least not until about 6 months from now

The 3.0, 3.2, and 3.5 liter Honda VTEC's all share a common architecture.

And I'm not saying that the VQ isn't superior...it's just that Honda's SOHC range is no slouch either and I think they should get some more credit.

 

[CraigRT]

the Nissan 3.0L DOHC imho is one of the best engines ever built.. it has been on 10 best engines list up until it's retirement last year. and now the 3.5 is on the list.. i think that is why we rave about that engine more than anyone else's. Honda's engines are good, but they are not gem like the Nissan.

 

[BigSmooth]

Originally posted by: NFS4
Everyone loves to yap about the VQ V6

Praising something that deserves praise shouldn't be considered "yapping".

Anyhoo, Honda obviously makes very solid engines, or else their cars wouldn't be so reliable. Besides, I've heard enough people "yap" about the S2000 engine that poor Honda shouldn't feel too left out.

 

[Rallispec]

becuase they can get 287hp out of the VQ, nearly 30 more than honda's best--- on a car that wieghts a good amount less than the TL


and after you've driven a V6 maxima and a V6 accord and felt the difference, you'd understand why.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Rallispec
becuase they can get 287hp out of the VQ, nearly 30 more than honda's best--- on a car that wieghts a good amount less than the TL


and after you've driven a V6 maxima and a V6 accord and felt the difference, you'd understand why.

I did NOT say that the VQ wasn't incredible. I'm just saying that the Honda's engines deserve some credit too. If Honda wanted to pimp out their 3.5, I'm sure they could.

Honda's SOHC range powers a number of vehicles from 3.0 to 3.5 liter of displacement and each one of those vehicles is pilar of reliability and smoothness.

 

[andylawcc]

i guess what NFS4 is trying to say is the Honda V6 should get more recognition just as the Nissan's... afterall, they are "just" V6s for non-racing applications (well, except the tuned VQ for the Z and G35 coupe). and beside, the amount of raves on the VQ engine I personally see in this board is as much as ppl raving Ferrai's and Porsche's combined!.

well, one explaination I can think of is Nissan has a better marketing strategy. Nearly all Nissan cars and trucks has that engine, so whenever a commerical for anyone of those cars ppl will think "Ah, its that award-winning 3.5 V6 engine thingie again."

whereas on the Honda only has two cars fitted with the powerful 3.2, chances of ppl recognizing it are less than Nissan's.
btw: the CL is about to get axed. (not the MB CL )

 

[Rallispec]

and i think that becuase nissan is now on the turn around from being pretty low down on the car manufacturer food chain just 3 years ago... its more like an underdog... and much more of an car enthusiasts car company than honda.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: andylawcc
i guess what NFS4 is trying to say is the Honda V6 should get more recognition just as the Nissan's... afterall, they are "just" V6s for non-racing applications (well, except the tuned VQ for the Z and G35 coupe). and beside, the amount of raves on the VQ engine I personally see in this board is as much as ppl raving Ferrai's and Porsche's combined!.

well, one explaination I can think of is Nissan has a better marketing strategy. Nearly all Nissan cars and trucks has that engine, so whenever a commerical for anyone of those cars ppl will think "Ah, its that award-winning 3.5 V6 engine thingie again."

whereas on the Honda only has two cars fitted with the powerful 3.2, chances of ppl recognizing it are less than Nissan's.
btw: the CL is about to get axed. (not the MB CL )

Yeah, I've been hearing rumors of the he CL's demise as well. It's a damn shame b/c they just got it PERFECT with the CL Type-S 6-speed. Everyone is proclaiming it as the best FWD chassis ever and the 6-speed is typical Honda goodness. And it's pretty damed fast as well and is nearly a 1 for 1 match with the 330Ci for about $8,000 less.

But no matter, that just leaves more 3.2 liter V6's (most likely the 225 HP variant) to go into the Accord

 

[ElFenix]

i seem to recall the torque curve on the VQ being the best on a v6, reminscent of a I6 or maybe even a V8.

the VQ is smooth as buttah too... drove and accord and an altima the same day, the accord was harsh in comparison.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: andylawcc
i guess what NFS4 is trying to say is the Honda V6 should get more recognition just as the Nissan's... afterall, they are "just" V6s for non-racing applications (well, except the tuned VQ for the Z and G35 coupe). and beside, the amount of raves on the VQ engine I personally see in this board is as much as ppl raving Ferrai's and Porsche's combined!.

well, one explaination I can think of is Nissan has a better marketing strategy. Nearly all Nissan cars and trucks has that engine, so whenever a commerical for anyone of those cars ppl will think "Ah, its that award-winning 3.5 V6 engine thingie again."

whereas on the Honda only has two cars fitted with the powerful 3.2, chances of ppl recognizing it are less than Nissan's.
btw: the CL is about to get axed. (not the MB CL )

Yeah, I've been hearing rumors of the he CL's demise as well. It's a damn shame b/c they just got it PERFECT with the CL Type-S 6-speed. Everyone is proclaiming it as the best FWD chassis ever and the 6-speed is typical Honda goodness. And it's pretty damed fast as well and is nearly a 1 for 1 match with the 330Ci for about $8,000 less.

But no matter, that just leaves more 3.2 liter V6's (most likely the 225 HP variant) to go into the Accord

the CL isn't as nice looking as the accord coupe has been. the end of it is just weird. when you get down to it its pretty similar to a loaded out accord coupe... it has a couple extra HP and a year longer warranty, but then the gas is a little more... the accord coupe is also slightly larger inside. and then the accord is also easily $4000 less. so when you put the two next to each other a lot of people will get the accord.

 

[LikeLinus]

Am i the only one who could give a crap less? My wife drives a Maxima SE, that's one bad ass car. But i know i wouldn't be caught dead in a freaking honda? No thanks.

 

[psteng19]

Because plain and simple, the VQ is better.

Even if Honda's V6 was a close 2nd, no one ever remembers who comes in 2nd anyway

Nissan ~ Driven

 

[Rallispec]

Originally posted by: psteng19
Because plain and simple, the VQ is better.

Even if Honda's V6 was a close 2nd, no one ever remembers who comes in 2nd anyway

Nissan ~ Driven

exactly. does anybody remember who lost the superbowl last year?

 

[dawheat]

Supposedly the 3L V6 in the Accord is quite detuned and should easily hit 240 hp in the new Accord. And of course- it should have i-VTEC which should result in improved low and mid-range response.

But the VQ V6 is the best passenger car V6 available right now- it deserves all the accolades it has received. The only thing i dislike about the powertrain is the throttle response- the G35 has plenty of grunt but the throttle isn't BMW precise- its far to light and on-offish.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: psteng19
Because plain and simple, the VQ is better.

Even if Honda's V6 was a close 2nd, no one ever remembers who comes in 2nd anyway

Nissan ~ Driven

exactly. does anybody remember who lost the superbowl last year?

I don't even remember who won...

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

IMO, the Duratec 3L V6 is just as good as either Honda V6's.

Edit: I'm curious why BMW doesn't put a detuned 3.2L M3 engine in more of its cars. Efficiency? Cost?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: KnightBreed
IMO, the Duratec 3L V6 is just as good as either Honda V6's.

Edit: I'm curious why BMW doesn't put a detuned 3.2L M3 engine in more of its cars. Efficiency? Cost?

The 3.0 Duratec V6 isn't nearly as refined as the 3.0 liter V6 in the Accord or even the silky 220 HP 3.0 liter V6 in our Highlander (I just love stomping on the gas to hear it rev). The Duratec is a bit rough around the edges and has a coarse sound to it.

 

[RossMAN]

Nissan ~ Overhyped

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Nissan ~ Overhyped

Possibly

Vehicle -- Make -- Model -- May 2002 -- May 2001 -- 2002 YTD -- 2001 YTD

Honda Accord -- 32,131 -- 37,954 -- 148,486 -- 178,610
Nissan Altima -- 19,070 -- 13,374 -- 84,686 -- 62,644
Nissan Maxima -- 7,310 -- 10,629 -- 49,974 -- 45,559

Honda Civic -- 30,731 -- 32,365 -- 126,380 -- 127,909
Nissan Sentra -- 9,261 -- 9,933 -- 45,332 -- 40,698

Acura 3.2 TL -- 5,825 -- 5,606 -- 26,520 -- 29,459
Infiniti G35 -- 3,298 ----- -- ----- -- 8,731 -- -----
Infiniti I35 -- 2,076 -- 2,801 -- 11,955 -- 14,740

Acura 3.5 RL -- 667 -- 1,056 -- 3,841 -- 4,332
Infiniti Q45 -- 294 -- 686 -- 1,676 -- 2,707

 

[Jejunum]

now the real question is why subaru's horizontally opposed 6 gets no love..comon guys! its smooth as "buttah"

btw 212 HP @ 6000 rpm, Torque 210 @ 4400 rpm