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Everyone knows the problem is the nation is broke, cut spending

That's a really powerful line.

Thing is, it's largely not true.

The country actually has a whole lot of money. Huh? Really? Ya. But we've hugely concentrated that money with a few people, so most of the country 'feels poorer'.

Why, l look at that big debt! That means we're out of money! No, it doesn't. It means that to protect the concentration of wealth, they've happily run up the public debt.

While the US economy has doubled in size, all growth after inflation has gone to the very top - none to the bottom 80%, a little to the next 18%, a huge amount to the top 0.1%.

Imagine a married couple where one spouse spends a fortune on what they like, and says 'we're broke' whenever the other wants anything. Imagine a company that doubles in size, and the compensation for the executives goes up ten times, but they refuse to hire more workers, adding to their requirements and not giving them any raise, saying 'we're broke'.
Imagine your city building a lavish new gym and olympic swimming pool and 4-star restaurant only for use by city hall staff, while closing all the libraries, saying 'we're broke'.

You get the idea. This works well as long as the side getting screwed isn't too aware of the imbalance. And that's what they're doing with wealth in the country.

There isn't much publicity for the way corporate profits and stored cash are soaring, how the richest people are going up multiples in wealth, during this period.

It's important to them to have the 'we're broke' line stick with people, to get their support for cutting the American people's share of spending, as part of the concentration of wealth.

'Sorry honey, we have to end your gym membership, cancel your vacation, and put you in a cheaper car, because we're broke' (Actually, because I want a new wine for the rack).

So, 'we're broke' - political pragmatism, or propaganda for the rich to screw the American people yet again, getting their support to very selectively cut spending - after a period of adding tax breaks and loopholes for the wealthy after stirring up 'we hate taxes' hysteria to build public support for that.

The American people are not doing well at getting informed and recognizing the lies they're being told.

Here's a link to a study which documents the facts supporting the conclusion this is about a 'phony austerity to mask the increased concentration of wealth:

http://www.ips-dc.org/reports/unnecessary_austerity_unnecessary_government_shutdown

As a web page comments on the report:

A timely reminder, with numbers and visuals, that our current "debt crisis" in no way had to happen. If corporations and the rich simply paid taxes at the same rate as they did in 1961 - with Bush-era policies primarily to blame for their decline - the debt would vanish.
 
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When the Democrats decide that capitol gains are what's needed to be taxed and then act on it call me. Go ahead and raise Buffets income taxes to infinity and he'll still be better off than the middle class in terms of percentage paid.
 
Why bother comparing Obama to Bush? Saying Obama is better than Bush is akin to saying that the guy who rapes you is better than the guy who stabs you.

Sure, he's better - but I still would rather not get raped.
 
😀 +1

Apparently one is never broke as long as there are others to rob.

I think that is somewhat true, I mean at what point does the concentration of wealth become too great? How few people must have 90% of the money before even the ideological find it to be an issue?
 
Why bother comparing Obama to Bush?

My first version of the post did not discuss that or have the chart.

It was added for those who would wrongly say 'you said there's no spending issue'. I'd actually prefer it's not part of the thread.

So, I think I'll try removing it and see how it goes.
 
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It all boils down to the massive wealth disparity this past decade. That is the problem! But taxing citizens in a depression only to lose wars that essentially just funnel more wealth to the top. The rich are the government and they pay themselves with government. Its rather clever.

Tax reform can fix this, but it will take years in collections. But if can scare off the rich into other countries maybe it will be worth it to shake off these parasites and out of our government.
 
It all boils down to the massive wealth disparity this past decade. That is the problem! But taxing citizens in a depression only to lose wars that essentially just funnel more wealth to the top. The rich are the government and they pay themselves with government. Its rather clever.

Tax reform can fix this, but it will take years in collections. But if can scare off the rich into other countries maybe it will be worth it to shake off these parasites and out of our government.

Good points. The problem with 'tax reform' is it can help or hurt. Who's designing it?
 
Because the post by Craig is 100% correct. There is plenty of wealth in this country. We create our own problems by allowing a large portion of it to be hoarded by a few evil ones. The answer is simple and effective: Tax the Rich!
 
I must be on his ignore list.


You're not alone, when Craig logs in this is what he see's ...

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Because the post by Craig is 100% correct. There is plenty of wealth in this country. We create our own problems by allowing a large portion of it to be hoarded by a few evil ones. The answer is simple and effective: Tax the Rich!

That's not enough...

There is legitimacy to both sides.
 
When the Democrats decide that capital gains are what's needed to be taxed and then act on it call me. Go ahead and raise Buffets income taxes to infinity and he'll still be better off than the middle class in terms of percentage paid.

Exactly right. Call me too!
 
Because the post by Craig is 100% correct. There is plenty of wealth in this country. We create our own problems by allowing a large portion of it to be hoarded by a few evil ones. The answer is simple and effective: Tax the Rich!

And when you come to the very sudden realization that that is not even close to enough?
 
Because the post by Craig is 100% correct. There is plenty of wealth in this country. We create our own problems by allowing a large portion of it to be hoarded by a few evil ones. The answer is simple and effective: Tax the Rich!

And when you come to the very sudden realization that that is not even close to enough?

That's true, it's not enough.

It's a start. And so is cutting a lot of waste and free handouts.
 
There is legitimacy to both sides.

If by "both sides" you mean "spending and cutting", yes.

If by both sides you mean "the side that says spending and cutting, and the side that says 'let's abuse our power to approve this by holding it hostage to demand things we want and threaten the economy, and that includes forcing our pledge taken for political gain to 'not raise any taxes' on the nation however much they're needed', then no, there's not.
 
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