Everyone in Virgin, Utah HAS to have a gun!

[classy]

<< Classy, it looks like your stupid statistics got pimp slapped.

Statistics NEVER tell the whole story. They just tell the story that someone wants you to hear.

Jim >>



Hmmm no offense there people. But that leads right into my biggest arguement against guns. So its a great place to live. With good people who are well educated and well off. So if this is the case, why the need for guns? The number one arguement of gun advocates is for protection, right? Well if this so nice of a place to live, why does everyone need a gun? Who are they protecting against? And don't give me this criminal stuff either. In a town of only 250-300 people everybody knows everybody. And it doesn't sound like much of a tourist spot either. So if its so great of a place to live Triple, who are they prepared for war against? Their neighbor?

 

[Amused]

<<

<< Classy, it looks like your stupid statistics got pimp slapped.

Statistics NEVER tell the whole story. They just tell the story that someone wants you to hear.

Jim >>



Hmmm no offense there people. But that leads right into my biggest arguement against guns. So its a great place to live. With good people who are well educated and well off. So if this is the case, why the need for guns? The number one arguement of gun advocates is for protection, right? Well if this so nice of a place to live, why does everyone need a gun? Who are they protecting against? And don't give me this criminal stuff either. In a town of only 250-300 people everybody knows everybody. And it doesn't sound like much of a tourist spot either. So if its so great of a place to live Triple, who are they prepared for war against? Their neighbor? >>



Classy, did you read this?:

"Aint nobody there? Keep thinking that. Virgin is at the gateway of Zion National Park. Check visitation rates per season to see how many people are in the town. "

 

[classy]

<< Hehe... Yeah, T-shot!

What do you expect from someone in New Jersey??

amish >>



Hey hey watch that NJ stuff, pal. We may be living on top of each other, lol, but there is much love here. Just stay out a few places and things are great And my stats came from US census. When I read that I knew right away it had to be a very small place and I was right. It is very very very small. I just assumed it would be like a farm community considering the income level was kinda low. I was wrong there as Trip pointed out.

 

[classy]

<<
Classy, did you read this?:

"Aint nobody there? Keep thinking that. Virgin is at the gateway of Zion National Park. Check visitation rates per season to see how many people are in the town. " >>



Dude there 250-300 people in the town, period. Out here in Jersey, if you go down 40 there are several towns you'll pass through on the way to AC that have only a few hundred in them. But the point is all the people who pass through there don't live there. And its the same for this town as well. And I bet more people travel through to AC than any park in America.

 

[glenn1]

<< So if this is the case, why the need for guns? The number one arguement of gun advocates is for protection, right? Well if this so nice of a place to live, why does everyone need a gun? Who are they protecting against? >>



I can see your the reason for your curiousity that led you to ask this question, but i don't see the need for the people there to answer it either. Does it really matter to you in New Jersey whether someone in Virgin, Utah owns a gun or not? Similarly, does it matter to someone in Utah whether you own a gun? You've already stated that it's not really somewhere you'd want to live, so i don't see why the question is pertinent. Say that Collingswood, New Jersey passed a law that required every resident to wear only red clothing on Tuesdays. It would sound a bit odd to someone in Utah, but it wouldn't affect them in any way, so why would they have the right to question the law passed by your legislators, who represent you the citizens of the town?

 

[PCResources]

<< Encouraged gun ownership would be cool >>



Yup, especially for the criminally insane.... Stupidity knows no limits...

Patrick

 

[classy]

<<

<< So if this is the case, why the need for guns? The number one arguement of gun advocates is for protection, right? Well if this so nice of a place to live, why does everyone need a gun? Who are they protecting against? >>



I can see your the reason for your curiousity that led you to ask this question, but i don't see the need for the people there to answer it either. Does it really matter to you in New Jersey whether someone in Virgin, Utah owns a gun or not? Similarly, does it matter to someone in Utah whether you own a gun? You've already stated that it's not really somewhere you'd want to live, so i don't see why the question is pertinent. Say that Collingswood, New Jersey passed a law that required every resident to wear only red clothing on Tuesdays. It would sound a bit odd to someone in Utah, but it wouldn't affect them in any way, so why would they have the right to question the law passed by your legislators, who represent you the citizens of the town? >>



True true. I see your point. My point wasn't so much the people, but the gun law instead. I stand by my conviction that most people who make arguments for all these guns live in places where they really have no crime. I find it very difficult to believe that a town this small has crime issues. So in that reasoning I find it extremely weird and quite frankly dumb that this town would require every home to have a gun. That is ridiculous. Glenn1 if this was say maybe down past 4th and Franklin in Wilmington on a hot summer night, I could see it. See what I'm saying.

 

[Tripleshot]

Its not intirely Classys fault. If you can't get out and see the rest of the world as I have,then you must resort to print media and statistics to make assesments. This just happens to be one of those cases where statisitics mean nothing. Southern Utah is the mecca for LDS retirees. It has been for as long as RV's have been rolling down the interstate. We called them snowbirds,because they came here to warm themselves in the winter,far fronm the cold of Idaho,Wyoming,Northern Utah.
It is so pretty here and such a nice place to live,they sold their businesses and ranches and moved here permantely,bringing their wealth and knowledge with them.

Classy,get away from Jersey and see some of the rest of America. I traveled the US for 8 years. I have been almost everywhere in the lower 48 and 3 provinces of Canada. This place beats most eveywhere I have been,with perhaps the acception of the Columbia river gourge,or the Colorado Rockies. But those are close enough for me to visit anytime to recharge my batteries.

No harm, no foul.


Edit....

BTW, the Attorney General of Utah just bich slapped the town for this,so you are right on.It was truly a dumb move. Farmers don't make good politicians,and we have plenty of farmers here who get elected,not on what they know,but more because the whole community knows them. Its like a game they play here now. Just up the road,in Leeds, the community went afoul of the law and voted itself a UN free town. Now that makes alot of sense.

Another exmple of special interest groups affecting local government. I guess that will be the modus operindi for the wackos to get into politics.

Enjoy!

 

[Viper GTS]

This place beats most eveywhere I have been,with perhaps the acception of the Columbia river gourge

Oregon gets honorable mention.



Viper GTS

 

[PCResources]

Classy, i did not get the point of your post, would you care to elaborate?

Patrick

 

[Tripleshot]

Viper GTS

I thought about retiring there in Oregon for awhile,until I spent to many trips there in the friggin rain.

Washinton state is only nice up the I5 coridore and it rains there too,plus the snow in the mountain passes canbe a real bitch. My wife does not want to live where driving in snow would be a necessity at any given time of the year. Go figure.

But Oregon is nice,and would be nicer if you can get control of that damn pine bettle.

 

[Viper GTS]

I don't care for the rain, but the thing about the gorge I don't like is the wind. It's a gorgeous area, but the wind can be a real bitch. That & the snow.

Viper GTS

 

[Tripleshot]

but the thing about the gorge I don't like is the wind

Wind surfers heaven down by the Dalles. Oregon is on the list for vacation adventures. Home is here,safe and secure.

 

[classy]

<< Classy, i did not get the point of your post, would you care to elaborate?

Patrick >>



Since you have accused me of not answering questions in the past. I will elaborate.
My point is this. This town is a prime example of of one of the biggest arguements I have against gun advocates. The #1 reason gun people say they have their guns is for protection. The 2nd amendment right. Well most of these gun advocates say thats the reason, but live in places where there is no crime. This town is example A. There are 250-300 people. How much crime do you think they have? I would asume they all know each other. I would venture to say that the threat of criminal or violent activity is very remote and non existent completely. So for them to stand and make a rule for everyone to own a gun is stupid. Chances are they would shoot family or friends. I have brought his arguement many times for it to be glossed over. Most of the guys on this board have enough guns and ammo to start a small war. And they say its for protection. But yet when I ask where do you live, they live in places where crime is not even an issue. So if you live where the lack of crime directly contradicts your reasoning for owning a gun, why do you have one? You don't hunt with a Glock? Do you? So this town falls into that category, it is unneccessary to require these people to own guns. I think anyone with common sense can see this is way out of line and maybe out of touch with reality all together.

 

[Viper GTS]

Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe the low crime and high gun ownership are related?

Viper GTS

 

[classy]

And oh Trip, I have been out of NJ. Been all down south. Fla., Miss, Texas. Loved Canada, was there last year and will probably go there again this year. I have never been that far west though.

 

[classy]

<< Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe the low crime and high gun ownership are related?

Viper GTS >>



No. That's silly. This is a small town. Probably family for the most part. When you have towns that small guns or no guns you ain't gonna have a problem with crime.

 

[Viper GTS]

A small community of unarmed pacifists seems like an excellent target, doesn't it?

Viper GTS

 

[Tripleshot]

Go west, young man,go west. We welcome you with open arms. Experience a culture that does not use paranoia and mistrust as the condition that predicates the lifestyle. We live longer and happier because there is less stress.

 

[classy]

<< Go west, young man,go west. We welcome you with open arms. Experience a culture that does not use paranoia and mistrust as the condition that predicates the lifestyle. We live longer and happier because there is less stress. >>



If I ever go west,
"I am going back to Cali"

 

[Tripleshot]

Viper,

The fact is this community, and southern Utah, is well healed in gun ownership and defense of the home. We have plenty of armement. Utah is a state that encourages conceal/carry ownership. Mess with someone here,and you may get popped by a derringer. Very popular here. We are upwards of 100,000 in population now,and it is expected to be 250,000 in the next decade. The same atmosphere will be in place,or we will run out whoever tries to mess it up. I have seen it happen before. It is precisely why people find this area so appealing.20 tearsa go,whejh I move here,the population was 26,000. No crime,we leave doors unlocked and keys left in the ignition. A criminal can not get out of town before law enforcement is down on their necks. There are few exits, and a total co-operation between agencies,local,county,federal,state.

There is such little crime the sherrif is pleading for tax revenue to keep the jail open. They need to populate it to get funds,so if you do drugs,or drink and drive here,the Sherrif has a home for you. We have so many cops here its mind boggling,but the retirees want them and pay for them. Godd deal in my book.

The Virgin Mayor went out of line and put the community in jeapordy by enacting this foolish,illegal ordinance. He will pay for this,but mark my words, the community is ready for any threats. Iwouldn't want to try and commit a property crime there. You will get shot. And our judges and cops will show no mercy for the criminal. Criminals have no rights here. We don't give a sh!t about criminals. Thats just the way it is.

 

[Sigity]

!!!!sdrawkcab

I can't believe that there are places like this in the US. Is there that much danger around where everyone needs to carry a gun? At what age do you get to carry one? Are kids toting around pistols and shotguns to school and such?

Its one thing to protect yourself, another to be a "tightly knit community that doesn't tolerate crime". Who tolerates crime? Does that make it okay to shoot someone?

you guys need to wake up and realize the times, and the world around you.


sig.

 

[Viper GTS]

Tripleshot

That's exactly how it's supposed to be. I only said that for Classy's benefit, since he seems to think a community like that doesn't need guns. An armed community is not an easy target, an unarmed one is.

Viper GTS

 

[glenn1]

<< I can't believe that there are places like this in the US. Is there that much danger around where everyone needs to carry a gun? At what age do you get to carry one? Are kids toting around pistols and shotguns to school and such? >>



I think that the people in Virgin, Utah, are probably asking the same thing about places like Compton, Watts, and Kensington (one of Philadelphia's finer neighborhoods). I'm sure that gang related shootings, for example, are not nearly as significant a problem in Utah as they would be where you live.

 

[Jfur]

<<
Hey, I've got a new law. Everyone has to own a Toyota. They're the only reliable means of transportation. >>



Amen!