Every penny you have earned until today goes to government..

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Craig234
So you don't understand the difference between irresponsible, corrupt spending (Bush), and spending to 'save the economy in a once in a century crisis' (Obama).

I completely disagree with both forms of out-of-control spending. I wouldn't describe either as prudent or responsible.

Obama said he had really not wanted to have his presidency forced to spend like this, and there's every reason to believe that, it's harmed his own agenda.

Lip-service.

Obama is ready and quite willing to sign the checks for whatever program(s) or initiatives his side of the aisle puts forth, including the stimulus package(s) that appear to have little, if any, forethought involved.

The consequences for these ridiculous checks will be felt for decades to come, or longer.

His refusal to allow banks to immediately return bailout money without penalties is a sign of things to come... bet?

 

[JSFLY]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: JSFLY
Again, I find this hard to believe given your liberal use of the racial epitaph "koolaid". But then you don't give a fuck so it's all good.

First off, the word you're looking for is "epithet"; an epitaph is a short line of verse carved into a tombstone. Second, koolaid is not a racial epithet; the origins of the phrase "drinking the koolaid" come from the People's Temple cult at Jonestown where over 900 cult members drank Koolaid laced with poison in the largest mass suicide in history. The phrase is thus about blindly following a group even if the group's actions will ultimately harm the follower.

Thank you for the grammatical correction.

As for word Kool aid, it has a double entendre, the second meaning being a poor black man's drink of choice.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kool-aid

Yes, we all know this. No, that's not how he was using it. Search koolaid in P&N and you'll find about 1000 hits 99% of which are about toeing the party line, not racially motivated.

If that's the case, Palehorse could have done a better job defending himself.

To Palehorse, my apologies for the insinuation.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: ericlp
Edit, I don't think anyone knows what a trillion dollars is. I think your a little too late. Hell, if bush can spend 6-7 trillion in 8 year I don't see why Obama can't spend 3 or 4 trillion in his 4 years... What's your problem?

uhhh, your math is way off. Obama is on a pace to spend 3-4 trillion in just his first year alone.

I figured we'd be screwed just trying to pay down the debt on bushes tab. Now if Obama can't turn things around with his plan then yeah... Were gonna be toast. China will own and laugh at us idiots even harder. If you gave bush 8 years, why not give obama a few years to see if he can make it better? I'm will to give him a chance just like I gave bush a chance.

See above.

Obama's spending habits are making Bush's spending habits look like a day in the park.

That said, the real problem is Congress. Both sides of the aisle are out of control. Period.

You arent account for the differences... Bush spent his way into this mess - Obama is spending to get us out. you act like the bailouts and stimulus "just for fun" type ventures. It sucks rocks, but we have to do it, or we WILL be in depression.

How does the koolaid taste today?

I voted for Obama, yet I will never buy into the "spend more to save us" bullshit. My question for you is this: How many more stimulus packages and bailouts are you willing to suffer?

EDIT: From your signature, it appears as though there might be hope for you yet... you're g'damn right his spending is starting to "stink"!

I know... I know. I dont like the spending, but he is doing it for a reason. Do I think its getting out of hand? hell yes - but its not the same as what Bush did. Right or wrong, just enough, or too much money - Obama is doing it because to do nothing=depression.

Oh, Bush had plenty of "reasons" for doing it as well. But, like Obama, his "reasons" were complete bullshit.

Obama is only doing it because some like-minded group of idiots convinced him that it was the only option. There are/were other options.

Congress just lovvvvves to write checks though, so the spending is what we get.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
No, government needs to raise taxes. If Americans actually had to pay for all the crap they feel they're entitled to, people might start to reconsider government's role in their lives. Instead we just deficit spend like mad, which shields citizens from the actual cost of government.

You think Americans spending beyond there means is a bad thing, therefore the solution to this problem is for the government to spend WAY WAY WAY beyond its means?

Basically you are saying that as if as a punishment for the the son maxing out the $500 limit on his credit card, the father should max out his own $25,000 credit card limit to teach him a lesson by bankrupting the whole family out of spite.

How did you get that from my post? I'm saying that government should raise taxes to cover any increases in spending they propose. That's called responsible fiscal policy; what we're doing now (deficit spending) is spending beyond our means.

:thumbsup:

The irony in all of this is that I would, for once in my life, support increased taxes. But, not if the spending continues to increase simultaneously. That's just plain fucked up.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: JSFLY
Again, I find this hard to believe given your liberal use of the racial epitaph "koolaid". But then you don't give a fuck so it's all good.

First off, the word you're looking for is "epithet"; an epitaph is a short line of verse carved into a tombstone. Second, koolaid is not a racial epithet; the origins of the phrase "drinking the koolaid" come from the People's Temple cult at Jonestown where over 900 cult members drank Koolaid laced with poison in the largest mass suicide in history. The phrase is thus about blindly following a group even if the group's actions will ultimately harm the follower.

Thank you for the grammatical correction.

As for word Kool aid, it has a double entendre, the second meaning being a poor black man's drink of choice.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kool-aid

Yes, we all know this. No, that's not how he was using it. Search koolaid in P&N and you'll find about 1000 hits 99% of which are about toeing the party line, not racially motivated.

If that's the case, Palehorse could have done a better job defending himself.

To Palehorse, my apologies for the insinuation.

I never even would have guessed that you were interpreting my original post as racial. That thought never crossed my mind... I mean, really?!

 

[sactoking]

'Tax Freedom Day' is a joke. According to 'Tax Freedom Day', I had paid off my tax debt on 4/13. According to my calculations, based on Tax Due on my 2008 return (for my HOUSEHOLD) the amount I pay as an individual is TWICE what my household owes. i.e., the TFD calculation says my individual burden is $X on 4/13 but reality says my household burden is $X/4.

My 'Tax Freedom Day', based on household earnings and taxes due, was February 4. (It was actually earlier than that since I will owe less in 2009, but whatever).

 

[DontMindMe]

Not getting much from my unemployment...:/

 

[JSFLY]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: JSFLY
Again, I find this hard to believe given your liberal use of the racial epitaph "koolaid". But then you don't give a fuck so it's all good.

First off, the word you're looking for is "epithet"; an epitaph is a short line of verse carved into a tombstone. Second, koolaid is not a racial epithet; the origins of the phrase "drinking the koolaid" come from the People's Temple cult at Jonestown where over 900 cult members drank Koolaid laced with poison in the largest mass suicide in history. The phrase is thus about blindly following a group even if the group's actions will ultimately harm the follower.

Thank you for the grammatical correction.

As for word Kool aid, it has a double entendre, the second meaning being a poor black man's drink of choice.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kool-aid

Yes, we all know this. No, that's not how he was using it. Search koolaid in P&N and you'll find about 1000 hits 99% of which are about toeing the party line, not racially motivated.

If that's the case, Palehorse could have done a better job defending himself.

To Palehorse, my apologies for the insinuation.

I never even would have guessed that you were interpreting my original post as racial. That thought never crossed my mind... I mean, really?!

I'm 25, 2 years out of college. I've never heard of the use of kool-aid to refer to a cult killing until today. I've always thought of it to mean a poor black dude who can only afford koolaid.

 

[frostedflakes]

Might want to lurk P&N more. Reminds me of the black hole incident.

I honestly don't see how calling Obama supporters kool-aid drinkers can possibly be construed as racist, at least if you bother to pay attention to the context in which the phrase is used. Googling the history of the phrase instead of jumping to conclusions helps as well.

http://www.city-data.com/forum...kool-aid-drinkers.html

People are stupid. Nothing new I guess.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: QuantumPion

Originally posted by: frostedflakes
No, government needs to raise taxes. If Americans actually had to pay for all the crap they feel they're entitled to, people might start to reconsider government's role in their lives. Instead we just deficit spend like mad, which shields citizens from the actual cost of government.

You think Americans spending beyond there means is a bad thing, therefore the solution to this problem is for the government to spend WAY WAY WAY beyond its means?

Basically you are saying that as if as a punishment for the the son maxing out the $500 limit on his credit card, the father should max out his own $25,000 credit card limit to teach him a lesson by bankrupting the whole family out of spite.

How did you get that from my post? I'm saying that government should raise taxes to cover any increases in spending they propose. That's called responsible fiscal policy; what we're doing now (deficit spending) is spending beyond our means.

You're right, I misread what you posted, I understand what you meant now and I agree.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: QuantumPion
Wait, so spending hundreds of billions on defense spending due to a war is corruption, but giving hundreds of billions to Unions, ACORN, and pork is a worthy cause that will somehow save the economy?

Liberalism: It's standing on your head and telling the world they're upside down.

Lol...."due to a war"?? Nice passive voice usage there.

How about "increased spending 10 fold to fund an optional war sold on a false premise while simultaneously cutting taxes needed to fund the war"??

Quantumpionism: It's using selective facts then acting defensive when people call you on your line of bullshit.

Increased spending 10 fold? You know it is so easy to actually check what the historical government spending was, why resort to such blatant lying? Here, I'll make it easy for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U..._States_federal_budget

It doesn't matter whether you support the war or not. The _Fact_ is that defense spending is not corruption (even allowing for childish Halliburton ranting). Directly giving billions of dollars to political organizations and supporters in a bill which no one even reads before signing, that IS corruption. There is no debate here.

Your cute quib about me further goes to show how Liberalism defames its critics of doing exactly what it is they are guilty of themselves. It's projection, straight out of basic psychology.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
April 13th is Tax Freedom Day.. which means every penny the average American has made up until today goes to the government. Its kind of freightening when you think about it. It was wrong when Bush did it, its wrong when Obama is doing it. Government needs to FINALLY say enough is enough and we need to stop spending! How long until we are working 50% of the time just to support government spending?

Wheh you recall your post from April 15 2008, I'll listen.