Boze
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This isn't uncommon. I bought Half-Life 2 and after I beat it I haven't touched it, except for one 3 hour game of HL2DM. I played through Doom 3 and haven't touched it since I bought it, not even to try the DM/CTF or anything else like that. I bought Metroid Prime and I played it and I beat it and I haven't played it since I beat.
Lots of people spend $50 on a game and don't play it after a month. Some people (myself included) spend $50 on a game and don't play it two weeks later.
Boze
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I've played MMORPGs since Meridian 59, then to Ultima Online (which I loved and still to this day love, but will not pay a monthly fee for), then to EverQuest, which was far and away the best MMORPG experience to date (I'll go into this later), then to Dark Age of Camelot, which held my interest for a few months, but then got boring fast, then back to EverQuest, and stayed there until City of Heroes, which I absolutely loved and enjoyed, and played until I was invited into WOW beta. Even though I was invited into WOW beta, I did buy EQ2 when it came out, and I did play the everloving crap out of it. In fact I have a level 45 templar, which I enjoyed very much. I also have a level 50 priest in retail WOW, which I also enjoy.
Here's the problem with The Big Two right now:
World of Warcraft:
Victim of its own success (over 800,000 subscribers... dear CHRIST that's twice as many as EQ2); overly simplistic once you learn the ins and outs of your class and have played other classes till about 30 to 40; but the most damaging aspect of WOW to itself is that everyone can solo. Easily. I mean STUPID easily. I see rogues fighting mobs their level or higher and losing about half of their life, then bandaging up to full life and they're ready to go again. More on why this is bad later on.
EverQuest2:
Slow-paced leveling and travel turns off some players; pathetically inept graphical engine (I don't give a crap how 'advanced' you say it is, it runs like sh1t - period, even on MY setup it runs like sh1t, and that's pathetic)
World of Warcraft should never have been an MMORPG. Hear me out on this... with each class pretty much able to solo unless they're completely retarded, why do you need me, a level 50 holy priest, to do anything that isn't an elite quest or instance? You don't. There are those players who enjoy having a big, badass priest by their side at all times to ensure that dying is pretty much not possible, but believe me, they are few and far between. Most people only want to group with each other when they absolutely need to. WOW is really just a single-player game that occasionally requires multiplayer.
EverQuest FORCED dependance on others because by the time you were hitting the mid 30s, soloing just wasn't a viable solution for leveling quickly. A finely tuned group could churn through the levels in no time, and I'm talking back at release, when a BIBS was the sh1t and everyone thought a Runed Circlet was the best cleric hat ever. EverQuest formed one of the tightest, strongest communities ever found in gaming circles because you had no choice but to depend on your fellow players. Not so with EQ2 and WOW nowadays... even as a priest, I don't 'need' a warrior to finish most of my quests - heck, I don't need anyone honestly, except maybe a mage to summon me some more 2994 pt mana regen water.
That's what missing from these games today, although EQ2 does a much better job than WOW of 'requiring' (and I use that word loosely) players to interact together.
People play MMORPGs to be social, to interact, and WOW is piss-poor at that. No interaction is really 'required'.
*sigh* I can't wait for Vanguard... till then, 50 holy/disc priest LFG for anything...
Here's the problem with The Big Two right now:
World of Warcraft:
Victim of its own success (over 800,000 subscribers... dear CHRIST that's twice as many as EQ2); overly simplistic once you learn the ins and outs of your class and have played other classes till about 30 to 40; but the most damaging aspect of WOW to itself is that everyone can solo. Easily. I mean STUPID easily. I see rogues fighting mobs their level or higher and losing about half of their life, then bandaging up to full life and they're ready to go again. More on why this is bad later on.
EverQuest2:
Slow-paced leveling and travel turns off some players; pathetically inept graphical engine (I don't give a crap how 'advanced' you say it is, it runs like sh1t - period, even on MY setup it runs like sh1t, and that's pathetic)
World of Warcraft should never have been an MMORPG. Hear me out on this... with each class pretty much able to solo unless they're completely retarded, why do you need me, a level 50 holy priest, to do anything that isn't an elite quest or instance? You don't. There are those players who enjoy having a big, badass priest by their side at all times to ensure that dying is pretty much not possible, but believe me, they are few and far between. Most people only want to group with each other when they absolutely need to. WOW is really just a single-player game that occasionally requires multiplayer.
EverQuest FORCED dependance on others because by the time you were hitting the mid 30s, soloing just wasn't a viable solution for leveling quickly. A finely tuned group could churn through the levels in no time, and I'm talking back at release, when a BIBS was the sh1t and everyone thought a Runed Circlet was the best cleric hat ever. EverQuest formed one of the tightest, strongest communities ever found in gaming circles because you had no choice but to depend on your fellow players. Not so with EQ2 and WOW nowadays... even as a priest, I don't 'need' a warrior to finish most of my quests - heck, I don't need anyone honestly, except maybe a mage to summon me some more 2994 pt mana regen water.
That's what missing from these games today, although EQ2 does a much better job than WOW of 'requiring' (and I use that word loosely) players to interact together.
People play MMORPGs to be social, to interact, and WOW is piss-poor at that. No interaction is really 'required'.
*sigh* I can't wait for Vanguard... till then, 50 holy/disc priest LFG for anything...
Grouping is required to complete elite quests and to get decent gear. By 50 most people are well versed in grouping and doing Maraudon or maybe even Sunken Temple. At 60 it's BRD/BRS, Stratholme & Scholomance. If you tend to spend a lot of time LFG as a priest... honestly, I don't know what to say... On my server all healers are at a premium, even as a shaman I get a lot of random tells asking if I'd like to join groups. I'm always wanted in guild groups and recently a guy has been organizing open 10-15 man raids on Scholo & Strath.
Agree with you there, WoW is great but tailored to the casual player - which I'm not. Always said though, that I only wanted it to hold me over till this title, and so far it's doing an excellent job.
I've stated my position on Sony and given examples. You've made one-liner responses because you have no argument. Seriously, if the Sony fanboys in this thread are indicative of the general EQ2 population (and judging by EQ1 at the end and the type of person it takes to put up with Sony, they are), I'd suggest sticking with WoW.
Bateluer
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Gurck, you are possibly the biggest WoW Fanboy I have ever met. Even though you haven't actually played EQ2, you still don't miss any opportunity to bash it. You are even worse than the WoW players I work with that bash EQ2. As least they listen to me when I talk about EQ2 and acknowledge WoW plethora of problems that render it unplayable during peak hours.
Now, I'm currently playing on the EQ2 Lucan D'Lere server.
Enrin - 28 Monk/31 Provisioner
Sairin - 15 Druid
Ohohia - 8 Scout
Drop me a tell and let me know who you are, and we'll go do some quests.
Lol, I contend that EQ2 sucks because <reasons a, b and c>, and most of that being the company behind it, you respond by ignoring it because I'm right and instead calling me a fanboy of the competition? After I've expressed dissatisfaction with said competition on a number of points? You fanboys make some incredible leaps of logic to keep your game/company/etc of choice on that pedestal in your minds
Bateluer
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Originally posted by: Gurck
Lol, I contend that EQ2 sucks because <reasons a, b and c>, and most of that being the company behind it, you respond by ignoring it because I'm right and instead calling me a fanboy of the competition? After I've expressed dissatisfaction with said competition on a number of points? You fanboys make some incredible leaps of logic to keep your game/company/etc of choice on that pedestal in your minds
I move that the mods edit out all of Gurck's posts in all EQ2 threads for his repeated bias and misleading of other forum members.
:laugh: So this is what it comes down to when you're wrong & know it, but unwilling to admit it, yes?
If I were a naive basing my purchase decision on this thread, or even deciding which game had the more mature & rational playerbase based on this thread, I'd have to say I'd side with whoever stated their opinion without insulting others and provided backing examples rather than with whoever made personal attacks and avoided the issue. Those are weak argument tactics, it's generally better to remain silent when it's all you have.
Most people feel it is, and it has far more subscribers than eq2. While it's not tailored to noncasual gamers, this has nothing do do with quality, fit & finish.
They are different games, but that still doesn't give you a right to bash a game you haven't even played. Same goes for whoever is bashing WoW and hasn't played it.
Reading people's opinions on a board, and reading patch notes doesn't count for gameplay experience.
How are quests done better in EQ2 than WoW? Are they more intelligent and have less of the "collect 50 gorilla gibblets for me and I'll give you my pocket change and some exp" type?
That pretty much sums up EQ2 quests, except for the harder ones and some of the heritage quests. Although I've heard WoW quests are no better.
If you've read this & other threads, you'll see I'm for the most part not bashing, but rather stating factual information about the company behind EQ2 and merely inferring what effects this has on EQ2 based on my experiences with their other games and products.
Thanks for agreeing with me, now tell that to christoph83, who will disagree with you.
I'm amazed at you Gurck......you managed to engage all these people on the relative merits of WoW vs. EQ 2.....and yet never have played EQ 2. I've played both but still wouldn't even waste a minute of my time debating you.
In any case, I'm impressed. :thumbsup:
In any case, I'm impressed. :thumbsup:
Aw shucks, thanks!
It's really nothing *shuffles feet*, anyone could guess that a corporation which has profited by screwing people for many decades would continue to do so *blushes*. I'd like to thank all the naives in this thread for bringing my talent to my attention I'm sure Sony would like to thank them too 
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More like this in WoW. Quest: Go collect blood from x type bat.
I go kill x type bat, i have to kill 5 of them before any of them have blood.
another example
Quest: Collect hooves from x type zebra thing
I go kill x type zebra thing. I have to kill 7 of them before even one of them has even one hoof. Did the person that was before me just saw the hooves off of the poor thing and let it go? If so, why do i see 4 perfectly fine ones on all the x type zebras that i kill?
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BTW, have played it for about a day and im at Lvl 6 on my priest. I will have to play it longer before i can make any serious comments, but thus far.
See OP for update
See OP for update
Originally posted by: Gurck
Lol, I contend that EQ2 sucks because <reasons a, b and c>, and most of that being the company behind it, you respond by ignoring it because I'm right and instead calling me a fanboy of the competition? After I've expressed dissatisfaction with said competition on a number of points? You fanboys make some incredible leaps of logic to keep your game/company/etc of choice on that pedestal in your minds
I respond with having actually playing the game and liking it. Even though I no longer play it. I currently play WoW but that is fading too thanks to servers being down multiple days in a row and the game no longer holding my attention.
According to you, every person who likes EQ2 is a fanboy. Grow up man and begin to figure out that what you like and dislike isn't the same for everyone else.
I'm not ignoring reasons A, B, and C. I too played SWG and long abandoned that pile of crap. I just realize that not every game by the same publisher is the same.
I really, really hate it when people put words in my mouth. I realize you have no argument and are desperate - please consider the option of shutting up, as lying about what others have said is pretty low, though not surprising from an EQ2 fanboy. Yes, you are a fanboy for defending them so violently for no apparent reason, lying and attacking when lacking any tangible argument.
No it doesn't, that's why they are merging servers due to lack of population. It's extremely unlikely that it will ever even remotely approach 400k again ever.
Heh, the Gates of Discord expansion seems to similar to highlander 2 - both of them never happened 8)
I'm sure even SOE wishes that it didn't...
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