EverQuest 2 SemiReview and comparison to WoW

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Gurck

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Originally posted by: christoph83
I didn't attack you at all
:laugh:
You assume based off their previous games, this one sucks. That is your point isn't it?
Exactly, I'm bright enough to know when an educated guess becomes a sure bet, and I'm taking it :) Unlike you, I have actual examples backing me up. If it were free I'd be glad to play it for a bit, but I'm not about to spend money & support a slimeball company simply to confirm what I already know.
 

torpid

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Just curious about EQ2. In WoW you know you can get a quest from someone because they have a big yellow exclamation point over their head. Is there anything similar in EQ2?

If it weren't present in WoW I don't think i'd have done more than 10% of the quests I have, because I don't have the patience to talk to every npc on a regular basis like I did back in FFXI days.

And if you want to talk about annoying downtimes... FFXI had to appease people in completely different hemispheres, so needless to say a lot of their maintenance period was during peak US hours and lasted 12+ hours.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: torpid
Just curious about EQ2. In WoW you know you can get a quest from someone because they have a big yellow exclamation point over their head. Is there anything similar in EQ2?

Nope, but certain NPCs will shout, wave for you, or even run up to you and talk, if they have a quest that they think you should do (maybe you just reached the right level, you have a certain sword that can trigger it, etc). But no, you have to hail NPCs and go through their dialogue to know whether they have a quest or not.

 

christoph83

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: christoph83
I didn't attack you at all
:laugh:
You assume based off their previous games, this one sucks. That is your point isn't it?
Exactly, I'm bright enough to know when an educated guess becomes a sure bet, and I'm taking it :) Unlike you, I have actual examples backing me up. If it were free I'd be glad to play it for a bit, but I'm not about to spend money & support a slimeball company simply to confirm what I already know.

The same educated guess that since blizzard only makes good games, WoW would be too? That seem's to be the general consensus towards blizzard, and you just proved it to be wrong. Your ship is sinking. Guesses and assumptions are nothing compared to fact.

 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: christoph83
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: christoph83
I didn't attack you at all
:laugh:
You assume based off their previous games, this one sucks. That is your point isn't it?
Exactly, I'm bright enough to know when an educated guess becomes a sure bet, and I'm taking it :) Unlike you, I have actual examples backing me up. If it were free I'd be glad to play it for a bit, but I'm not about to spend money & support a slimeball company simply to confirm what I already know.

The same educated guess that since blizzard only makes good games, WoW would be too? That seem's to be the general consensus towards blizzard, and you just proved it to be wrong. Your ship is sinking. Guesses and assumptions are nothing compared to fact.
:confused: WoW is a great game. There are server stability problems, but no assumptions were made on my part about stability, as Blizzard hasn't done a MMORPG before.

Regardless of the game though, with Sony you get:
- in-game advertising
- nag screens every time you log in
- "accidental" billing errors in their favor
- outsourced customer service
- apathetic approach toward fixing bugs
- overpriced carrot & stick expansions every few months

Some things never change. Sony has been overcharging for inferior products and practicing planned obsolescence for decades. This lack of ethics and rabid, heedless pursuit of profits has, as one might expect, been readily apparent in their online division's games.
 

Looney

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: christoph83
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: christoph83
I didn't attack you at all
:laugh:
You assume based off their previous games, this one sucks. That is your point isn't it?
Exactly, I'm bright enough to know when an educated guess becomes a sure bet, and I'm taking it :) Unlike you, I have actual examples backing me up. If it were free I'd be glad to play it for a bit, but I'm not about to spend money & support a slimeball company simply to confirm what I already know.

The same educated guess that since blizzard only makes good games, WoW would be too? That seem's to be the general consensus towards blizzard, and you just proved it to be wrong. Your ship is sinking. Guesses and assumptions are nothing compared to fact.
:confused: WoW is a great game. There are server stability problems, but no assumptions were made on my part about stability, as Blizzard hasn't done a MMORPG before.

Regardless of the game though, with Sony you get:
- in-game advertising

What ingame advertisement? You mean pizza... you mean typing in /pizza constitutes ingame advertising?

- nag screens every time you log in

The EULA that you have to click on agree before you can play the game? oook.

- "accidental" billing errors in their favor

LOL right. They did it once to you in EQ, so that must be a constant problem in EQ2.

- outsourced customer service

No they haven't.

- apathetic approach toward fixing bugs

You're obviously stating facts from ignorance. Every patch list, you see improvements all the time.

- overpriced carrot & stick expansions every few months

Another canned response from you... same once you've used a dozen times before. Play your game that in 3 months, you'll get bored of because there's no content, and then see how you like that. Paying $40-50 every 6 months for an expansion is worth it to me... normal non-mmog i play, like HL2 or KOTOR2, i blow $50 or more, and in 2 weeks, i'm done with the game. At least mmogs keep my attention and interest longer, and if it costs $50 every 6 months to get new content, i'm all for it. If you're too poor to afford expansions, my advice to you is to get a better job.
 

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WoW is a great game and getting better, with a company behind it which realizes the best way to profit isn't strongarming people, but rather doing a good job.

i love wow, but i have to agree with some of the anti-wow stuff said here. i've been lvl 60 for a week or so and i'm bored out of my mind. i'm doing WC runs with lower guildies to pass the time these days, and that's IF i can get on in the first place. for the last 2 weeks my server has been plagued with crashes and lag and i get disconnected DAILY. it's gotten to the point that i am seriously considering dropping it after this month is up, and i play every day.

blizzard used to listen to their customers, but these days they have a few puppets putting up generic messages thanking you for your patience and that's about it. i've been playing blizzard games since humans vs orcs and while i used to love the company i believe they've simply bitten off more than they can chew with WoW. do i think it will get better? sure as soon as they hire coders to replace the monkeys working there now. should i have to pay 15/m while they beta test their code? hell no, but that's the way it is. if i don't want to pay i don't have to.

i'm going to try out the matrix online this weekend altho from what i've heard it sucks pretty bad, but it's a free preview so nothing lost. i tried CoH for a few weeks and i got bored almost instantly, not sure why anyone plays that game at all. once again tho it was a free copy so nothing lost.
 

christoph83

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Originally posted by: Gurck

Regardless of the game though, with Sony you get:
- in-game advertising Huh? I havent seen any. EQ1 maybe
- nag screens every time you log in This is only in EQ1, In EQ2 there isn't
- "accidental" billing errors in their favor That's a personal issue issue I haven't dealt with, and none of my friends have had happen
- outsourced customer service Their customer service is based in California in the same building SOE is based. I know people who work there, in, guess what, customer service. And these people work for Sony.
- apathetic approach toward fixing bugs You haven't played eq2, so what bugs are you talking about specifically
- overpriced carrot & stick expansions every few months Sony has specifically said they are going to release 2 major exspansions every year. At which point if the game lacks content, then you don't buy it. Go to a different game that has more content.

Theres no point in talking about EQ2. Your lack of knowledge of the game ends up showing through. I would go back to bashing previous games.

Originally posted by: Gurck
All that being said, I can no longer defend Blizzard, the lag is nothing short of horrendous. About half the time, we make it through prime time with only severe lag spikes... the other half we get a server reboot, or worse, "planned" maintenance (yeah sure, planned during primetime hours or during weekends ). It doesn't matter that they were willing to spend the money it takes to craft a great game instead of relying on the venerable Carrot & Stick if you can't even log on.

So if you can't even logon, thats obviously a win for EQ2. Even made Shadenfroh leave. Stability and gameplay go together. You can't have good gameplay if you can't even play. I'm not trying to change this to a wow thread, but with comments like these, you're just making Sony look good.
 

Looney

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i love wow, but i have to agree with some of the anti-wow stuff said here. i've been lvl 60 for a week or so and i'm bored out of my mind. i'm doing WC runs with lower guildies to pass the time these days, and that's IF i can get on in the first place. for the last 2 weeks my server has been plagued with crashes and lag and i get disconnected DAILY. it's gotten to the point that i am seriously considering dropping it after this month is up, and i play every day.

EQ2 has put a new feature in called Mentoring (Gurck, this is a FREE feature). When you mentor, you can group with somebody lower, and your character level is set to the same as the character that you wish to mentor. This way you can group with them and 'mentor' them, and they get an experience bonus from your 'teachings'. You also get xp and loot, and can do quests that you might have missed.

The best feature of this i think would be grouping with people you outlevel... such as friends. I know one of the pains of playing with my gf, was that i had a lot more time before, and would play and outlevel her... then i would either need to slow down, or play her char to level her. Now at least i would be able to go at my own pace, and when i group up with her, i can just become a mentor. I get xp, loot, and all the fun of playing.

Another note for those concern that a high level who mentor, would be at a great advantage because their equipment would be much more powerful... in EQ, your equipment is determined by your level or skill. So if a sword does 100dmg at level 50, in a level 30 hands, it might only do 60dmg. No doubt somebody who is decked out in all uber level 50 gear is going to mentor at a level that is better than somebody else the same level with average equipment for their level (but that's partly understandable... you are a mentor, so you should be better than the average level 30, if that's what you're mentoring), but it's not overpowering.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
Originally posted by: Gurck
Regardless of the game though, with Sony you get:
- in-game advertising

What ingame advertisement? You mean pizza... you mean typing in /pizza constitutes ingame advertising?
No, I mean GMs spamming that SOE's new (expansion/game/etc) is out and to please buy it at station.sony.com
- nag screens every time you log in
The EULA that you have to click on agree before you can play the game? oook.
No, the nagscreen to buy the newest (expansion/game/etc) that a GM will be spamming about once you're in the game.
- "accidental" billing errors in their favor
LOL right. They did it once to you in EQ, so that must be a constant problem in EQ2.
This happened to a significant portion of their playerbase not long after the Luclin expansion was released. It's one more bogus charge than I've gotten from Blizzard.
- outsourced customer service
No they haven't.
Indeed they have
- apathetic approach toward fixing bugs
You're obviously stating facts from ignorance. Every patch list, you see improvements all the time.
Not ignorance, past experience. I've listed but a few examples in this very thread. Try reading.
- overpriced carrot & stick expansions every few months
Another canned response from you... same once you've used a dozen times before. Play your game that in 3 months, you'll get bored of because there's no content, and then see how you like that. Paying $40-50 every 6 months for an expansion is worth it to me... normal non-mmog i play, like HL2 or KOTOR2, i blow $50 or more, and in 2 weeks, i'm done with the game. At least mmogs keep my attention and interest longer, and if it costs $50 every 6 months to get new content, i'm all for it. If you're too poor to afford expansions, my advice to you is to get a better job.
We've gone over this before, apparently you'd rather argue than read. New content is necessary, but releasing it before major bugs have been fixed, before the previous content has been finished (PoE-B & Time, anyone?) and before players have completed the old content is ridiculous. Making 90% of previous gear obsolete to help force expansion purchase is just the icing on the cake.
 

christoph83

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
i love wow, but i have to agree with some of the anti-wow stuff said here. i've been lvl 60 for a week or so and i'm bored out of my mind. i'm doing WC runs with lower guildies to pass the time these days, and that's IF i can get on in the first place. for the last 2 weeks my server has been plagued with crashes and lag and i get disconnected DAILY. it's gotten to the point that i am seriously considering dropping it after this month is up, and i play every day.

EQ2 has put a new feature in called Mentoring (Gurck, this is a FREE feature). When you mentor, you can group with somebody lower, and your character level is set to the same as the character that you wish to mentor. This way you can group with them and 'mentor' them, and they get an experience bonus from your 'teachings'. You also get xp and loot, and can do quests that you might have missed.

The best feature of this i think would be grouping with people you outlevel... such as friends. I know one of the pains of playing with my gf, was that i had a lot more time before, and would play and outlevel her... then i would either need to slow down, or play her char to level her. Now at least i would be able to go at my own pace, and when i group up with her, i can just become a mentor. I get xp, loot, and all the fun of playing.

Another note for those concern that a high level who mentor, would be at a great advantage because their equipment would be much more powerful... in EQ, your equipment is determined by your level or skill. So if a sword does 100dmg at level 50, in a level 30 hands, it might only do 60dmg. No doubt somebody who is decked out in all uber level 50 gear is going to mentor at a level that is better than somebody else the same level with average equipment for their level (but that's partly understandable... you are a mentor, so you should be better than the average level 30, if that's what you're mentoring), but it's not overpowering.


I agree this is a great feature. I bet future games will start incorporating this. It works on so many different levels. Really helps the gameplay overall in general. Got a guildy who has a 5 person group but needs 6? he doesnt need to rely on someone his level, he can just grab a high level guildy friend and use mentor. Makes grouping so much easier.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: fisher
WoW is a great game and getting better, with a company behind it which realizes the best way to profit isn't strongarming people, but rather doing a good job.

i love wow, but i have to agree with some of the anti-wow stuff said here. i've been lvl 60 for a week or so and i'm bored out of my mind. i'm doing WC runs with lower guildies to pass the time these days, and that's IF i can get on in the first place. for the last 2 weeks my server has been plagued with crashes and lag and i get disconnected DAILY. it's gotten to the point that i am seriously considering dropping it after this month is up, and i play every day.

blizzard used to listen to their customers, but these days they have a few puppets putting up generic messages thanking you for your patience and that's about it. i've been playing blizzard games since humans vs orcs and while i used to love the company i believe they've simply bitten off more than they can chew with WoW. do i think it will get better? sure as soon as they hire coders to replace the monkeys working there now. should i have to pay 15/m while they beta test their code? hell no, but that's the way it is. if i don't want to pay i don't have to.

i'm going to try out the matrix online this weekend altho from what i've heard it sucks pretty bad, but it's a free preview so nothing lost. i tried CoH for a few weeks and i got bored almost instantly, not sure why anyone plays that game at all. once again tho it was a free copy so nothing lost.
You should check out Blackrock Depths/Spire, Stratholme, Scholomance and maybe Molten Core if your guild can do it. How are your professions coming along? EQ1 took a while to get rolling as well; people (especially necros) were hitting 50 in no time and there was little to do aside from Vox & Naggy raids.
 

Looney

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No, I mean GMs spamming that SOE's new (expansion/game/etc) is out and to please buy it at station.sony.com

Boohoo. The reason why WoW hasn't done this yet, is because WoW doesn't have an expansion yet.

This happened to a significant portion of their playerbase not long after the Luclin expansion was released. It's one more bogus charge than I've gotten from Blizzard.

Well, didn't happen to me. And it was obvious an error. You see monsters where monsters don't exist.

Indeed they have

Show me a link then to where they have. I've done a google search, and didn't come up with anything.

We've gone over this before, apparently you'd rather argue than read. New content is necessary, but releasing it before major bugs have been fixed, before the previous content has been finished (PoE-B & Time, anyone?) and before players have completed the old content is ridiculous. Making 90% of previous gear obsolete to help force expansion purchase is just the icing on the cake.

What the hell are you talking about? PoE-B, i'm assuming the Rathe Council encounter that you're talking about, was fixed before Omens came out. And it was 'fixed' because people were bitching about how hard it was, but it wasn't impossible. Guilds were doing it, my guild themselves weren't able to complete it before the 'fix', but we were CLOSE... give another 2 weeks, we no doubt would have.

And for making previous gear obsolete... When you have a game that's out for 5 years, you're going to get progression that will make older equipment useless or obsolete. WoW will have this as well, i can guarantee you. Why would people buy an expansion if it didn't offer better loot, because the point of playing these games, is the rewards of the loot.

Man, it's going to be hilarious watching you curl up and cry when your WoW starts releasing expansions and have these same 'problems'. LOL
 

christoph83

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Hardcore, it's not worth it anymore. The proof is right there in front of him, he's just scared to read it. Patch notes, dev comments, actual eq2 players opinions. He won't listen. Sony obviously really made him mad and thats never going to change. This is personal to him, and I'd advise anyone who's looking into this game, to check the eq2 forums, to read magazine reviews, check out the dev comments and patch notes, and talk to high level players. This way you can come to you're own conclusions. The game isn't perfect, but whenever Gurck talks, I think to myself "What game is he playing?" Definitely isn't EQ2.



 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Hardcore
No, I mean GMs spamming that SOE's new (expansion/game/etc) is out and to please buy it at station.sony.com
Boohoo. The reason why WoW hasn't done this yet, is because WoW doesn't have an expansion yet.
:laugh: They haven't done it because their MO is to release a quality product rather than to strongarm people into giving them money for a subpar product like Sony.
This happened to a significant portion of their playerbase not long after the Luclin expansion was released. It's one more bogus charge than I've gotten from Blizzard.
Well, didn't happen to me. And it was obvious an error. You see monsters where monsters don't exist.
I'd guess that "error" made them a few million dollars, as they hid mention of it away in a patch message, which they know most people don't read, and left it up to the affected customers to stop payment.
Indeed they have
Show me a link then to where they have. I've done a google search, and didn't come up with anything.
Text, while this is the SW:G board, their CS overhaul which included hiring the ass who wrote what I linked affected all of their games.
We've gone over this before, apparently you'd rather argue than read. New content is necessary, but releasing it before major bugs have been fixed, before the previous content has been finished (PoE-B & Time, anyone?) and before players have completed the old content is ridiculous. Making 90% of previous gear obsolete to help force expansion purchase is just the icing on the cake.
What the hell are you talking about? PoE-B, i'm assuming the Rathe Council encounter that you're talking about, was fixed before Omens came out. And it was 'fixed' because people were bitching about how hard it was, but it wasn't impossible. Guilds were doing it, my guild themselves weren't able to complete it before the 'fix', but we were CLOSE... give another 2 weeks, we no doubt would have.
Heard of LoY? :laugh: I didn't even buy it and I remember it, though I'm sure you shelled out the $20.
And for making previous gear obsolete... When you have a game that's out for 5 years, you're going to get progression that will make older equipment useless or obsolete. WoW will have this as well, i can guarantee you. Why would people buy an expansion if it didn't offer better loot, because the point of playing these games, is the rewards of the loot.
No, I mean the tendency for new gear to obliterate gear from the last expansion. Gear obsolescence over the course of years is natural and keeps it interesting. When used instead of interesting, finished & relatively bug-free content as an incentive to purchase the expansion though, it hurts the game. The gear itself gets boring as well; various pieces of gear used to have a little bit of character, now they all follow the same cookie cutter pattern of +xx to each stat, xxxhp/mana.
Man, it's going to be hilarious watching you curl up and cry when your WoW starts releasing expansions and have these same 'problems'. LOL
Amazing, that's twice now you've guessed what Blizzard is going to do without a past behavior basis. You should work for Madame Cleo :laugh:

ps. you really should stop the all-caps "LOL"s and such, makes you look like an AOLer
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: christoph83
Hardcore, it's not worth it anymore. The proof is right there in front of him, he's just scared to read it. Patch notes, dev comments, actual eq2 players opinions. He won't listen. Sony obviously really made him mad and thats never going to change. This is personal to him, and I'd advise anyone who's looking into this game, to check the eq2 forums, to read magazine reviews, check out the dev comments and patch notes, and talk to high level players. This way you can come to you're own conclusions. The game isn't perfect, but whenever Gurck talks, I think to myself "What game is he playing?" Definitely isn't EQ2.
I don't understand what you think patch notes prove... I mean, they tell you...

-Fixed a bug preventing a door in <remote city no one goes to> from opening
-Change <class a>'s line of <spell b> spells

What they don't tell you:

-Ignored a bug adversely affecting a large segment of the playerbase because we haven't the skill, time or budget to fix it
-The spell change introduced 42 new known bugs, for now. The number is rising as players are finding out the hard way and reporting them.

Player opinions? Of course the ones they allow you to see are great; they ban anyone who questions them and will even shut down the forums if the majority opinion is bad enough (as they did with EQ1 between SoV & SoL), or prevent anyone without an active subscription from viewing the forums (as they did with SW:G).
 

christoph83

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: christoph83
Hardcore, it's not worth it anymore. The proof is right there in front of him, he's just scared to read it. Patch notes, dev comments, actual eq2 players opinions. He won't listen. Sony obviously really made him mad and thats never going to change. This is personal to him, and I'd advise anyone who's looking into this game, to check the eq2 forums, to read magazine reviews, check out the dev comments and patch notes, and talk to high level players. This way you can come to you're own conclusions. The game isn't perfect, but whenever Gurck talks, I think to myself "What game is he playing?" Definitely isn't EQ2.
I don't understand what you think patch notes prove... I mean, they tell you...

-Fixed a bug preventing a door in <remote city no one goes to> from opening
-Change <class a>'s line of <spell b> spells

What they don't tell you:

-Ignored a bug adversely affecting a large segment of the playerbase because we haven't the skill, time or budget to fix it
-The spell change introduced 42 new known bugs, for now. The number is rising as players are finding out the hard way and reporting them.

Player opinions? Of course the ones they allow you to see are great; they ban anyone who questions them and will even shut down the forums if the majority opinion is bad enough (as they did with EQ1 between SoV & SoL), or prevent anyone without an active subscription from viewing the forums (as they did with SW:G).

Cool, generalizations about a game you haven't played. All of these problems you've listed I haven't run into, and I've played the game fully from 1-50. I've been reading the forums for 5 months and haven't seen any uncessary thread closings. There was a HUGE thread when the game came out complaining about the game, and it was never closed. Keep talking about a game you know nothing about.

You have yet to point out one thing specific about eq2. Name an exact point in eq2 where these issues happened? Oh wait you can't, because you haven't played the game. This is what it comes down to, we both know about SWG and EQ1 issues and sony issues. But Hardcore and I know more about EQ2 than you do. If you think you know more about EQ2 without playing it, reading the forums, and checking patch notes... then say it now.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: christoph83
Cool, generalizations about a game you haven't played
Put out by a company I have decades of bad experiences with.
Keep talking about a game you know nothing about.
The word "keep" in that context insinuates that at some point I started. Please wait till I do before making a suggestion about whether or not I should continue.

At any rate, I wish you continued enjoyment of your first MMORPG; that's really all that matters. Ignorance truly is bliss.
 

christoph83

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: christoph83
Cool, generalizations about a game you haven't played
Put out by a company I have decades of bad experiences with.
Keep talking about a game you know nothing about.
The word "keep" in that context insinuates that at some point I started. Please wait till I do before making a suggestion about whether or not I should continue.

At any rate, I wish you continued enjoyment of your first MMORPG; that's really all that matters. Ignorance truly is bliss.

Wow you really choose to skip over stuff you don't want to read. I played SWG and I played EQ1. I've played L2 beta, Eve-online, Anarchy Online, FFXI. Been in beta for others.

Keep is the word because you keep talking about EQ2 as if you have played the game.

So answer the question?

If you think you know more about EQ2 than Hardcore and I ...without playing it, reading the forums, and checking patch notes... then say it now.



 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: christoph83
So answer the question?

If you think you know more about EQ2 than Hardcore and I ...without playing it, reading the forums, and checking patch notes... then say it now.
Lol, you said you played other MMOGs and asked me a question? Sorry, must have missed it in between all the personal attacks and Sony asskissing, can you blame me? :p You know more about the game's specifics, I obviously know more about the big picture.
 

christoph83

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: christoph83
So answer the question?

If you think you know more about EQ2 than Hardcore and I ...without playing it, reading the forums, and checking patch notes... then say it now.
Lol, you said you played other MMOGs and asked me a question? Sorry, must have missed it in between all the personal attacks and Sony asskissing, can you blame me? :p You know more about the game's specifics, I obviously know more about the big picture.

You're right, Ignorance is truly bliss :p Sony really did a number on you.

 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: christoph83
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: christoph83
So answer the question?

If you think you know more about EQ2 than Hardcore and I ...without playing it, reading the forums, and checking patch notes... then say it now.
Lol, you said you played other MMOGs and asked me a question? Sorry, must have missed it in between all the personal attacks and Sony asskissing, can you blame me? :p You know more about the game's specifics, I obviously know more about the big picture.
You're right, Ignorance is truly bliss :p Sony really did a number on you.
I contend they're doing a number on you. I'm not the one paying them to treat me like crap.
 
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Originally posted by: Hardcore
i love wow, but i have to agree with some of the anti-wow stuff said here. i've been lvl 60 for a week or so and i'm bored out of my mind. i'm doing WC runs with lower guildies to pass the time these days, and that's IF i can get on in the first place. for the last 2 weeks my server has been plagued with crashes and lag and i get disconnected DAILY. it's gotten to the point that i am seriously considering dropping it after this month is up, and i play every day.

EQ2 has put a new feature in called Mentoring (Gurck, this is a FREE feature). When you mentor, you can group with somebody lower, and your character level is set to the same as the character that you wish to mentor. This way you can group with them and 'mentor' them, and they get an experience bonus from your 'teachings'. You also get xp and loot, and can do quests that you might have missed.

The best feature of this i think would be grouping with people you outlevel... such as friends. I know one of the pains of playing with my gf, was that i had a lot more time before, and would play and outlevel her... then i would either need to slow down, or play her char to level her. Now at least i would be able to go at my own pace, and when i group up with her, i can just become a mentor. I get xp, loot, and all the fun of playing.

Another note for those concern that a high level who mentor, would be at a great advantage because their equipment would be much more powerful... in EQ, your equipment is determined by your level or skill. So if a sword does 100dmg at level 50, in a level 30 hands, it might only do 60dmg. No doubt somebody who is decked out in all uber level 50 gear is going to mentor at a level that is better than somebody else the same level with average equipment for their level (but that's partly understandable... you are a mentor, so you should be better than the average level 30, if that's what you're mentoring), but it's not overpowering.


Sounds like they stole the Sidekick/Exemplar idea wholesale from CoH. Oh well, expecting innovation from Sony is too much to ask for I guess.

On a semi-related note, concerning patch notes. Someone posted some parody patch notes on the SWG forums that pretty well summed things up. This is only an approximation, it was much more amusing in context, seeing it below the official patch notes in a thread.

Found where something was working and broke it.
Found where players were having fun and fixed it.
Found where the game was balanced as it should have been and nerfed it due to whining.
 

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Gurck has a personal vendetta against SOE. Just play the game. If you like it, continue to play. If you don't, stop playing. Very simple.
 

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Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Sounds like they stole the Sidekick/Exemplar idea wholesale from CoH. Oh well, expecting innovation from Sony is too much to ask for I guess.
They also stole dwarves and elfs. Damn SOE.