Everett incident.... penalty does not fit the crime

[WUTANGYANG]

For those who follow baseball, you'll know that Carl Everett of the Red Sox gotten 10 games suspension and an undisclosed amount for fine. This is crap!!!! I don't think he should get that many games and fine. First of all, if it wasn't that dirty manager, Bobby Valentine, no one would notice the difference. Many players break the rule sometime in their career when batting, but most get away with it. I'm sure a lot of players step out of the batters box when they bat, but that is rarely enforced. Then this incident pops up....Bobby Valentine, that dirty SOB, brings up this detail to the manager, and the umpire, Kulpa, decides to pay attention to that detail rather than really focusing on the game. If the umpire really wants to do his job right, then why doesn't he enforce it w/ all the players? But instead, it was focused on Everett. Obviously, people are going to get irate.... after all, why was this brought up in the first place? Is it because the Mets suck soooo bad that they need to find some lame brain way to win? Oh by the way, for those lame ass out there, the Mets lost that game. Another thing, I think the umpire is just as at fault as Everett. There is no need for an umpire to get into a players face at the same time. They should walk away from the player to avoid confrontations. They are paid to call the game, not to create confrontations. If Kulpa walked away, the managers or players would of restrained him and none of this would of happen. But because Kulpa wanted to flex some muscles, he got into the player's face. Why should someone even follow the game anymore when the umpires are calling the game for someone else's interest? Man.... all this really piss me off....

 

[DAM]

hmm, i dont think im familiar with the events, could you inform me why everett got suspended?



dam()

 

[mpitts]

Everett's suspension should have been at least DOUBLE what he got. He got off lucky, if you ask me.

Umpires are there to enforce rules. If he sees a player BLATANTLY breaking the rules, even after the umpire had told him not do continue doing it, he deserves to get tossed. The umpire was paying attention to the game. What else was going on other than a blatant infraction of the rules?

Everett's little tirade made him look like a complete ass. Nothing like lingering on the field a good five minutes after being tossed to make a fool of yourself. His actions are totally unjustifiable and deserved a longer suspension.

These words coming from a Tigers and Giants fan.

 

[Double Trouble]

You've gotta be kidding me. This is very simple.... the lesson is, don't friggin' headbutt the ump. Now is that so darn difficult to do? It doesn't matter what the circumstances are, the player needs to keep his cool and realize that you do NOT touch the ump, period. You can argue, yell, stomp your feet, jump up and down, do whatever, but don't touch the ump.

The ump had not noticed that the line of the batters box had been obscured, and that Everett was crowding the plate. The mets correctly pointed it out to him. He did the absolute right thing in enforcing the rule and drawing a new line. Everett is a hothead and blew his top -- that's his problem, not the umpire's. Incidentally, in the good old days, Everett would have been driven off the plate with some nasty heat right at his head, but these days that's no longer allowed.

Do you remember the George Brett 'pine tar' incident some years ago?? Brett was using a bat with too much pine tar on it (actually, the pine tar went to far up the bat). The other team (the Yankees) knew about the pine tar, but intentionally did not say anything about it..... until George Bret hit a game winning home run against them. Billy Martin, the manager of the Yankees pointed out the tar to the ump, and Brett was called out - Yankees win. What Martin did was just being smart and playing within the rules.

And just what exactly makes Bobby Valentine an "SOB" because he points out that Everett was breaking the rules?? For correctly pointing out that Everett was standing outside the batters box as specified in the rule book? Yeah, sounds like a real SOB to me..... NOT!

Puhleeze.

 

[NotoriousMAK]

Ok...If UMPs are going to enforce the rules then they should call the strike zone as it is stated in the rule book...And tell the coaches to get in the coached box. Lets see...what else don't they enforce?

 

[NotoriousMAK]

Another thing...I believe that UMP to be a wrestler during the off season...DID you see that head butt? ahahahahha

 

[WUTANGYANG]

hey tage... why don't you get the facts first? First of all, I know it's not right of everett to bump heads....but why the hell did the umpire get into his face???? Is it because he can???? What part of calling the game does an umpire require to get into a players face??? Another thing... this all started because dennis cook was accused for scuffing up the ball. It's not just the red sox that accused him, the braves did the same... for many years. So, after the accusations, he beans Everett and gets ejected. Then Cook goes ballistic and argues that he was standing too close. Ok, why didn't Cook get suspended??? It was obvious that Cook bean the batter on purpose.... otherwise he wouldn't of gotten ejected. In case you didn't know, most pitcher pitch about 85-95MPH, that's a lot of heat. And if that hits a batter in the head, it can give a batter a concussion. Why the hell did he get off???? Here's a new rule for the game: Start sh*t first.... other team will get screwed for it.

 

[KingHam]

If you are stupid enough to headbutt an ump, whatever penalty you get is deserved. IMO he got very lightly considering the length of other suspensions this year.

KingHam

 

[mosdef]

First of all, I'd like to point out that WUTANGYANG lives in Amherst, the same state that the Red Sox are in. Clearly his views are going to be biased.

Second of all, while it is unfair for an umpire to judge the game differently based on which team is up, I think it is ridiculous to criticize an umpire for calling the rules based on the rule book. If only ALL umpires behaved like this! The fact is that it is unfeasible for one person to take notice of all the minute details of the game, so I think it is the manager's duty to point out such mistakes.

Third of all, I think the fact that a player headbutted an umpire deserves a far more severe punishment. The umpire's duty is to bring order to the game, and if he deems it necessary to "get in a player's face" for this to happen, I believe he has that right.

I think it is pretty obvious that Everett got off lightly, despite what WUTANGYANG contests.

-mosdef

 

[Double Trouble]

<<hey tage... why don't you get the facts first?>>

I have the facts, only I'm not looking at them using 'Boston-colored' glasses.

<<Ok, why didn't Cook get suspended?>>

For one thing, he didn't touch the umpire. For another, pitchers rarely get suspended for throwing at a batter. The first time they do it during a game, the ump is supposed to warn them. The next time they do it, they get tossed from the game. You see, 'dead balls' or 'batter hit by pitch' is part of baseball. Just like a 'holding' call in football - the rule specifies what the punishment is. For beaning a player, the punishment is ejection or warning, unless there are extreme circumstances.

<<Here's a new rule for the game: Start sh*t first.... other team will get screwed for it.>>

Have you been under a rock or something? It's called 'baiting' and it happens all the time. It's usually the one retaliating that gets caught and punished.

I'm not a big fan of the sox or the mets, so I could care less about either team, but Everett got off lightly. He should have been tossed for 20 games - to send a message that it's ok to do a lot of things, but touching an umpire is a no-no.

 

[WUTANGYANG]

hehehe.... you got me mosdef Well, I was just venting. Damn it... 10 games!!!! What will we Red Sox fans do now???? Thank GOD for Pedro and Nomar. PEDRO!!!! NOMAR!!!!

As for tagej.... no need to make remarks. I was just making a point. Both teams got warnings prior to the Cook incident, that's why he got ejected. Which is why he should of gotten a suspension. Just my 2 cents.

 

[chess9]

Hey! You've got Pedro Martinez! He's better than 10 players. He must have the best pitching form I've ever seen. No one throws with such balance and precision. He may be the best ever, from a technical standpoint. And he's a little guy too. Great pitcher.

I'm afraid the head bumping incident didn't set too well with me either. I'd give these guys big fines though. Suspension just penalizes the fans. Hit him with a $100,000 fine, and he'll think twice next time. It was a really stupid thing for him to get his panties in a bunch about too. Play the game within the rules and quit complaining, that's what I'd tell him.

 

[WUTANGYANG]

good call chess9

 

[Capn]

The mets were just getting back at the red sox for screwing with Cook the night before. Everett didn't do anything right, he's a hot head I guess, but he's been on fire since the incident. Personally I wouldn't call that a head butt at all. He made contact but from what I saw it was like his nose or something. I've never seen a real headbutt outside of the movies, but it wasn't anything like I've seen. He made contact yes, he shouldn't have. But baseball people when they argue get all in each others face yelling about 1 inch apart anyway.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/news/2000/07/20/everett_ap/#null

If you go to that page you can find a clip of the scuffle. About rules in sports, the umpires and refs bend them as they please. There's bad refs and good refs, but even if it's the cleanest game you've ever seen there are gonna be a few missed calls or poor calls all together.