Ever seen a business close due to being unable to find employees?

[NWRMidnight]

I’ve gotten to where I bring up during interviews that we are aware of the anti work and quiet quitting movements and that won’t fly here culturally. We pay more than all of our competitors and expect more. 30, 90, 180 day reviews for new hires and you are cut if you’re not taking the job to work.

I would rather turn down jobs than accept lazy employees who essentially are just making hard workers shoulder their load.

How do you know you pay more than your competitors? Do you have spies in those companies, reporting back to you?

What do you consider a lazy employee; someone who doesn't work to your level of expectation, or someone who doesn't work to their full potential/ability?

 

[PumpkinCake]

How do you know you pay more than your competitors? Do you have spies in those companies, reporting back to you?

What do you consider a lazy employee; someone who doesn't work to your level of expectation, or someone who doesn't work to their full potential/ability?

I know what my competitors pay their employees, it's not some closely guarded secret. Word gets around, or it's posted on job listings, etc

I personally consider someone lazy if they aren't attempting to work above expectations. Especially for management level. Production level, I'm "content" if they do what they're asked on time, don't fuck up often, give a heads up when they're getting overloaded

Again, I pay significantly more than competitors and I expect more because of it. This also isn't some secret within the industry.

 

[IronWing]

I know what my competitors pay their employees, it's not some closely guarded secret. Word gets around, or it's posted on job listings, etc

I personally consider someone lazy if they aren't attempting to work above expectations. Especially for management level. Production level, I'm "content" if they do what they're asked on time, don't fuck up often, give a heads up when they're getting overloaded

Again, I pay significantly more than competitors and I expect more because of it. This also isn't some secret within the industry.

Okay, you pay well for good work and, as a result, you have all the workers you need. So what is the point of this thread?

 

[Fenixgoon]

I know what my competitors pay their employees, it's not some closely guarded secret. Word gets around, or it's posted on job listings, etc

I personally consider someone lazy if they aren't attempting to work above expectations. Especially for management level. Production level, I'm "content" if they do what they're asked on time, don't fuck up often, give a heads up when they're getting overloaded

Again, I pay significantly more than competitors and I expect more because of it. This also isn't some secret within the industry.

So you agree to pay people to do an expected job, and when they do the expected job for the agreed upon pay, you're unhappy?

If people are working above and beyond your expectations, then your compensation needs to go above and beyond their expectations.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[purbeast0]

I’ve gotten to where I bring up during interviews that we are aware of the anti work and quiet quitting movements and that won’t fly here culturally. We pay more than all of our competitors and expect more. 30, 90, 180 day reviews for new hires and you are cut if you’re not taking the job to work.

I would rather turn down jobs than accept lazy employees who essentially are just making hard workers shoulder their load.

LMAO if I interviewed at a company like this, I would probably walk out in the middle of it.

No wonder he is having trouble finding employees lol.

 

[K1052]

It takes hard work. Work a full time job (maybe part time as well), go to school part time. You graduate in 6 years instead of 4. You're busting your ass. You don't have time for video games, painting anime figures, if you're lucky you're banging some cute chick. It's a tough thing to go through.

I would tell my story but I keep getting vilified for "boot strapping". If you're in the US, and you work your ass off, you are doing great by the time you're 30-35-40.

Imagine explaining this to some kid in Sudan.. That yea you can succeed in the US but deserve to relax. And yea if you don't work hard, you end up 35 and cant buy a house. I mean from a purely logical viewpoint it's crazy how easy you have it as a kid in the US

My appetite for coddling a generation of old farts who pulled up the ladder after them and are criticizing the millennials and Zs for simply not learning to jump higher is really at absolute zero these days. Who knew that putting a lot of goals so far out of reach to line your own pockets might discourage those who follow?

You people selfishly ruined the futures of your kids and grandkids yet have no fucking shame at all.

 

[repoman0]

LMAO if I interviewed at a company like this, I would probably walk out in the middle of it.

No wonder he is having trouble finding employees lol.

Most engineers (and probably other professions too) worth hiring would walk out in the middle of that interview. I’ve cancelled interviews at little companies like his recently just for getting the impression that they would expect more of my time than I’d be willing to give. About half the time they call again and try to get me to talk lol.

These rah rah work and industry types only ever learned how to do one thing: monetize and commercialize some skill. They never seem to be able to cultivate any interests or life outside of their work so they don’t understand when the rest of us do.

 

[purbeast0]

Most engineers (and probably other professions too) worth hiring would walk out in the middle of that interview. I’ve cancelled interviews at little companies like his recently just for getting the impression that they would expect more of my time than I’d be willing to give. About half the time they call again and try to get me to talk lol.

These rah rah work and industry types only ever learned how to do one thing: monetize and commercialize some skill. They never seem to be able to cultivate any interests or life outside of their work so they don’t understand when the rest of us do.

Well you got me! I am a software engineer myself!

 

[NWRMidnight]

I know what my competitors pay their employees, it's not some closely guarded secret. Word gets around, or it's posted on job listings, etc

I personally consider someone lazy if they aren't attempting to work above expectations. Especially for management level. Production level, I'm "content" if they do what they're asked on time, don't fuck up often, give a heads up when they're getting overloaded

Again, I pay significantly more than competitors and I expect more because of it. This also isn't some secret within the industry.

"word gets around" and "job listings", neither is an accurate source of what a competitor pays on average. The word that gets around is usually spread by disgruntal employees who make less than the rest of their co-workers, or employees who have been let go. aka the very emplyees you claim you don't want working for you. Most companies keep what they pay their employees close to their chests, and yes, they really are closely guarded secrets that most do what ever they can to prevent their competition from learning. To think otherwise is foolish. Job listings are starting wages, and are no indication of the average wage for those posistions, as well as the fact that any good employee will negotiate a higher wage if they have the credentials and experience to justify it. So basically, you are basing your claim on hear say and the lowest starting point your competitors pay. Not a very solid foundation to base your claims on.

A person who works to their full potential, regardless of what YOUR expectations are, realistic or not, is not a lazy person. Someone who works below their full potential, but works to the level of the salary they are being paid, is not a lazy person. They just know their worth, and have the expectation of being paid a salary that matches their full potential. That full potential is subjective to the individial, and their abilities, and really has nothing to do with your expectations. Most people with your ideology have unrealistic expectations that nobody can maintain day in and day out.

You come across as arrogant, which indicates to me, that you most likely do have unrealistic expectations because you believe you pay so well. Where I suspect you are a very difficult person to work for, and you have a lot of employees who get burned out rather quickly, because you expect them to work like dogs, which generally results in a higher turn over rate than the average for your profession. But I could be wrong. Who knows.

 

[PumpkinCake]

My appetite for coddling a generation of old farts who pulled up the ladder after them and are criticizing the millennials and Zs for simply not learning to jump higher is really at absolute zero these days. Who knew that putting a lot of goals so far out of reach to line your own pockets might discourage those who follow?

You people selfishly ruined the futures of your kids and grandkids yet have no fucking shame at all.

I’m an elder millenial not a boomer.

Otherwise I don’t disagree that boomers caused this. But you left out the worst thing they did, which is raise a generation of lazy kids.

 

[fskimospy]

I’m an elder millenial not a boomer.

Otherwise I don’t disagree that boomers caused this. But you left out the worst thing they did, which is raise a generation of lazy kids.

It is a constant throughout history that everyone thinks the kids these days are lazy. Why are you confident this is actually true now when it's been false for the entire rest of history?

 

[purbeast0]

You come across as arrogant, which indicates to me, that you most likely do have unrealistic expectations because you believe you pay so well. Where I suspect you are a very difficult person to work for, and you have a lot of employees who get burned out rather quickly, because you expect them to work like dogs, which generally results in a higher turn over rate than the average for your profession. But I could be wrong. Who knows.

As a well paid software engineer, I always see "competitive salary" in many job descriptions. I am never looking for jobs but get hit up on linked in like 3-4 times a week where most listings have that term in there.

I always respond with a copy/paste canned response about me not looking for a job but always open to hearing about potential opportunities, and they let me know the salary/benefits that come along with the position and then we can proceed from there.

Usually I don't hear back, but sometimes I do and basically 90% of the time I do hear back about the salaries from these "competitive salary" positions, it's at least like $30k less than I am currently making, sometimes like $50k-$70k less.

Yeah ... that is super "competitive" lol. Good luck finding good senior level talent with those salaries.

 

[K1052]

I’m an elder millenial not a boomer.

Otherwise I don’t disagree that boomers caused this. But you left out the worst thing they did, which is raise a generation of lazy kids.

Well I stand corrected I guess since this a lot of this is boilerplate boomer talk.

Unless there is some kind of empirical way to determine that this generation of young people is somehow lazier than the ones that preceded this is just the usual backwards looking inter-generational complaining that has existed for all time. I've known lots of lazy AF older people also and I don't think that's particularly unusual either.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I’m an elder millenial not a boomer.

Otherwise I don’t disagree that boomers caused this. But you left out the worst thing they did, which is raise a generation of lazy kids.

So.. you where raised by boomers, yet you claim that boomers raised a lazy generation, which is the Millenials.. so are you calling yourself lazy?

 

[thilanliyan]

Not everyone has to purchase a home. Rent for now while building up savings. Learn a more marketable skill to increase your income. Cut out all of the frivolous BS spending.

Not sure where you live, but renting here in Toronto (rather than buying) and in other places doesn't allow you to save much since rent has skyrocketed. Especially since wages have not kept up with increased living costs.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I’ve gotten to where I bring up during interviews that we are aware of the anti work and quiet quitting movements and that won’t fly here culturally. We pay more than all of our competitors and expect more. 30, 90, 180 day reviews for new hires and you are cut if you’re not taking the job to work.

I would rather turn down jobs than accept lazy employees who essentially are just making hard workers shoulder their load.

Quiet quitting? You mean doing your job but not killing yourself to do other peoples' work too and acting your wage? No wonder you can't hire anyone. You likely have a shitty reputation, as it's pretty clear from your postings here that you hate working class people and think you're so special and so much better than them.

 

[K1052]

Not sure where you live, but renting here in Toronto (rather than buying) and in other places doesn't allow you to save much since rent has skyrocketed. Especially since wages have not kept up with increased living costs.

I like how some people simply assume that median incomes have remotely kept up with housing costs despite all evidence to the contrary.

 

[purbeast0]

Not sure where you live, but renting here in Toronto (rather than buying) and in other places doesn't allow you to save much since rent has skyrocketed. Especially since wages have not kept up with increased living costs.

The people who live next to me moved to Korea for 2 years but kept their house to rent out.

The new renters moved in like 3 weeks ago and the asking rental price listed on websites was $4300/month. This is just a single family home that is probably like 2500sqft max built in the 60's.

That is significantly more than I pay for my mortgage.

I do worry about how the hell my kids are going to survive on their own when they get older. It's not sustainable at the way prices are going up on everything.

 

[PumpkinCake]

So.. you where raised by boomers, yet you claim that boomers raised a lazy generation, which is the Millenials.. so are you calling yourself lazy?

I was barely raised at all to be honest. I realized as a young kid that if I wanted to eat, survive, I had to work my ass off.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I was barely raised at all to be honest. I realized as a young kid that if I wanted to eat, survive, I had to work my ass off.

So because your parents were shitbags you gotta be one too?

 

[PumpkinCake]

I can't reply to each person saying this, but I have no more trouble finding employees than anyone else in my industry. Most of our staff actually reached out to us. Knowing full well that they have to work hard, but get paid well also. Thankfully, I'm an industry where I can raise my rates directly in proportion of salary.

I made this post because I feel bad for all of the small independent shops I see closing down who don't have those kinds of margins. They can't just raise pay to $30/hr for low skilled labor, because their customers will just go to wal mart instead. Meanwhile we have large segments of the population who resort to living in their parents basement, refusing to work unless it's full WFH and 6 figures. With some useless degree and 3-400k in student loan debt they should've never taken out.

I think we are going to see some real repercussions of this in our lifetime, as these kids hit mid late 30's with zero skills and zero work history. Just holding out for "fair wage". Everyone nowadays wants to walk out of college into this utopia of a job that doesn't exist, and unfortunately their boomers parents aren't forcing them to get a job and be productive, and learn marketable skills.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I like how some people simply assume that median incomes have remotely kept up with housing costs despite all evidence to the contrary.

I don't think op assumes that. He just doesn't give a shit because fuck those losers.

 

[fskimospy]

I can't reply to each person saying this, but I have no more trouble finding employees than anyone else in my industry. Most of our staff actually reached out to us. Knowing full well that they have to work hard, but get paid well also. Thankfully, I'm an industry where I can raise my rates directly in proportion of salary.

I made this post because I feel bad for all of the small independent shops I see closing down who don't have those kinds of margins. They can't just raise pay to $30/hr for low skilled labor, because their customers will just go to wal mart instead. Meanwhile we have large segments of the population who resort to living in their parents basement, refusing to work unless it's full WFH and 6 figures. With some useless degree and 3-400k in student loan debt they should've never taken out.

I think we are going to see some real repercussions of this in our lifetime, as these kids hit mid late 30's with zero skills and zero work history. Just holding out for "fair wage". Everyone nowadays wants to walk out of college into this utopia of a job that doesn't exist, and unfortunately their boomers parents aren't forcing them to get a job and be productive, and learn marketable skills.

If a business can't afford to pay competitive wages then it loses out to more efficient businesses who can.

That's capitalism.

 

[repoman0]

Meanwhile we have large segments of the population who resort to living in their parents basement, refusing to work unless it's full WFH and 6 figures. With some useless degree and 3-400k in student loan debt they should've never taken out.

Really starting to think you’re a bot or the human equivalent of one for repeating this over and over again. This person doesn’t exist and almost no one has $300-400k in student loan debt.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I can't reply to each person saying this, but I have no more trouble finding employees than anyone else in my industry. Most of our staff actually reached out to us. Knowing full well that they have to work hard, but get paid well also. Thankfully, I'm an industry where I can raise my rates directly in proportion of salary.

I made this post because I feel bad for all of the small independent shops I see closing down who don't have those kinds of margins. They can't just raise pay to $30/hr for low skilled labor, because their customers will just go to wal mart instead. Meanwhile we have large segments of the population who resort to living in their parents basement, refusing to work unless it's full WFH and 6 figures. With some useless degree and 3-400k in student loan debt they should've never taken out.

I think we are going to see some real repercussions of this in our lifetime, as these kids hit mid late 30's with zero skills and zero work history. Just holding out for "fair wage". Everyone nowadays wants to walk out of college into this utopia of a job that doesn't exist, and unfortunately their boomers parents aren't forcing them to get a job and be productive, and learn marketable skills.

Doubling down on the same bullshit boomer talking point BuT N0 1ne WanTz 2 w0RK when that's clearly false.