Even more Cohen news: Trump directed him to lie to Congress

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brandonbull

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The media didn't run with it.

Maybe if you read those other outlets' reporting on BuzzFeed News's story, rather than rely on the derposphere feeding you the simple and clearly dishonest talking point that this is what happened, then you would realize that.

Because no other news outlet was running the "what if" scenario that was positioned as if the Buzzfeed story is 100% true and verified. You are drowning in stupid and are begging for the floaties to come off.
 

DarthKyrie

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"talk like ducks"?
Seriously man, if duck-speak makes sense to you, you should see a doctor.

Unless he met Howard the Duck, then it would make sense. But then again if he met Howard the Duck we'd have to start to wonder who gave Marvel the idea.
 
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mikeymikec

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Because no other news outlet was running the "what if" scenario that was positioned as if the Buzzfeed story is 100% true and verified. You are drowning in stupid and are begging for the floaties to come off.

1) It's not a "what if" scenario if someone reports it to be factual
2) This is what Buzzfeed wrote:

"President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter."

Do you understand the bit I've emphasised actually means?

Here's another example:

"The Easter Bunny told me to do it", says man who went on a shooting spree.

The bit that is claiming to be true here is that the man definitely said this, not that the Easter Bunny was confirmed as the instigator of the crime.

Furthermore, here's CNN's article:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/buzzfeed-trump-cohen-lie-congress-moscow/index.html

article said:
President Donald Trump personally directed his longtime former attorney Michael Cohento lie to Congress about the Moscow Trump Tower project, two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter told BuzzFeed.

To hopefully finally bring home to you how wrong you are, what you're asserting would be like someone accusing you of telling lies after you talked about the content of the Buzzfeed news article.

By all means question whether Buzzfeed is speaking the truth about its sources and what Buzzfeed asserts these sources to have told them, or say that Buzzfeed concocted a scenario (through say a bribe) to insincerely assert <content of article>, or that Buzzfeed is simply taking the word of a couple of guys without seeing any evidence for the sake of a sensationalist headline, but what you asserted is 100% bollocks.

That's just aside from your implied requirement that the press only report "100% true and verified" content, which would be a higher bar of evidence than the justice system from most developed countries require, being "beyond reasonable doubt".

Meanwhile, as far as people who have a reasonable grasp of reading comprehension are concerned, if it turns out that Buzzfeed is verified to be incorrect about the story as a whole, Buzzfeed's respectability will take a hit because they evidently should have done more before publishing such a story, because the number one thing that matters when a respectable news source publishes a story is that the news source sincerely believes it to be true (ie. not fake news). Buzzfeed's double-down implies that they believe it to be true. My guess is that the Mueller investigation does not want the focus of its investigation to be altered when it is being reviewed because they feel that the main body of evidence lies in other charges, and while there may be adequate evidence for most people to think it's reasonably likely to be true, the Mueller investigation demands a higher standard in order to ensure that they nail their suspects to the wall with overwhelming quantity and quality of evidence, far beyond any reasonable doubt.
 
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cytg111

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Am I to understand that this is supposed to be a leak from the special counsel?
Cause if it is, we should entertain the idea that its not a leak at all.
 

mikeymikec

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Am I to understand that this is supposed to be a leak from the special counsel?
Cause if it is, we should entertain the idea that its not a leak at all.

First of all I feel the need to get the word 'leak' properly defined (as I'm used to at least British politics where 'leaked' information is often intentionally divulged by the department but done unofficially), being the unintentional relaying of information from an organisation (e.g. a whistleblower did it in order to reveal the real state of affairs within the organisation).

The Buzzfeed article says: "according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter." (emphasis mine)
There are multiple investigations into various aspects relating to the Trump organisation and/or administration and/or individual, it may be the case that one of these other investigations turned up this evidence or had to handle it for some reason (aspects of investigations have been outsourced and insourced from/to the Mueller investigation depending on their perceived relevance to its remit at any given moment/development).

Buzzfeed said:
“BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate,” Carr said.

"Characterisation" is a recent yet common weasel-word in politics to suggest that something isn't true without outright saying so, e.g. if someone says "Trump had a hissy fit", then a spokesperson might retort with, "that's not how I would characterise it" and then go on to use different wording that doesn't deny that a "heartfelt expression of agitation" occurred.

Obviously the 'sources' could be BS. However I think that the most effective forms of BS are ones that integrate at least some truth in them to make them harder to outright deny, or see my other guess from my previous post.
 

cytg111

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First of all I feel the need to get the word 'leak' properly defined (as I'm used to at least British politics where 'leaked' information is often intentionally divulged by the department but done unofficially), being the unintentional relaying of information from an organisation (e.g. a whistleblower did it in order to reveal the real state of affairs within the organisation).

The Buzzfeed article says: "according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter." (emphasis mine)
There are multiple investigations into various aspects relating to the Trump organisation and/or administration and/or individual, it may be the case that one of these other investigations turned up this evidence or had to handle it for some reason (aspects of investigations have been outsourced and insourced from/to the Mueller investigation depending on their perceived relevance to its remit at any given moment/development).



"Characterisation" is a recent yet common weasel-word in politics to suggest that something isn't true without outright saying so, e.g. if someone says "Trump had a hissy fit", then a spokesperson might retort with, "that's not how I would characterise it" and then go on to use different wording that doesn't deny that a "heartfelt expression of agitation" occurred.

Obviously the 'sources' could be BS. However I think that the most effective forms of BS are ones that integrate at least some truth in them to make them harder to outright deny, or see my other guess from my previous post.
Could it be as simple as trying to get Trump on the record one more time? See how Rudy has fumbled the past few interviews on the subject... I read an article today suggesting that Rudy may be on his way out and that Trump is ripping him a new one over this specific story..
 

zinfamous

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Because no other news outlet was running the "what if" scenario that was positioned as if the Buzzfeed story is 100% true and verified. You are drowning in stupid and are begging for the floaties to come off.

You complain about "the media" as much as you do, beg people to "use your brain!", yet shrug off any pretense of personal responsibility in doing the very same when consuming whatever "content" it is that you incuriously shove into your expansive maw.

If you are so boldly incapable of thinking for yourself when approached with "complex and confusing" issues, coming from disparate sources, then why the fuck should anyone take you seriously? You are a joke in the eyes of adults--you get that, right?
 
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UNCjigga

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Michael Cohen says he is postponing his Congressional testimony due to "threats" from Trump. Hmm...
 

mikeymikec

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Could it be as simple as trying to get Trump on the record one more time? See how Rudy has fumbled the past few interviews on the subject... I read an article today suggesting that Rudy may be on his way out and that Trump is ripping him a new one over this specific story..

Seems unlikely to me; BF's rep would take a far more significant hit in a blatant fishing attempt for the sake of hearing Trump's word salad / boy who cried wolf routine for the umpteenth time. Short of Trump doing a Col. Jessop routine on the record, what possible benefit is there?
 

zinfamous

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Michael Cohen says he is postponing his Congressional testimony due to "threats" from Trump. Hmm...

what? where is he saying this and what was said? If Cohen is publicly saying that Trump is threatening him, it's witness tampering. Is it related to those tweets from a few days ago?
 

UNCjigga

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what? where is he saying this and what was said? If Cohen is publicly saying that Trump is threatening him, it's witness tampering. Is it related to those tweets from a few days ago?

Also related to Rudy G going on TV Sunday to insinuate that Cohen’s Ukrainian father in law has ties to organized crime, and opening an investigation has nothing to do with witness tampering.
 

fskimospy

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Also related to Rudy G going on TV Sunday to insinuate that Cohen’s Ukrainian father in law has ties to organized crime, and opening an investigation has nothing to do with witness tampering.

If Cohen's father has ties to organized crime then the FBI would almost certainly know much more about this than Trump would and would open an investigation if it were appropriate.

Trump calling for criminal investigations of people who would testify against him is basically the definition of witness tampering/intimidation and is a federal felony. Imagine if any mayor or governor tried to get the police to investigate people testifying about their corruption, everyone would agree with their prosecution and conviction. Add this to the pile.
 

mikeymikec

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It's kinda funny if Trump and his guys start pushing this 'organised crime' angle, because surely in a sane world wouldn't Trump's choice of Cohen for anything pertaining to his business have been really bad, especially for a guy who claims to only employ 'the best'?
 

zinfamous

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It's kinda funny if Trump and his guys start pushing this 'organised crime' angle, because surely in a sane world wouldn't Trump's choice of Cohen for anything pertaining to his business have been really bad, especially for a guy who claims to only employ 'the best'?

We're somehow assumed to have forgotten about these things. His entire life, Trump has only ever depended on the gullibility of idiots around him to make any sort of "deal." Most just walk away and never want anything to do with him. Trump still thinks his presidenting is like running what he calls his business.

And yet, he has still managed to capture a gaggle of brainless twats to support him without question, so he's really only ever speaking to those morons. (I get it--admitting you are an observable moron is difficult for the human brain to come around to, so we are all pretty much stuck with the ~40 million or so certifiable morons that still think this rancid wet wipe actually walks on water)
 

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I'm wondering if Mueller (indirectly) was the source of the info especially considering the statement made from his office while taking a pass on so many other news reports. Firing a warning shot in the face of Bill Barr taking over and failing to promise that the public or even Congress will have complete access to Mueller's report.
 

Texashiker

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Yeah so that’s another big felony right there. Makes you wonder why Trump thinks covering up his involvement with Russia is worth this much criminal exposure.

You believe every fake news article that comes along, don't you?

Must be a sad life to hate Trump so much.
 

mikeymikec

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You believe every fake news article that comes along, don't you?

Must be a sad life to hate Trump so much.

It's ironic to see a Trump supporter taking the Mueller investigation's word for anything when they're happy to hear their shepherd tell them it's a complete witch-hunt.