Even Conservatives Are Wondering: Is Bush One of Us?

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
That may be, but there is a large contingent within the Republican party who are Conservative and really do wish to have smaller gov't and other "traditional" Conservative ideals instead of compromising on their ideals.

I agree, but they lost control of the party many years ago. Their influence is declining. Somewhere along the line, they have a decision to make. Do they continue to support a party that does not represent their beliefs, do they unite to take the party back, or do they break off and form a new Conservative party? As long as they rubber-stamp pseudo-conservatives like Bush, their ideals will receive only lip service.

It's just the opposite of what the democrats have been doing. They thing continuing to compromise their ideals to keep their patchwork together is the answer - but it will be their eventual undoing. There will be a political split in the near future I am afraid - but it won't be a Republican split. Just wait for the democrat version of Perot next election(2008) No, not Nader or some other fringe freak - I'm talking a rogue democrat turned off by the democrat's internal structure - especially if Hillary runs.

CkG

Perhaps, but that's wishful thinking at best. After watching Meet the Press this morning, I'd love to see a new Unity Party composed of people like Biden and McCain. I think they could pull from both camps.

Ultimately, I'd love to see the United States have half-a-dozen viable political parties, forcing an ever-shifting set of alliances to break up the status quo. Of course I'd also like to see a well-informed electorate. I don't expect that to happen either.

No, Conservatives haven't lost their control over the party nor is their influence declining. THAT would be wishful thinking on your part. Like I said before- some thought they had to compromise their ideals so as to gain power for the party. Many of those have seen the err of their ways and are regaining their ideological hold. There is no "take the party back" issue here like there is on the democrat's side. dean ring a bell? democratic wing of the democrat party? The patchwork is falling apart and dean wanted to grab hold of the biggest piece of the cloth. Unfortunately the fringe groups would have been torn away by doing so. kerry is trying to present himself as a band-aid like clinton was. The problem with that is that he isn't clinton even though he is trying hard to be him.

This whole drool fest over McCain is quite funny though. Yes, he's a "maverick" of sorts but he supports Bush - something the left seems seems to want to do anything but do. Anyway, the idea of a "unity" party is nice and all but it as you say is "wishful thinking at best". There are ideological lines and some aren't and shouldn't be compromised on.

Maybe we do need a bunch of smaller parties but they'd just form aliances and we'd be back in this same position.

CkG

Clearly the conservatives are in control of the repbulician party that is why they "fixed" medicad/SS by adding benifits and about 500 billion dollars of spending.

I bet for every bill you can find that the "conservatives" have passed there are 10 that increase the size of the fedral goverment.

And the liberals still complain that 500B was not enough. Seems they would have complained if he would have done nothing at all...

So you saying that Bush isn't a very good liberal. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't control congress and the white house so why would the "conservatives" care what liberals say?

Because had he not done anything, the liberals would be claiming he does not care about the old folks. The left would be screaming no matter what he did.

Yes this is an attempt to reform medicare and get votes from old folks. Just politics, i am not sure why anyone is surprised by such a move.

So why bother voting for conservaties if they will just act like liberals to get votes? Are they really conservaties or just neo-cons?