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Ignore certificates. While they're generally along the right path, many are padded with irrelevant timesink skills. By that I mean skills which are prerequisites for useful skills and return very little by taking to "V".

Pushing nearly 50M sp on 3 alts I still have mostly basic and intermediate certification for areas they specialize in, which I found amusing.
 
chew into the learning skills. Take all the low end ones to 5 and all the high end ones to 4. Then figure things out.

10 million iskies will keep you from scraping around trying to make 50000 iskies working slave labor.
 
v8envy said:
Ignore certificates. While they're generally along the right path, many are padded with irrelevant timesink skills. By that I mean skills which are prerequisites for useful skills and return very little by taking to "V".

Pushing nearly 50M sp on 3 alts I still have mostly basic and intermediate certification for areas they specialize in, which I found amusing.
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While this is basically true, I find that the Core certification is very usefull. If you train that to the second level, you have most of the skills you need to fit common T2 support equipment. It won't get you all the way, but I haven't regretted any of the skills trained on either account to get that certification.
 
JSt0rm01 said:
chew into the learning skills. Take all the low end ones to 5 and all the high end ones to 4. Then figure things out.

10 million iskies will keep you from scraping around trying to make 50000 iskies working slave labor.
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I still haven't done this, and I have around 30M skill points now. Of course, I probably should have. Right now, I have learning to 5 on both accounts, and all low level skills to 4 on both. All high level skills are at 4 on my scout account, and at 3 on my main. I have started to train to 4 on the main though.

I suggest training a cruiser fit, then really getting into training your learning skills. Otherwise you are stuck 2-3 weeks doing very little waiting for your skills to finish.

Also you need 15M ISK (IIRC) just to buy all the learning skill books. I used to just give all new members of my corp that to buy those skills. I am not nearly as nice as I was before though, but I could probably be persuaded to give you some ISK to help out with your advanced skill books, especially if you come to Antem and let me shoot at you.
 
Martimus said:
Also you need 15M ISK (IIRC) just to buy all the learning skill books. I used to just give all new members of my corp that to buy those skills. I am not nearly as nice as I was before though, but I could probably be persuaded to give you some ISK to help out with your advanced skill books, especially if you come to Antem and let me shoot at you.
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ehm.... I'm going to loan him a bit of juice ()🙂
 
I hate to say this but I've been convinced to jump back into EVE. Looks like I'll be doing some ninja-salvaging this evening!
 
ppatin said:
I hate to say this but I've been convinced to jump back into EVE. Looks like I'll be doing some ninja-salvaging this evening!
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You can salvage all the wrecks I leave. Although you may want to do it after I leave the system since your ship might be added to the wrecks otherwise.
 
Ninja salvaging (if you also steal loot) is *dead*. No mission runner will mind your presence, and I for one would gladly give you a warp-in to any mission I'm running so the wrecks don't rot.

Mission loot got beaten to a bloody pulp with the nerfbat, and unless someone is running level4s in a tech1 fit drake with poor skills they'd lose a fortune to looting & salvaging vs. doing another mission.

I also agree that the learnings at V/IV is a great thing for alts but the worst possible advice you could give to a true newbie. By the time they get the skills that high it's been several weeks and they haven't done ANYTHING in game. Now it's time to start training more basics -- the learning timesink comes at the absolute worst time of the game, IMO. Get basics to III if and then get some ship skills. Don't forget implants, and work on learnings again as you play the game.

The core certification at elite is the only one I can't argue with, which is why I have it on all combat-capable characters.
 
v8envy said:
Ninja salvaging (if you also steal loot) is *dead*. No mission runner will mind your presence, and I for one would gladly give you a warp-in to any mission I'm running so the wrecks don't rot.

Mission loot got beaten to a bloody pulp with the nerfbat, and unless someone is running level4s in a tech1 fit drake with poor skills they'd lose a fortune to looting & salvaging vs. doing another mission.
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Seriously? Was this something that happened in the latest expansion? Ninja-salvaging was never super-profitable, but it was fun when someone would start shooting at you for stealing their loot & you could then come back with a PvP ship and kill them.
 
ppatin said:
Seriously? Was this something that happened in the latest expansion? Ninja-salvaging was never super-profitable, but it was fun when someone would start shooting at you for stealing their loot & you could then come back with a PvP ship and kill them.
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I still ninja salvage in high sec sometimes just to piss off carebears.
 
Ninja salvaging *USED* to piss off carebears. But that was before the latest expansion -- all the valuable million+ isk tech1 modules have been replaced by huge, worthless metal scraps which refine to 5 trit.

So missions against mercenaries or EOM (who used to drop like 0.0 rats) yielding 20-30M in loot and some salvage now yield 500k in loot if you're lucky and some salvage. IMO utterly not worth clicking on the wrecks and busying up target slots even if the mission runner is in a marauder. I took wrecks off my overview for my mission grinding overview setting.

So, any ninja is welcome -- as far as the missioner is concerned someone is picking up the trash for pennies and helping to keep rig prices down.

Oh, and the insurance nerf (and drone loot rejiggering) is kicking the drone missions and regions in the nuts too.
 
ppatin said:
It sounds like mission running in general has been nerfed unless they really boosted bounties.
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High SP mission runners were already blitzing the missions as quickly as possible, only looting & salvaging battleship wrecks of opportunity. So this change was mostly a no-op for the MR "pros."

The real bitching was about agents preferring to send people further away, into less populated systems. Guess what security rating systems have the fewest number of players? This means all the MR had to move to the already overcrowded Motsu lag triangle to avoid nearby lowsec.

On the bright side the various nerfs are causing PLEXes to get cheaper. A good thing if you have a pile of alt accounts funded through PLEX, not so good if you hate grinding and finance your PvP by selling them.
 
I just ran a 6/10 plex last night, and the only thing that dropped anything was the final Crimsom Lord. I remember getting a nice Dark Blood drop in each room before, plus the A-Type drop from the Crimsom Lord. No longer it seems.
 
The only loot tables that have been affected are those for NPC battleships, and the only changes made to these loot tables are that meta 0 items have been replaced by metal scraps (and navy tags where applicable). This affects Battleships drops regardless of where they are found in the game, missions, DED complexes or exploration sites or belts. In general, the rate of meta 1-4, faction, officer and deadspace drops hasn't changed. (Although cruiser and battleship sized afterburners and microwarpdrives are now much more common drops for some reason.)

The purpose of these changes was to make mining the primary source of minerals in the game. Meta 1 or better items were never a signficant source of minerals.

Ninja salvaging and salvaging in general hasn't changed. Before the expansion, no one cared if you salvaged mission generic wrecks (left by non-faction ships like mercenaries) because their salvage wasn't and isn't worth much. Most ninja salvagers wouldn't bother anyways; they'd just go and find a better mission to salvage instead. On the other hand, if you ninja salvage a large Angel or Sansha wreck, you're just as likely to get tears as before.

The fix that now favours sending mission runners to low population systems rather than high population systems probably has had a bigger impact on mission runners.
 
Ross Ridge:

Thank you for the clarification. If the change has main been to meta 0 items then it's a lot less significant than I thought it was.
 
I'm finally only a couple of days away from being able to fly command ships. Now that that's done I'm trying to figure out what the heck to train. I can already fly interceptors, assault ships, HACs & stealth bombers. Any recommendations for what Tech II ships would provide the most entertainment?
 
ppatin said:
I'm finally only a couple of days away from being able to fly command ships. Now that that's done I'm trying to figure out what the heck to train. I can already fly interceptors, assault ships, HACs & stealth bombers. Any recommendations for what Tech II ships would provide the most entertainment?
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I find Logistics ships to be the most useful T2 ship. Recons are also extremely useful.
 
Some good matchs during AT8 today so far. Really liked the first one of the second half, could of went either way for awhile.
 
You know, since I have been a Pirate for more than a year now, I can't remember what it was like before I was a Pirate.

Is there anyone here that is not a Pirate? If so, what sorts of things do you do in the game for fun?

Is there a large non-pirate community in the game? It seems to me that the pirates are the largest player base, but at the same time I live in low-sec. I usually end up shooting at other pirates, but maybe in high sec or null sec there is a higher percentage of people who rarely PvP.
 
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