Evangelicals Flock to Iraq . . .

CaptnKirk

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Bringin' Jesus to the Masses
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Do you think that you as a private citizen could go into a war zone - for any reason ?
It looks like the Bush Administration is sponsering a Religious Crudade in the Muslim Holy Land.
(I might be wrong, but I don't think so - seen it before, conversion to Our God)
This could blow up in our face and make it an even tougher go than it currently is.

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An American missionary proudly watches as a sea of Iraqi arms rise in witness to Jesus Christ and choruses of "Amen" compete with distant rattles of gunfire. The faithful sing familiar Christian hymns in Arabic, their voices bouncing off the shipping containers that protect the church from car bombs.

Every Sunday, more than 400 Iraqis travel to this well-to-do neighborhood far from the protection of an American base to worship in the National Biblical Christian Federation Church. Converted from Islam and from other branches of Christianity, they are the first ripple of a tidal wave that evangelical leaders pray will inundate the Middle East.

"I learned about Jesus and eternal life from a friend, and came to this church to see," said Rana Atass, who has attended weekly services at another church for the last month. Her mother, bearing facial tattoos as some Iraqi women do, stood in a line of congregants to ask church leaders for help in buying food.

"The music is very enthusiastic here," Atass said. "They promise Jesus will solve many problems."

At least nine evangelical churches have opened in Baghdad in the last eight months, many supported by American organizations contributing up to $100,000 per church. More than 900,000 Bibles in Arabic ? along with hundreds of tons of food and medical supplies ? have been sent to Iraq. About 30 Christian evangelical missionaries are working in Baghdad, and 150 others have visited since last summer. Some Christian groups focus on offering aid and avoid proselytizing.

These missionaries' humanitarian and religious labors are fraught with peril. Four Americans affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention were killed and one was critically injured Monday after gunmen opened fire on their vehicle in Mosul, north of Baghdad. A spokesman for the International Mission Board said the Americans had been scouting locations for humanitarian and evangelical work.

An influential Shiite Muslim leader, Sheik Fatih Kashif Ghitaa, said, "Iraqis already see the American occupation as a religious war." Ghitaa said Shiite and Sunni clerics have discussed issuing a <I>fatwa,</I> or religious edict, against missionaries.

The missionaries ? a mix of professional proselytizers and novices with little or no preparation ? are buoyed by President Bush's evangelical bent, his oft-repeated biblical references and his vision of freedom spreading out from a saved Iraq.

"God and the president have given us an opportunity to bring Jesus Christ to the Middle East,"
said Tom Craig, an independent American missionary working in Iraq and Cyprus. "This is my commandment. No amount of danger will stop me."

The Colorado Springs-based Christian and Missionary Alliance helped turn the National Biblical Christian Federation Church into a beachhead of Western Christian prayer eight months ago, intensifying a clash of civilizations that has consumed the Middle East for centuries. As the U.S. prepares to return sovereignty to Iraqis on June 30, amid violence and anti-American demonstrations, the stakes have never been higher.

"Iraq will become the center for spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ to Iran, Libya, throughout the Middle East," said Kyle Fisk, executive administrator of the National Assn. of Evangelicals, which represents 4.5 million Christians in the United States.

"President Bush said democracy will spread from Iraq to nearby countries," Fisk said. "A free Iraq also allows us to spread Jesus Christ's teachings even in nations where the laws keep us out."

Iraqi political leaders worry that evangelical efforts will undermine the nation's stability.

"Extremists, whether Muslims or evangelicals, inspire violence and hatred," said Mahmoud Othman, a member of the Iraqi Governing Council. "The newspapers are screaming about a Christian conspiracy."

The four killed Monday were the most recent missionary casualties. A Rhode Island pastor was killed on St. Valentine's Day when gunmen opened fire as he and five companions traveled south of Baghdad. Three American missionaries working in a hospital in Yemen were killed by a gunman in December 2002, and a female American missionary was shot dead in Lebanon the month before while working in an evangelical medical clinic.

Missionaries say their work is bringing freedom to Iraq.

"We don't force Jesus Christ's love on anyone," said Darrell Phenicie, an American missionary who teaches theology in Baghdad. "Doesn't freedom of religion mean the right to learn about other choices?"

Evangelical churches were illegal under Saddam Hussein, although Iraq's 300,000 nonevangelical Christians were permitted to practice. Proselytizing is banned in most Middle East nations, but Fisk and other evangelical leaders hope to train Iraqi missionaries to work discreetly in other Arab countries.

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Kenazo

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are these xian groups actively supported by the US government? If they aren't, I see no problem. Of course, this could escelate the existing problem, but if private individuals wish to share their religion, why not let them. they'll end up dead in Iraq anyway.
 

Red Dawn

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More soft targets for the Terrorists over there. They really should wait for it to become a bit more civilized before they try and spread their beliefs. It would be one less problem the US Forces would have to worry about!
 

DealMonkey

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"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter

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EagleKeeper

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Empty promises will always attract those with a desire for hope and influenced by a snake oil salesman.
 

zzzz

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter

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Unfortunately, some people take her too seriously.
 
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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter

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You know, come revolution time, I'm making it my top priority to execute that bitch. It would give the cause a humanitarian benefit right from the start.
 

Sspidie99

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter

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Ah, Christianity at its finest. I wish more people would pay attention to what the bible teaches instead of worry about spreading their belief in Christianity. People have to stop worrying about the materialistic aspects of religion and concentrate on the philosophical aspects instead. I guess these so called "diehards" are doing things for their own selfish reasons.
 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
More soft targets for the Terrorists over there. They really should wait for it to become a bit more civilized before they try and spread their beliefs. It would be one less problem the US Forces would have to worry about!
i agree, it's unAmerican to waste our resources; but atleast we all agree they have a right to.

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter
that's called 'sarcasm', get it?

I wish more people would pay attention to what the bible teaches instead of worry about spreading their belief in Christianity.
living it spreads it. The facts are the facts and no man can change an experience you have, but they can change some words you've been told;

try clicking on the link at the bottom of my Sig :p
 

RadBrad

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

try clicking on the link at the bottom of my Sig :p





Your motive's to post here will yield nothing.

People that use computers do not have the void
that you seem to want to fill.

Try getting off your Lazy ass and going down to the streetcorner
and preaching to some-one that might need some hope.

 
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Originally posted by: RadBrad
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

try clicking on the link at the bottom of my Sig :p





Your motive's to post here will yield nothing.

People that use computers do not have the void
that you seem to want to fill.

Try getting off your Lazy ass and going down to the streetcorner
and preaching to some-one that might need some hope.


an't nothin' i can do.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter
that's called 'sarcasm', get it?
It's no longer sarcasm when we're actually doing it. When I say "we" I mean the U.S.
 

Sspidie99

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter
that's called 'sarcasm', get it?
It's no longer sarcasm when we're actually doing it. When I say "we" I mean the U.S.

Sarcasm, the problem is there are people out there that take these comments to heart. I would relate it to making the same comments to your children. I know most people are not that easily influenced and can form their own opinions. However, you will be surprised by how many people do not see the sarcasm within the statement and will see it as some sort of truth. I don't see this statement as responsible, even given any sarcasm that may have been intended. Shouldn't morally responisble individuals understand how some might not view the statement the right way?
 

BugsBunny1078

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This is great. We have a chance now to get a strong foothold in the middle east. Iraqis have a chance to be saved!
 
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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
This is great. We have a chance now to get a strong foothold in the middle east. Iraqis have a chance to be saved!

name the verse to explain why you do this and I'll believe your not a troll;

but yea, troll or not, Christianity in the middle east is a good thing.
 

tec699

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The more christains killed the better I say. I love it.

Anyway, did I tell you guys about the great America war hero that will save us from the religious wackos? His name is Kerry. John Kerry.


:D
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote


<HR>
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter

<HR>
that's called 'sarcasm', get it?
I wish it were, LMK, and I certainly don't blame you for assuming it was, but, knowing Ann Coulter for the hateful, intemperate media whore that she is, I decided to go to the source:

"The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous cult. And we welcome them. We are so good and so pure we would never engage in discriminatory racial or "religious" profiling.
<FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=3>
Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are.

They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=3>We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." -- Ann Coulter
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
 

Sspidie99

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but yea, troll or not, Christianity in the middle east is a good thing.

How so? Christianity like all religions has its goods and bads. Islam is not a bad religion. The problem is that there those hardliners out there that give most good Muslims a bad name. Christianity has its sore eyes as well. Islam is deeply rooted within the middle east, so I believe that missionaries will have a difficult time preaching there. The philosophies behind Islam are just as noble as in Christianity, but the only things most Americans know are the messages conveyed by these extremist Muslims. There are extemist Christians as well and they are just as immoral as those extremist Muslims. We should concentrate on the good and not the bad when it comes to religion. People should stop rating religions and try to understand the similiarties and not the differences.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
but yea, troll or not, Christianity in the middle east is a good thing.
Why do you say that?

It's obvious LMK's God is better than the Muslim God. Even though they're the same God. But LMK's God is also Jesus so he's a variable to the equation.

This is probably THE biggest problem in the world today. All these brain-washed religious sheep think their God is better than someone else's God. Pretty soon an argument breaks out. Then that argument gets physical. Then Religion A's friends start ganging up on Religion B and then Religion B's friends join in. Not long after you have an all-out war with innocents caught in between.

Eliminate religion and if everyone would just respect one another's personal property and opinions and there'd be no more war.
 

Romans828

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
but yea, troll or not, Christianity in the middle east is a good thing.
Why do you say that?

It's obvious LMK's God is better than the Muslim God. Even though they're the same God. But LMK's God is also Jesus so he's a variable to the equation.

This is probably THE biggest problem in the world today. All these brain-washed religious sheep think their God is better than someone else's God. Pretty soon an argument breaks out. Then that argument gets physical. Then Religion A's friends start ganging up on Religion B and then Religion B's friends join in. Not long after you have an all-out war with innocents caught in between.

Eliminate religion and if everyone would just respect one another's personal property and opinions and there'd be no more war.

Imagine no religion, its easy if you try...... No hell below, above us only sky...........

Loved John Lennon but he was dead wrong and so are you
 
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Originally posted by: Perknose
<BLOCKQUOTE>Quote


<HR>
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."
-- Ann Coulter

<HR>
that's called 'sarcasm', get it?
I wish it were, <STRONG>LMK, </STRONG>and I certainly don't blame you for assuming it was, but, knowing Ann Coulter for the hateful, intemperate media whore that she is, I decided to go to the <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nationalreview.com/coulter/coulter091301.shtml" target=blank>source:</A>

"The nation has been invaded by a fanatical, murderous cult. And we welcome them. We are so good and so pure we would never engage in discriminatory racial or "religious" profiling.
<FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=3>
Airports scrupulously apply the same laughably ineffective airport harassment to Suzy Chapstick as to Muslim hijackers. It is preposterous to assume every passenger is a potential crazed homicidal maniac. We know who the homicidal maniacs are.

They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size=3><STRONG>We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.</STRONG> We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." -- Ann Coulter
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>

never mind, she's nuts: Killing people to spread Christianity is wrong on at least 2 levels.

but we do all support freedom of relegion as a basic human right, right?

How so? Christianity like all religions has its goods and bads. Islam is not a bad religion. The problem is that there those hardliners out there that give most good Muslims a bad name. Christianity has its sore eyes as well.
Because salvation by grace through faith in Christ instead of 'religion' is a very important message.

I think it's because divergent views cause people to come closer to the center and not think of their brother as 'the devil'; Islam would do well to have a larger number of Christians in their midst so as to gain an understanding that people who disagree with them aren't evil.

It's obvious LMK's God is better than the Muslim God.
Last i checked the only God is the God of Abraham, the great I AM of creation; So it's a little silly to say we have a different God.. of course you have personal problems that cause you to delight in self-rigorousness above those of faith, little anyone can do but let you know we love you all the same.