Evangelical church clashes with FOX, Glen Beck

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I wonder what took them so long. Why are some churchesgoers so giving on Sunday and hostile to social justice the rest of the week?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C1

Evangelical leader takes on Beck for assailing social justice churches
By John Blake, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Evangelical leader calls for boycott of Fox personality Glenn Beck

Beck said Christians should leave churches that preach social justice

Minister says Beck perverts Jesus' message

The Rev. Jerry Falwell Jr: Pastors who preach economic justice are preaching socialism

(CNN) -- An evangelical leader is calling for a boycott of Glenn Beck's television show and challenging the Fox News personality to a public debate after Beck vilified churches that preach economic and social justice.

The Rev. Jim Wallis, president of Sojourners, a network of progressive Christians, says Beck perverted Jesus' message when he urged Christians last week to leave churches that preach social and economic justice.

Wallis says Beck compared those churches to Communists and Nazis.

Wallis says at least 20,000 people have already responded to his call to boycott Beck. He says Beck is confusing his personal philosophy with the Bible.

"He wants us to leave our churches, but we should leave him," Wallis says of Beck. "When your political philosophy is to consistently favor the rich over the poor, you don't want to hear about economic justice."

Wallis says he wants to go on Beck's show to challenge the contention that churches shouldn't preach economic and social justice.

Social and economic justice is at the heart of Jesus' message, Wallis says.

"He's afraid of being challenged on his silly caricatures," Wallis says. "Glenn Beck talks a lot when he doesn't have someone to dialogue with. Is he willing to talk with someone who he doesn't agree with?"

Beck did not answer numerous requests for an interview.

But a prominent evangelical leader says he, too, is suspicious of churches that preach economic and social justice.

Jerry Falwell Jr., president of Liberty University, a Christian college in Virginia, says Jesus wasn't interested in politics. He says that those pastors who preach economic and social justice "are trying to twist the gospel to say the gospel supported socialism."

"Jesus taught that we should give to the poor and support widows, but he never said that we should elect a government that would take money from our neighbor's hand and give it to the poor," Falwell says.

Falwell says that Jesus believed that individuals, not governments, should help the poor.

"If we all did as Jesus did when he helped the poor, we wouldn't need the government," says Falwell, the son of the late evangelical leader, the Rev. Jerry Falwell.

What is economic and social justice?

The term "economic and social justice" is not easy to define. It has different meanings for different people.

For some Christians, practicing economic and social justice means that churches should practice charity: setting up soup kitchens, assisting victims of natural disasters, and helping people find jobs.

For other Christians, practicing economic and social justice also means trying to change the conditions that cause people to be poor or unemployed. The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. subscribed to this definition of biblical justice.

Marty Duren, a Southern Baptist Convention pastor, says some conservative Christians have traditionally thought churches shouldn't get involved in economic or social justice.

"For a long time, Southern Baptists and evangelicals were so focused on the return of Christ that what was happening in the real world was almost incidental," says Duren, who blogs at martyduren.com.

But within the last two decades, Duren says, more evangelical Christians have come to believe that the Bible calls for economic and social justice.

William Wilberforce, for example, is a 19th century British politician who helped abolish the slave trade in his country. He is now regarded as a hero for some evangelicals because he applied his faith to the economic and social justice issues of his day, Duren says.

Did Jesus preach about social and economic justice?

The Bible cares about social and economic justice, Duren says.

"The Old Testament is replete with examples of God threatening to judge a nation because of a lack of justice or carrying out that threat of judgment against a nation,'' Duren says.

He believes Beck was wrong to tell Christians that they shouldn't belong to churches that seek justice.

"If I had any authority at Fox News right now, Glenn Beck would be seeking economic justice," Duren says.

That concern for justice is what helped convert him, says Wallis, president of Sojourners. Wallis, who counts King as one of his faith role models, says the Bible isn't just concerned with feeding the poor -- it's concerned about the conditions that create the poor.

Wallis also evoked the Christians who fought against slavery as well as civil rights activists.

"The Bible just didn't say take care of the victim -- it talks about justice," says Wallis, who is the author of "Rediscovering Values: On Wall Street, Main Street and Your Street."

Meanwhile, Wallis says he's waiting for that public debate with Beck.

"I'll have it," Wallis says, "anywhere he wants."
 

ericlp

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social justice eh? Is that the new Term churches use to get around avoiding "politics" so that they can still escape the tax loop hole and other benefits they get?

I say fuck the churches. Wanna go to church fine? Do it... Just leave politics out of the scriptures and do your mind bending trips on religion and faith itself.
 

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social justice eh? Is that the new Term churches use to get around avoiding "politics" so that they can still escape the tax loop hole and other benefits they get?

I say fuck the churches. Wanna go to church fine? Do it... Just leave politics out of the scriptures and do your mind bending trips on religion and faith itself.

Your mind was bent, but you can't bend mine with your bent rants on religion. I would say fuck you but it has obviously already happened to you.

All that is needed to set you to raving is a thread about religion. How does it feel to be a religious puppet?
 

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I wonder what took them so long. Why are some churchesgoers so giving on Sunday and hostile to social justice the rest of the week?

Your article laid out the various ways the Christians see the issue, no? Some think you have to help the poor directly and not through forcing people to help through government. Some think it their job to encourage government to help the poor.
 

ericlp

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Your mind was bent, but you can't bend mine with your bent rants on religion. I would say fuck you but it has obviously already happened to you.

All that is needed to set you to raving is a thread about religion. How does it feel to be a religious puppet?


Haha, I think you are a ragging religious puppet...

I'm not trying to bend anyone's mind. The laws were set a long time ago to keep politics out of religion... Now when you go that's all they want to talk about. Jesus told me to tell you all to vote this way or that. That's not what churches were designed to do. But you already know that.

If it's not happening then why is this post about churches and about how they should preach it's mind disease in politics and news?
 

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Haha, I think you are a ragging religious puppet...

I'm not trying to bend anyone's mind. The laws were set a long time ago to keep politics out of religion... Now when you go that's all they want to talk about. Jesus told me to tell you all to vote this way or that. That's not what churches were designed to do. But you already know that.

If it's not happening then why is this post about churches and about how they should preach it's mind disease in politics and news?

Poor ericlp, He drives a Toyota and every time it rains religion his gas pedal gets stuck in full acceleration.
 

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Beck is correct in general on this issue.

"Social justice" is a term used by neo-Marxists. There was deliberate attempt the last 50 years to inject Marxism into a more benign seeming forms that would allow Marxist ideas and ideology to spread and have effect - all while even the people helping do so could be unaware of what they were doing.

Jesus did preach about helping the poor and such but he also did so in spiritual context. The church's that show neo-Marxist influences and follow liberation theologies take a spiritual Jesus and make him into a political one. Spiritual salvation becomes economic and social salvation.

Of course Rev Wright's church was a liberation theology church which is obviously Marxism in disguise.

Liberation theology holds that classes of people are oppressed and others are oppressor. The dynamic is never really spiritual however and its economic or social factors that get focused on. A spiritual Jesus fighting against "principalities" is replaced by a political Jesus fighting against capitalist exploiters or (in Wrights case) white people (or straight religious people in queer theology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_theology ).


Rev Wright goes even further and holds that blacks are the chosen people and that whites are the oppressors. This is why the Jesus in Wright's church is black.

In his TV spat with Sean Hannity Wright said if Hannity wanted to know what his Church was about he should read "theologian" James Cone (who taught Wright).

Cone says black lib theology calls for "complete emancipation of black people from white oppression by whatever means black people deem necessary... Theologically Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.'.. The false Christianity of the white-devil oppressor must be replaced by an authentic Christianity fully identified with the poor and oppressed."


That's your neo-Marxist black liberation theology in a nutshell.

Here is Rev Wright praising Marxism last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj3jyW-kSFI





Social Justice: Code for Communism
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=13978
 

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Was Jesus Socialist or Capitalist?

Jesus was an Apocalypticist. He said the disciples would see God come to create heaven on earth and He was wrong. Even God makes mistakes when in the form of a man.
 
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ericlp

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Poor ericlp, He drives a Toyota and every time it rains religion his gas pedal gets stuck in full acceleration.

Yeah and isn't it amazing that all those Toyota's also have an emergency break, A foot break, an ignition key switch and a neutral selection on the automatic transmission.

I think religious people are intentionally hitting the gas and lightly holding there foot on the break pedal because GOD told them it was a good idea!


:awe::D:eek::eek::awe::awe::awe::D:D:D
 

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Beck is correct in general on this issue.

"Social justice" is a term used by neo-Marxists. There was deliberate attempt the last 50 years to inject Marxism into a more benign seeming forms that would allow Marxist ideas and ideology to spread and have effect - all while even the people helping do so could be unaware of what they were doing.

Jesus did preach about helping the poor and such but he also did so in spiritual context. The church's that show neo-Marxist influences and follow liberation theologies take a spiritual Jesus and make him into a political one. Spiritual salvation becomes economic and social salvation.

Of course Rev Wright's church was a liberation theology church which is obviously Marxism in disguise.

Liberation theology holds that classes of people are oppressed and others are oppressor. The dynamic is never really spiritual however and its economic or social factors that get focused on. A spiritual Jesus fighting against "principalities" is replaced by a political Jesus fighting against capitalist exploiters or (in Wrights case) white people (or straight religious people in queer theology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_theology ).


Rev Wright goes even further and holds that blacks are the chosen people and that whites are the oppressors. This is why the Jesus in Wright's church is black.

In his TV spat with Sean Hannity Wright said if Hannity wanted to know what his Church was about he should read "theologian" James Cone (who taught Wright).

Cone says black lib theology calls for "complete emancipation of black people from white oppression by whatever means black people deem necessary... Theologically Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.'.. The false Christianity of the white-devil oppressor must be replaced by an authentic Christianity fully identified with the poor and oppressed."


That's your neo-Marxist black liberation theology in a nutshell.

Here is Rev Wright praising Marxism last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj3jyW-kSFI





Social Justice: Code for Communism
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=13978

Social justice is a code for communism among the mentally deranged. Social justice is a code for social justice. In a socially just society the gap between the rich and the poor would not be growing and the middle class would not be getting fucked in the ass. In a socially just society Beck would be laughed off the stage or driven off with tomatoes.
 

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Yeah and isn't it amazing that all those Toyota's also have an emergency break, A foot break, an ignition key switch and a neutral selection on the automatic transmission.

I think religious people are intentionally hitting the gas and lightly holding there foot on the break pedal because GOD told them it was a good idea!


:awe::D:eek::eek::awe::awe::awe::D:D:D

What you call thinking I call spewing your program. I push your button and you dance. The mustard seed is for you only an emetic.
 

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"Social justice"? "Economic justice"? "Progressive"? Ya just gotta love all the sneaky ways people try to pass off socialism and communism these days.
 

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"Social justice"? "Economic justice"? "Progressive"? Ya just gotta love all the sneaky ways people try to pass off socialism and communism these days.

I love the sneaky way you try to pass off your paranoia. You gotta love the fact that the detectives these days are so smart they're stupid.
 

Tom

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"Social justice"? "Economic justice"? "Progressive"? Ya just gotta love all the sneaky ways people try to pass off socialism and communism these days.

Do you drive on roads you didn't build yourself ? Who keeps Bin Laden from blowing you to bits ? Did your doctor receive training at a university ?
 

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Do you drive on roads you didn't build yourself ? Who keeps Bin Laden from blowing you to bits ? Did your doctor receive training at a university ?
What form of Socialism would you like to see in America?

The kind, benevolent form practiced in Europe that has countries like Greece on the ropes, with more to come because it's unsustainable? Or, would you like the Stalin and Mao version that kills dissenters by the millions and was unsustainable?

We all know how our roads are made and why we need a military, etc. What exactly is your point? Are you happy with things as they are now, or will more governmental control over our daily lives make us more productive and happier?
 

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Do you drive on roads you didn't build yourself ? Who keeps Bin Laden from blowing you to bits ? Did your doctor receive training at a university ?

Yes, yes. The battle cry of every collectivist: We already have some nationalized programs in the US like infrastructure and national defense!!! So all socialism is good!!! How can you oppose nationalizing anything and everything then???

Bullshit black and white argument. Try again.
 

JS80

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I am a Christian and Beck is correct. This is why I left my church. Finally someone not afraid to take on the false prophets.
 

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good for the church. i guess you can be 'christian' and not a complete blithering idiot.

going directly against the religious beliefs that you push on everyone else makes about as much sense as forming a 'tea party' to protest the exact opposite of what the boston tea party protested.

oh wait...
 

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Who in their right mind would listen to that fuckhead Beck in the first place
 

ericlp

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What you call thinking I call spewing your program. I push your button and you dance. The mustard seed is for you only an emetic.

You must be a real joy when you go out on the town to a comedy show or a movie...

I feel sorry for your friends...That is, if you have any.
 

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Glen Beck is a God among men.

Jesus never practiced social justice. If you believe that then you believe in the teachings of a man and not of God. Jesus was compassionate and did feed people through miraculous events but he never insisted people give into social justice (whatever that is).

Social just would be me taking your car and giving it to the poor. If that is what you want go for it.

I might ask how much money you donated last year to charitable activities? If everyone donated an honest tithe the world would be a better place. Over 25% of what I pay for housing goes toward property taxes. That is more than enough for any government.

Who in their right mind would listend to the evil Nazi we call the president. Is there any real need for his idiot wife to go on national TV and call people Fat? You will find if you call people names you wont get far or win any hearts and minds.
 

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I hate going to a church where they talk about politics. I think if a church talks about "social justice" it should not be within the context of politics. It should be within the context of "what is this church doing to help those in need" and "what is my attitude toward those who are in need" etc. It is true that Jesus did not promote any type of message involving govt and politics at all. He promoted individual responsibility for the needs of others. Also, to say that Social and economic justice is at the heart of Jesus' message is to admit that you don't understand Jesus' message at all.

That said, Glen Beck does not represent or understand Christianity. Also, if we have people who need assistance, we need a way to take care of them. We can't wait for the church to get its act together and take care of the needy. The govt offers a messy solution, but at least we have less people starving to death in this country.