European support for a war in Iraq overrated

[Czar]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L30567527

BRITAIN

A YouGov poll for the Sunday Times on January 26 showed 68 percent of people thought Prime Minister Tony Blair had failed to convince them of the need for war with Iraq. Some 26 percent said they were convinced Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was dangerous enough to necessitate a war.


FRANCE

A CSA Institute poll published on January 23 showed 73 percent of French people were against a U.S.-led attack on Iraq, up from 66 percent in a similar poll two weeks earlier.


GERMANY

An opinion poll by Germany's Forsa institute published a week ago found 69 percent of Germans wanted the country to vote against any U.N. resolution mandating war against Iraq. An Emnid poll in Der Spiegel news magazine showed 72 percent of Germans were against their troops joining any war.


SPAIN

A January poll by right-of-centre newspaper El Mundo found 80 percent of Spaniards opposed the U.S. stance towards war in Iraq while another by a radio station in the same month showed only 6.6 percent thought there were reasons to go to war. No official poll has been carried out since September, when two thirds of Spaniards opposed a war.


ITALY

A poll by Swg published on January 29 showed 72.7 percent of Italians disagreed with a U.S.-led preventative war against Iraq while 18.8 percent said they would support such action.


DENMARK

A Vilstrup Research poll published on January 25 showed 79 percent of Danes would oppose a U.S.-led war without a U.N. mandate while 57 percent would still oppose a war if there was a U.N. mandate.


CZECH REPUBLIC

A poll by the publicly-funded CVVM agency in the Czech Republic on Thursday showed 67 percent were against a war with Iraq and 24 percent of respondents were in favour. The support total falls to 13 percent without a second U.N. resolution while the percentage against the war rises to 76 percent.


HUNGARY

A Gallup poll published on January 27 showed 82 percent of Hungarians opposed military action under any circumstances. The remaining 18 percent said they would support a war but of those, two thirds said that support would be conditional on U.N. approval.


POLAND

A TNS-OBOP survey showed 63 percent of Poles opposed sending troops to join any action against Iraq but 52 percent thought the country should give political backing to the United States for any such action.


PORTUGAL

No official polls were available but an informal survey by Diario Digital showed opinion running almost two to one against Portugal supporting any U.S.-led action.

 

[zayened]

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L30567527

BRITAIN

A YouGov poll for the Sunday Times on January 26 showed 68 percent of people thought Prime Minister Tony Blair had failed to convince them of the need for war with Iraq. Some 26 percent said they were convinced Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was dangerous enough to necessitate a war.


FRANCE

A CSA Institute poll published on January 23 showed 73 percent of French people were against a U.S.-led attack on Iraq, up from 66 percent in a similar poll two weeks earlier.


GERMANY

An opinion poll by Germany's Forsa institute published a week ago found 69 percent of Germans wanted the country to vote against any U.N. resolution mandating war against Iraq. An Emnid poll in Der Spiegel news magazine showed 72 percent of Germans were against their troops joining any war.


SPAIN

A January poll by right-of-centre newspaper El Mundo found 80 percent of Spaniards opposed the U.S. stance towards war in Iraq while another by a radio station in the same month showed only 6.6 percent thought there were reasons to go to war. No official poll has been carried out since September, when two thirds of Spaniards opposed a war.


ITALY

A poll by Swg published on January 29 showed 72.7 percent of Italians disagreed with a U.S.-led preventative war against Iraq while 18.8 percent said they would support such action.


DENMARK

A Vilstrup Research poll published on January 25 showed 79 percent of Danes would oppose a U.S.-led war without a U.N. mandate while 57 percent would still oppose a war if there was a U.N. mandate.


CZECH REPUBLIC

A poll by the publicly-funded CVVM agency in the Czech Republic on Thursday showed 67 percent were against a war with Iraq and 24 percent of respondents were in favour. The support total falls to 13 percent without a second U.N. resolution while the percentage against the war rises to 76 percent.


HUNGARY

A Gallup poll published on January 27 showed 82 percent of Hungarians opposed military action under any circumstances. The remaining 18 percent said they would support a war but of those, two thirds said that support would be conditional on U.N. approval.


POLAND

A TNS-OBOP survey showed 63 percent of Poles opposed sending troops to join any action against Iraq but 52 percent thought the country should give political backing to the United States for any such action.


PORTUGAL

No official polls were available but an informal survey by Diario Digital showed opinion running almost two to one against Portugal supporting any U.S.-led action.

thats cuz their media doesnt feed them bullshit

 

[Jimbo]

Czar,
I think a better title for your thread would have been:

European relevance overrated

 

[Marshy]

Yeah go Europe!

 

[N8Magic]

I'm thankful there are some sensible people left in the world.

It's also good to see that the politicians in Europe listen to the people stating that they do not want to go to war.

Instead most of them seem to want to kiss Dubya's ass all the way to the Arabian Desert.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Czar,
I think a better title for your thread would have been:

European relevance overrated

 

[Electrode]

Well, this is very good news indeed.

 

[Jimbo]

Really, when you think about it Zakath, it really does not matter what they think.
So kindly take your sanctimonious eye-roll and shove it up your ass.

Thank you.

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Really, when you think about it Zakath, it really does not matter what they think.
So kindly take your sanctimonious eye-roll and shove it up your ass.

Thank you.

American arrogance at it's very finest.

Thank you for your input.

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Czar,
I think a better title for your thread would have been:

European relevance overrated

thats pretty arrogant.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Czar,
I think a better title for your thread would have been:

European relevance overrated

if every country in the world thought that then there would not be a single place in the world without war or oppression

 

[darren]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Really, when you think about it Zakath, it really does not matter what they think.
So kindly take your sanctimonious eye-roll and shove it up your ass.

Thank you.

why?
cause might makes right?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Really, when you think about it Zakath, it really does not matter what they think.
So kindly take your sanctimonious eye-roll and shove it up your ass.

Thank you.

No, I won't be doing that.

It may not matter immediately, Jimbo, but it will matter in the future. Your foolishness only further illustrates your immaturity.

 

[Dragnov]

America is acting in its own best interest, just as every other country is. Whatever.

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Czar,
I think a better title for your thread would have been:

European relevance overrated

thats pretty arrogant.

It may sound arrogant, but it is the truth.

I just don't understand this "enlightened world view" that states The Bath Party with Saddam needs to stay on this earth.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Jimbo

Originally posted by: darren

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Czar,
I think a better title for your thread would have been:

European relevance overrated

thats pretty arrogant.

It may sound arrogant, but it is the truth.

I just don't understand this "enlightened world view" that states The Bath Party with Saddam needs to say on this earth.

That made no sense.

 

[Jimbo]

Try it now.

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Try it now.

It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Just because there is no support for a war in Iraq doesn't mean that the leaders of other nations are going to be having wine and cheese parties in Baghdad. If the US wants support in this, then Bush et al are going to have to lay out ALL the cards on the table. No more "we have information, but it's priveledged" BS. Let the people see this "overwhelming evidence" and then Bush might have a reason to invade Iraq.

16 empty canisters just doesn't cut it, i'm afraid.

 

[Jimbo]

I guess you will have to wait until February 5th.
Even then, regardless of what we release, most of those opposed to war with Iraq will still oppose it. It almost won't matter what that information is. I can just hear it now. "It's inclusive" or "We need to verify your intelligence sources".

Besides, when did we start basing foreign policy on popular opinion as displayed in foreign media?

THAT, would not make any sense.

 

[zayened]

i was always under the impression that this country's government is based on popular belief

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Czar,
I think a better title for your thread would have been:

European relevance overrated

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: zayened
i was always under the impression that this country's government is based on popular belief

Popular belief in Europe?

Popular belief in The Middle East says we should all convert to Islam or die.

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
I guess you will have to wait until February 5th.
Even then, regardless of what we release, most of those opposed to war with Iraq will still oppose it. It almost won't matter what that information is. I can just hear it now. "It's inclusive" or "We need to verify your intelligence sources".

If Bush produces the "smoking gun" he thinks he has, i'm certain it will sway public support for war DRAMATICALLY.

Besides, when did we start basing foreign policy on popular opinion as displayed in foreign media?

THAT, would not make any sense.

You're right, it wouldn't make much sense... if it was only foreign media questioning Bush's motives.

Unfortunately, Congress is also becoming skeptical.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Jimbo
Really, when you think about it Zakath, it really does not matter what they think.
So kindly take your sanctimonious eye-roll and shove it up your ass.

Thank you.

You know what little man? Why don't you head off to an AOL chatroom instead...

*mumbles* arrogant americans, there are few of them but those few are the loud ones...

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: zayened

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L30567527

BRITAIN

A YouGov poll for the Sunday Times on January 26 showed 68 percent of people thought Prime Minister Tony Blair had failed to convince them of the need for war with Iraq. Some 26 percent said they were convinced Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was dangerous enough to necessitate a war.


FRANCE

A CSA Institute poll published on January 23 showed 73 percent of French people were against a U.S.-led attack on Iraq, up from 66 percent in a similar poll two weeks earlier.


GERMANY

An opinion poll by Germany's Forsa institute published a week ago found 69 percent of Germans wanted the country to vote against any U.N. resolution mandating war against Iraq. An Emnid poll in Der Spiegel news magazine showed 72 percent of Germans were against their troops joining any war.


SPAIN

A January poll by right-of-centre newspaper El Mundo found 80 percent of Spaniards opposed the U.S. stance towards war in Iraq while another by a radio station in the same month showed only 6.6 percent thought there were reasons to go to war. No official poll has been carried out since September, when two thirds of Spaniards opposed a war.


ITALY

A poll by Swg published on January 29 showed 72.7 percent of Italians disagreed with a U.S.-led preventative war against Iraq while 18.8 percent said they would support such action.


DENMARK

A Vilstrup Research poll published on January 25 showed 79 percent of Danes would oppose a U.S.-led war without a U.N. mandate while 57 percent would still oppose a war if there was a U.N. mandate.


CZECH REPUBLIC

A poll by the publicly-funded CVVM agency in the Czech Republic on Thursday showed 67 percent were against a war with Iraq and 24 percent of respondents were in favour. The support total falls to 13 percent without a second U.N. resolution while the percentage against the war rises to 76 percent.


HUNGARY

A Gallup poll published on January 27 showed 82 percent of Hungarians opposed military action under any circumstances. The remaining 18 percent said they would support a war but of those, two thirds said that support would be conditional on U.N. approval.


POLAND

A TNS-OBOP survey showed 63 percent of Poles opposed sending troops to join any action against Iraq but 52 percent thought the country should give political backing to the United States for any such action.


PORTUGAL

No official polls were available but an informal survey by Diario Digital showed opinion running almost two to one against Portugal supporting any U.S.-led action.

thats cuz their media doesnt feed them bullshit

Our Media feeds us bullshit too its just that we have easier acces to more varied sources of information - for the educated that is. Due to a way higher percentage of foreign language speakers and more different media opinions within the country.
A huge reason for the strong opposition in .de is also WW2 and our constitution which doesnt really allow any participation in a war outside Germany and in the case of no UN mandate it would mean outright braking our laws.

Also Oil or strategic dominance doesnt play any role in the thinking of most (by far I'd say) - germans that is. For several reasons: strategic geopolitical thinking has been eradicated in the past 60yrs - our oil dependence is much less than US and other countries due to traditionally high energy costs and therefore also high energy efficiency in Industry as well as for the public (home insulation, efficient heating blabla) Also the amount of oil that we get from the middle east is very small.

I'd say that is a factor too in finding an opinion about the whole thing - and nobody really beliefs that Iraq is a believable threat either