European Justice: 21 years in prison for killing 77 people

[actuarial]

Even so "getting 21 years" for this crime doesn't accurately give the full story. Consider Charles Manson. His life sentence really isn't since he can be released on parole. I could make a thread about that and go off on the system and not make a single false statement. I wouldn't because I know it would be illogical considering full context. He was up for parole, again, and to no ones surprise didn't get it. In norway the sentence isn't open ended but terminates unless the criminal is still seen as a threat, like Manson. Out really isn't all that different if one steps back and looks at the actual process.

And from some quick googling it looks like Manson ended up eligible for parole after only 7 years.

 

[Spungo]

If he goes to that prison, don't think they've said where he's going yet. Either way the goal of their prisons is rehabilitation, not lock someone up in a concrete cell for a set amount of time. Several here that have that philosophy, and its been shown to be more effective.

Still' he won't be allowed to interact with any prisoners in whatever prison he goes to.

wtf? I'm sure socially isolating someone so they get crazier and crazier is an effective way to rehabilitate people.

You telling me Norway is flush in cash and wouldn't have any other possible use for the cost of keeping him? No hungry children to feed, no medical bills to pay, no college costs to cover?

Actually yeah they did fix all of those problems. Child care is free, medical care is free, school is free. A lot of people don't seem to understand how much of a third world country the USA is at this time.

 

[StinkyPinky]

There's a few people here that haven't even bothered to read the article nor bother to look at the facts before ranting.I'm so surprised.

21 years is the max sentence under their law. They can, however, review at after 21 years in exceptional cases which his certainly is. He will never get out of jail

Oh, and their murder rate is a bare fraction of what the US has. So they are doing something correct. Probably because they don't have rampant poverty like the US has.

 

[zinfamous]

Look at what your prison for profit scheme has done for your own justice system. I mean shut up.

basically.

also, there is a near-certain chance that he will be in prison for life.

 

[zinfamous]

I agree, any chance we can get the garbage from Canada and Europe to shut up about U.S. politics?

maybe when our boarder dwellers stop running into Canada to try and get cheap, easy healthcare, they will be less concerned with our politics.


...Oh, and maybe when we stop buying their oil, too.

I could go on.

 

[Phokus]

OP is a retard. Breivek isn't getting out in 21 years, especially since he said he would do it again if he had the chance.

Sorry about your rightwing sociopath tea party loving norwegian going to prison forever though.

 

[chucky2]

There's a few people here that haven't even bothered to read the article nor bother to look at the facts before ranting.I'm so surprised.

21 years is the max sentence under their law. They can, however, review at after 21 years in exceptional cases which his certainly is. He will never get out of jail

Oh, and their murder rate is a bare fraction of what the US has. So they are doing something correct. Probably because they don't have rampant poverty like the US has.

Probably because they have a far more homogeneous society than the US has. Places in the US that have societal makeup such as Norway don't generally have problems like what you're referencing. We had 19 people shot in Chicago this past weekend. It doesn't have to do with how poor you are, it has to do with what kind of person you are (and are living around)...

Chuck

 

[monovillage]

maybe when our boarder dwellers stop running into Canada to try and get cheap, easy healthcare, they will be less concerned with our politics.


...Oh, and maybe when we stop buying their oil, too.

I could go on.

You mean border I bet.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Nobel committee gave him the Peace prize considering a couple of their more recent picks.

 

[OCGuy]

You mean border I bet.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Nobel committee gave him the Peace prize considering a couple of their more recent picks.

Yep, Obama has killed more people than this guy....Muslims too.....they have a lot in common.

 

[AstroManLuca]

he was fighting for a good cause imo.

Haha, oh wow, are you serious? I suppose you think Hitler had some good ideas too.

 

[OCGuy]

Haha, oh wow, are you serious? I suppose you think Hitler had some good ideas too.

Actually it would be intellectually dishonest to say Hitler or this guy never had a "good idea." It is just PC to say that because in the end they are/were monsters that killed innocents.

If you don't think more of this is coming in Europe, you are crazy. Those Nordic states enjoy low crime and a great standard of living. You think they are too stupid to break down crime statistics, like we are too PC to do here? You don't think they want to protect their way of life from ending up like France or the US?

I think in a decade's time we will see that people in the US are actually more tolerant of other cultures than some of those extremely white EU states that are just now starting to see the effects of immigration.

 

[Steeplerot]

I agree, any chance we can get the garbage from Canada and Europe to shut up about U.S. politics?

Now you know how most of the USA and the rest of the world feels like every time the US right opens their mouths about damn near anything under the sun.

 

[Rainsford]

Probably because they have a far more homogeneous society than the US has. Places in the US that have societal makeup such as Norway don't generally have problems like what you're referencing. We had 19 people shot in Chicago this past weekend. It doesn't have to do with how poor you are, it has to do with what kind of person you are (and are living around)...

Chuck

I think the point is that their society seems to do just fine with their justice system, while we struggle with ours. Certainly Norway and the US are vastly different countries...but that's sort of the point. And demanding that Norway copy American style justice sounds even goofier when you notice we haven't exactly produced stellar results with that model ourselves. If we're being honest, do we really think we've got this whole justice thing figured out well enough to lecture others on what they're doing wrong?

 

[chucky2]

I think the point is that their society seems to do just fine with their justice system, while we struggle with ours. Certainly Norway and the US are vastly different countries...but that's sort of the point. And demanding that Norway copy American style justice sounds even goofier when you notice we haven't exactly produced stellar results with that model ourselves. If we're being honest, do we really think we've got this whole justice thing figured out well enough to lecture others on what they're doing wrong?

Nope, never said we did. I was replying more to the comment about murder rate. It's easy to have no/very few murders when everyone is the same. We're not here in the US, and won't be for a very long time, if ever. Comparing any country that is homogeneous to the diverse US is just an oranges to apples comparison IMO.

Chuck

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I certainly respect Norway's right to run its justice system in whatever manner it deems appropriate, but it seems to me that any system that lacks the ability to impose a sentence greater than 21 years, regardless of the number of crimes committed, the nature of the crimes, and the defiance of the offender, is simply inadequate. At a minimum they should have the ability to sentence consecutively, which would allow Breivik to be sentenced to more than 1,600 years.

I can only think that other potential offenders will be emboldened by this case, since Breivik got everything he wanted, including a platform to spout off about his wacky ideas. I understand he will very likely be committed, after serving his sentence, in a way that will likely keep him locked up much longer, but regardless, his nominal sentence is only 21 years, which is just far too lenient for someone who killed 77 people in cold blood.

 

[Smoblikat]

21 years is a long time. If he accepts Jesus Christ as his lord and savior, he could be reformed by the end of his stay.

You mean if he gives up his identity and bows down to an invisible dude that noone has ever seen?

 

[Anarchist420]

I certainly respect Norway's right to run its justice system in whatever manner it deems appropriate, but it seems to me that any system that lacks the ability to impose a sentence greater than 21 years, regardless of the number of crimes committed, the nature of the crimes, and the defiance of the offender, is simply inadequate. At a minimum they should have the ability to sentence consecutively, which would allow Breivik to be sentenced to more than 1,600 years.

I can only think that other potential offenders will be emboldened by this case, since Breivik got everything he wanted, including a platform to spout off about his wacky ideas. I understand he will very likely be committed, after serving his sentence, in a way that will likely keep him locked up much longer, but regardless, his nominal sentence is only 21 years, which is just far too lenient for someone who killed 77 people in cold blood.

Well, they have a civil law system there while we have a common law system here... in the latter, there are unelected judge who have more discretion over the punishment.

I favor Xeer of course.

 

[Moonbeam]

A wise man doesn't ask a butcher how to fix a broken leg.

 

[blankslate]

I agree, any chance we can get the garbage from Canada and Europe to shut up about U.S. politics?

Now you know how most of the USA and the rest of the world feels like every time the US right opens their mouths about damn near anything under the sun.

^ pretty much.

 

[PingviN]

wtf? I'm sure socially isolating someone so they get crazier and crazier is an effective way to rehabilitate people.

I'm pretty sure having him beaten to death by other criminals is an effective way to rehabilitate people.

 

[DrPizza]

Prison is a wrong word for it. State funded hotel, more like it.

Yes, this is Norwegian prison. His "punishment" for killing 77 kids.

It seems that the Norwegian system is incredibly more successful than the US system. Rates of recidivism are a fraction of those in the US.

 

[biostud]

Nope, never said we did. I was replying more to the comment about murder rate. It's easy to have no/very few murders when everyone is the same.
Chuck

It's not about "everyone being the same". It's about a social system where very few are poor and that keeps crime rates low. Crime rates are lower in countries with solid welfare systems.

 

[Whiskey16]

I agree, any chance we can get the garbage from Canada and Europe to shut up about U.S. politics?

That's ripe you bloody hypocritical yank.

monovillage it is quite telling of your character that the complaint you raise in this thread is against non-yanks daring to mention your state! That in a thread concerning a yankee op bringing inane charges against all of Europe and the op on record for supporting and advocating Breivik's ethnic cleansing of all Muslim hordes.

You can't dare express outrage upon the op. Despicable.

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