Europe Is Baffled by the U.S. Supreme Court

[shira]

We aren't promised life and happiness and Europe can mind it's own business.

I guess the Declaration of Independence shows nothing about the intentions of the founding fathers:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

 

[shira]

Is there some reason why we should care what Europe thinks?

Excellent debating strategy: "I'm going to ignore the points you just made."

 

[shira]

nah, they use different statistical methods in measuring their health care which makes it seem better than it really is. typical tactic of liberals in power - you have to lie and tell everyone everything is OK otherwise the plebs will start getting antsy.

Right. Everyone is lying about the life-expectancy of Americans versus the rest of the first world. Everyone is lying about per-capita spending for health care in America versus the the rest of the first world.

And congratulations on another excellent debating strategy: "I can't produce specific data to refute your data, so I'm going to make the unsupported claim that you're playing games with data."

 

[monovillage]

That's a joke right? You don't actually believe something that stupid I hope.

It was the 1st picture, I thought Benedict Arnold was a good guess. Turns out it was King George the III.

 

[shira]

So Europeans think our healthcare law was anything like universal healthcare? Providing healthcare and saying "You must buy overpriced health insurance from greedy companies" are different things.

And liberals need to stop pretending the individual mandate is anything but a Republican "personal responsibility" scam to punish the poor.

So you're saying that you would be fine if Obamacare required that "You must buy fairly-priced health insurance from a government-sponsored, universal health-care plan?" Is this your point? I didn't think so.

The only reason Obamacare didn't get rid of "greedy companies" is that conservatives insist on a profit-based health-care system for America. Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

 

[monovillage]

You guys know that Europe isn't some monolithic entity where everyone wheres fruity hats right?

Health systems vary from country to country over there.

Here is a VERY light reading material on it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_systems_by_country#Europe

I saw a clip from Repo Games last night and found out some people think that Texas is a country and France is a State.

 

[shira]

Health care coverage is not deemed an affront to liberty.... federal government making laws forcing private citizens to purchase a specific product from a private third party is an affront to liberty.

So to repeat the point I just made: You would NOT find it an "affront to liberty" if the federal government made a law forcing private citizens to purchase health insurance from a federally-financed health-care system?

 

[a777pilot]

They are baffled?

There must not be any Conservatives in Europe.

The answer is simple.

Ship the sick to Europe.

4-5-2012

http://news.yahoo.com/europe-baffled-u-supreme-court-220944850.html

Europe Is Baffled by the U.S. Supreme Court

Fuck Europe.

 

[shira]

So cost should be the determining factor? Sorry, I'll take my liberty over cost any day.

So, since "life" is an "inalienable right" (= liberty) as declared by the Founding Fathers, and since you'll "take . . . liberty over cost any day," you're perfectly fine if we raise taxes substantially to fund a publically-financed system that provides free health care (= life) to all Americans?

 

[shira]

Fuck Europe.

And here we have a third, wonderful right-wing debating strategy: "Instead of responding to your points, I'm going to insult you."

 

[monovillage]

So, since "life" is an "inalienable right" (= liberty) as declared by the Founding Fathers, and since you'll "take . . . liberty over cost any day," you're perfectly fine if we raise taxes substantially to fund a publically-financed system that provides free health care (= life) to all Americans?

It's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.
The part that says pursuit of happiness covers it since I can't pursue happiness if the fucking government steals my money with high taxes to pay for other peoples health care.
Use a better argument.

 

[a777pilot]

And here we have a third, wonderful right-wing debating strategy: "Instead of responding to your points, I'm going to insult you."

Read, Sir, read.

I am insulting Europe, not you. Actually I am basically telling Europe to get their own house in order and we will ours.

This BoboCare law needs to be repealed and this nation needs to have a serious and very open debate on insurance reform and health care improvements. This current law is a mess. Well, Nancy was right. We needed to pass it to see what was in it. We are beginning to see what is in it and it is mostly shit. We need a do-over.

 

[a777pilot]

p.s., If you meant that I should respond to the points made in reference to our system by Europe, well, I did. Fuck Europe! They have no say in our deliberations.

 

[shira]

Read, Sir, read.

I am insulting Europe, not you. Actually I am basically telling Europe to get their own house in order and we will ours.

This BoboCare law needs to be repealed and this nation needs to have a serious and very open debate on insurance reform and health care improvements. This current law is a mess. Well, Nancy was right. We needed to pass it to see what was in it. We are beginning to see what is in it and it is mostly shit. We need a do-over.

Europe was the "voice" I was referring to. "Europe" made the argument, and your response to that argument was, "Fuck Europe."

 

[shira]

p.s., If you meant that I should respond to the points made in reference to our system by Europe, well, I did. Fuck Europe! They have no say in our deliberations.

Which takes you back to "Excellent right-wing debating strategy #1": "I'm going to ignore the points you just made."

 

[Ausm]

Can we send that dumb box to Russia?

 

[Ausm]

Read, Sir, read.

I am insulting Europe, not you. Actually I am basically telling Europe to get their own house in order and we will ours.

This BoboCare law needs to be repealed and this nation needs to have a serious and very open debate on insurance reform and health care improvements. This current law is a mess. Well, Nancy was right. We needed to pass it to see what was in it. We are beginning to see what is in it and it is mostly shit. We need a do-over.

What parts of the ACA law don't you like besides the Republican idea of the individual mandate to help pad Big Insurances pockets?

 

[l337B337Z]

I especially detest the last two Presidents, but respect the Office as much as always. I'll take our flawed system of checks and balances and our constitutional republic (even our corrupted and fetid health care system) over King George any day.

Republic? More like the ensuing Dystopia.

Until I stop paying taxes for counter-productive sh** like a giant war machine that props the petro-chemical industry which is forcing me to breath unclean air, and a hideous healthcare system for old people who get heart valves replaced even though they are demented(cough dick Cheney's heart transplant paid for by us tax payers), I would like to know how forcing people to pay for regular healthcare, preventative or otherwise, for healthy young people is such a bad thing.

The supreme court is so inconsistent, corrupt and politically motivated, that I hardly think these "geniuses" are going to fool anyone with their grade school logic, especially as we pound the earth into submission to make sure all of our cars eat 'Broccoli.'

 

[ichy]

This BoboCare law needs to be repealed and this nation needs to have a serious and very open debate on insurance reform and health care improvements.

Thanks to morons like Sarah Palin with their ignorant hysteria about death panels it's impossible to have a serious debate about healthcare.

 

[Matthiasa]

It's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.
The part that says pursuit of happiness covers it since I can't pursue happiness if the fucking government steals my money with high taxes to pay for other peoples health care.
Use a better argument.

You also cant pursue happiness when you are dead... but minor details right?

Unless you know you can pursue it to a greater extent while dead... you might have a point then.
In which case that is contradictory to the life part though.

 

[a777pilot]

What parts of the ACA law don't you like besides the Republican idea of the individual mandate to help pad Big Insurances pockets?

All of it.

 

[ichy]

All of it.

Lol, spoken like someone who probably doesn't even know what's in the law.

 

[shira]

All of it.

You don't like parents be able to include children up to the age of 26 on their family insurance policies?

You don't like insurance companies being barred from rejecting applicants for coverage because of pre-existing conditions?

You don't like insurance companies being barred from imposing lifetime limits on benefits?

You don't like poor families being provided with subsides to help them afford health care coverage?

 

[a777pilot]

Lol, spoken like someone who probably doesn't even know what's in the law.

....and neither does anyone else.

What part of this stupidity, the ACA, do you find worthy of keeping?

 

[cybrsage]

About that life part... but sure happiness was only the pursuit of but all the same. 😛

Something about unalienable rights but I guess that doesn't matter?

The Declaration is not a legally binding document. It has no say in US Law.