EU tires of Iran jerking them around

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When the EU first began attempting a dialog with Iran on their nuclear development I predicted that the EU would learn what the US already knows - Iran can't be trusted to keep their word and having diplomatic talks with them is about as frustrating as trying to form water into a ball with your hands. Now that they've finally recognized that, the EU has called off an upcoming meeting with Iran. Not only that, but there may be some discussion of levying UN sanctions on Iran for reneging on the Paris agreement.

Could this be the first step in French plans for invading Iran? ;)

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=1063448&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

EU starts to get tough with Iran

PARIS, Aug 23 (AFP) - France, Britain and Germany have called off a planned meeting with Iran on August 31 because of Tehran's decision to resume sensitive nuclear activities, the French foreign ministry said Tuesday.

A spokesman, Jean-Baptiste Mattei, said Iran's decision to resume uranium conversion work had broken the terms of an agreement signed in Paris in November 2004 under which Tehran voluntarily suspended the activities.

The three countries, acting on behalf of the EU, this month offered Iran nuclear technology, including access to nuclear fuel, increased trade and help with Tehran's regional security concerns as part of a wide-ranging nuclear deal.

But Tehran rejected it because the

European proposal was conditional on Iran's ceasing uranium enrichment, which can lead to the production of weapons-grade material. Iran then went ahead and resumed preliminary uranium conversion work.

In the package of measures, the Europeans suggested an August 31 meeting, but Mattei said they had jointly decided to abandon it because of the breach of the Paris agreement.

But he added: "This does not mean that there will not be any contacts with the Iranians."

Iranian nuclear negotiator Hossein Moussavian criticised the move, saying it was the Europeans who were reneging on the Paris agreement.

"The fact that the Europeans do not want to talk on August 31 shows that they intend to continue negotiations without respect to the Paris accord."

He said that Iran had already told the European countries that "if their proposals did not recognise Iran's rights then they would be unacceptable," quoted by the semi-official Mehr agency.

Talks with the European Union have consistently stumbled over Iran's right to uranium enrichment, which Europe would like Tehran to permanently renounce as a watertight guarantee that it will not develop nuclear weapons.

Uranium conversion is the precursor to enrichment.

French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said on August 12 that France was waiting for a report by the International Atomic Energy Agency on September 3 before deciding how to proceed.

Failure to agree could lead the Europeans to seek UN Security Council sanctions against Iran.

The United States accuses Iran of secretly trying to develop nuclear weapons under cover of its civilian atomic energy program.
 
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Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?
No way. Any attempt would be a huge flustercluck no matter how you slice it. Unfortunately all we can do is pressure Iran politically and hope for an eventual internal revolution. Fortunately, hard-core, religious-based govenments historically have not shown much staying power.

 

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Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?

Of course he does. They're brown people who don't believe in Jesus that have oil. What more reason would he need?
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?

Of course he does. They're brown people who don't believe in Jesus that have oil. What more reason would he need?

Worthless troll.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?

Of course he does. They're brown people who don't believe in Jesus that have oil. What more reason would he need?

Worthless troll.

Thanks. Have a :cookie: for responding.
 

Stunt

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Eatspam...don't even attempt to label anyone a troll after the comment you made.

Your assumptions were uncalled for and totally irrational. Keep your cookies to yourself.
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?
No way. Any attempt would be a huge flustercluck no matter how you slice it. Unfortunately all we can do is pressure Iran politically and hope for an eventual internal revolution. Fortunately, hard-core, religious-based govenments historically have not shown much staying power.

No worries there, if talks fail we will encourage Isreal to remove the problem, afterall Iran can't hate Israel anymore than they already do.
 

Czar

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:D
totaly unrelated to the thread topic, but its fantastic to see everyone calling out trolls when they see them, people from all over, need more of this
 

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?

Of course he does. They're brown people who don't believe in Jesus that have oil. What more reason would he need?

3 posts up he explains why he DOES NOT support military action. You're an idiot troll.
 

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Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?
No way. Any attempt would be a huge flustercluck no matter how you slice it. Unfortunately all we can do is pressure Iran politically and hope for an eventual internal revolution. Fortunately, hard-core, religious-based govenments historically have not shown much staying power.

No worries there, if talks fail we will encourage Isreal to remove the problem, afterall Iran can't hate Israel anymore than they already do.


indeed. and apparantly Israel never has to take responsibility for their actions, at least when it comes to the eyes of Americans
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Czar
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totaly unrelated to the thread topic, but its fantastic to see everyone calling out trolls when they see them, people from all over, need more of this
Shut up troll!! ;)
 
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Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?
No way. Any attempt would be a huge flustercluck no matter how you slice it. Unfortunately all we can do is pressure Iran politically and hope for an eventual internal revolution. Fortunately, hard-core, religious-based govenments historically have not shown much staying power.

No worries there, if talks fail we will encourage Isreal to remove the problem, afterall Iran can't hate Israel anymore than they already do.


indeed. and apparantly Israel never has to take responsibility for their actions, at least when it comes to the eyes of Americans
I don't get that impression from many of the Americans in here. :)

 

lozina

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?
No way. Any attempt would be a huge flustercluck no matter how you slice it. Unfortunately all we can do is pressure Iran politically and hope for an eventual internal revolution. Fortunately, hard-core, religious-based govenments historically have not shown much staying power.

No worries there, if talks fail we will encourage Isreal to remove the problem, afterall Iran can't hate Israel anymore than they already do.


indeed. and apparantly Israel never has to take responsibility for their actions, at least when it comes to the eyes of Americans
I don't get that impression from many of the Americans in here. :)


non-influential Americans are irrelevant :)
 

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?
No way. Any attempt would be a huge flustercluck no matter how you slice it. Unfortunately all we can do is pressure Iran politically and hope for an eventual internal revolution. Fortunately, hard-core, religious-based govenments historically have not shown much staying power.

What do you mean by historically ? I thought there had been heaps of long-lived theocracies - babylon, the byzantine empire, egypt, incas, mayans etc.

The vatican is still kicking around pretty well, although they are arguably not 'hard-core' I suppose.

 
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Originally posted by: Velk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Stunt
TLC, do you support military action against Iran?
No way. Any attempt would be a huge flustercluck no matter how you slice it. Unfortunately all we can do is pressure Iran politically and hope for an eventual internal revolution. Fortunately, hard-core, religious-based govenments historically have not shown much staying power.

What do you mean by historically ? I thought there had been heaps of long-lived theocracies - babylon, the byzantine empire, egypt, incas, mayans etc.
How many babylonian, byzantine, ancient egyptian, incan, or mayan government officials do you see walking around today? ;)

All kidding aside, "historically" would only go back a few centuries to be relevant to my statement since social conscuiosness has changed since the times of the governments you cite. imo, social consciousness is the primary driving force in government. Government generally lags behind it, sometimes by decades or longer, but that consciousness has not, so far, been prevented from making progress.

The vatican is still kicking around pretty well, although they are arguably not 'hard-core' I suppose.
I'm not sure the vatican could be considered much of a "government", in the common sense of the term, since the only state they really control is basically their own church estate.
 

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Originally posted by: lozina

... apparantly Israel never has to take responsibility for their actions, at least when it comes to the eyes of Americans

Based on responses of many people here, they also do not look at history.
Amazing when facts are presented, certains topics seem to die.

Opinions and ideals are debatable, facts are not.

Another thread existed earlier this week on Sharon pulling out of Gaza and people were pulling for the "poor" downtrodden suppressed Arabs.


 

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I guess they have learned that Iran is always telling lies and can not be trusted. The sill people at the EU are always trusting these third world countries then they stab them in the back and start making enriched Uranium for a nuclear bomb project. How stupid can the EU be?
 

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Originally posted by: piasabird
I guess they have learned that Iran is always telling lies and can not be trusted. The sill people at the EU are always trusting these third world countries then they stab them in the back and start making enriched Uranium for a nuclear bomb project. How stupid can the EU be?

Those silly diplomacy fanatics!

The EU negotiations are supported by the US. I mean, who wouldn't prefer a diplomatic solution over a violent one or none? One could even go farther and describe the Western strategy as good cop-bad cop constellation (with the US as big bully on the horizon, in case of diplomatic failure).

Plus, I'd like to underscore that Iran only broke international agreements now, contrary to some beliefs in this forum. It's totally unrealistic that the EU won't countinue their diplomatic contacts with Teheran. The US too deals with untrustworthy countries, like North Korea, and as long as the possibility to succeed persists, they will countinue the diplomatic route. Being a democracy comes at some cost for the short term, but it increases the own credibility in the long run.
 

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Prediction-

If Israel decides to attack Iran, AND Iran retaliates (they may have more of an ability to do this than many here give credit), NeoCons will be calling for the US to attack Iran even if they now say they don't support it.