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EU: Military action would need UN, Arab support AP * o

JEDIYoda

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I totally agree!! There is noway we should even think about going this alone!!
All to often our European allies have sat back and not done sqwat!!
It time for others to step up to the plate!!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110311/ap_on_re_eu/libya_diplomacy
By RAF CASERT and DON MELVIN, Associated Press Raf Casert And Don Melvin, Associated Press – Fri Mar 11, 3:55 pm ET

BRUSSELS – An emergency European Union summit on Libya brought a no-fly zone no closer, but leaders embraced a new Libyan opposition group as a viable partner after cutting all contact with strongman Moammar Gadhafi.

The EU said Friday that the option of military action to protect Libyans from attacks by Gadhafi's forces remained, but only if it has sufficient diplomatic backing. The 27 EU leaders were, however, unanimous in saying the fighting could not continue on Europe's southern doorstep.

"If we don't sort out the current problems, the risk is ... a failed pariah state festering on Europe's southern border threatening our security," British Prime Minister David Cameron said.

Government leaders at Friday's summit backed Libya's opposition council, but stopped short of bestowing on it the diplomatic recognition France gave it on Thursday. Some EU leaders were upset President Nicolas Sarkozy had taken that action one day before the meeting, which was meant to decide a common strategy.

"Everyone agrees that Gadhafi is no longer an interlocutor," Sarkozy said Friday. "Everyone agrees that the opposition council is a political interlocutor who we should welcome and encourage."

Gadhafi responded by severing diplomatic ties with France. Deputy Foreign Minister Khaled Qaid told reporters in Tripoli Friday that "Libya decided to suspend its ties with France" but gave no explanation or details.

Four days ago, Libya's Interim Governing Council was a little known umbrella group of Gadhafi opponents based in Benghazi. In a diplomatic coup which started with an appearance at the European Parliament on Tuesday, it was granted official status in France on Thursday and became Europe's foremost opposition partner a day later.

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating, but we consider them as sufficiently reliable at this stage to work with," EU President Herman Van Rompuy said.

He said that even though some of the new council officials had worked with Gadhafi in the past, it was still a brave decision to join the rebels. "Some of them are even risking their lives with that gesture," he said.

The recognition coincided with a call from the EU leaders for Gadhafi to relinquish power. "European leaders were united, categorical and crystal clear: Gadhafi must go," Cameron said.

But Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi said threats to hold Gadhafi to account for his actions had been counterproductive.

"From the moment in which someone launched a proposal to send Gadhafi to the international tribunal, I believe that Gadhafi hardened his resolve to remain in power," Berlusconi told reporters in Brussels. "I don't believe that anyone can change his mind."

Berlusconi said that he has spoken only once with Gadhafi since the unrest began.

Italy, a former colonial power in Libya, enjoys close political and economic ties with the northern African country, and Berlusconi has had close ties with Gadhafi..

During Friday's talks, France and Britain pushed to maintain the military option because of continued fighting in Libya and the threat of more violence by the forces of Gadhafi, who has used at least some European-made weapons to attack his own people. Sarkozy even spoke of targeted military action if Gadhafi used chemical arms.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel remained wary. "On the basis of today I don't see a military intervention," Merkel said. "I'm generally skeptical because you always have to have an end in mind."

She said that once there was a proper legal basis — which included a mandate from the U.N. Security Council and support from regional organizations like the African Union and the Arab League — as well as a clear need, military intervention could be an option.

"When all the requirements have been met then we can consider it — yes or no," Merkel said.

To coordinate action with the regional forces, the EU will meet in a summit "soon" with the Arab League and the African Union.

With their backing, and that of the U.N. Security Council, the EU leaders said they want to go as far as needed to remove Gadhafi from power.

"Our objective is the safety of the people, and the safety of the people has to be ensured by all necessary means," EU President Herman van Rompuy said.

Cameron said the EU leaders strengthened financial sanctions and were clear in saying that Gadhafi must go.

But, asked whether the EU had done enough on Friday, Cameron sounded equivocal.

"I think it is progress, but sometimes progress can take some time when you're having 27 conversations around the table," he said.
 

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"If we don't sort out the current problems, the risk is ... a failed pariah state festering on Europe's southern border threatening our security," British Prime Minister David Cameron said.

Whats wrong with Mexico?!

Anyways unlike Eygpts these rebels against Gadhafi are not to be trusted. Fools like McCain are even putting the option of arming them. This could very easily turn out to be a new Al Queda. Its just so Afghanistan all over again.

French taking charge? Good for them...
 

OCGuy

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Can this finally be the issue that AT P&N agrees on? Can we not all agree that this has nothing to do with the US, and that we should stay out of it at all costs?

Nobody who has ever seen me post here would ever accuse me of being an Obama supporter, but I am giving 100% backing to his response to this crisis so far.
 

Herr Kutz

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This is in no way the U.S.'s problem. The EU and Arabs should foot the ENTIRE bill of any military action taken and the U.S. military should not be involved at all. If we get involved it will be used as more Anti-American propaganda by those (EU and Arab) countries, and we will get nothing in return but further debt.
 
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Londo_Jowo

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I agree the US should stay out of this, JEDIYoda with the help of the Arabs (nasty fucking Muslims) and the EU should take over Libya. Once this is done Israel can ship the Palestinians there and claim the the remaining Palestinian land as theirs.
 

wuliheron

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Ooooh, a photo op for all the politicians the Middle East and Europe where they get to say almost anything they want and nobody will hold them accountable. When they actually do something let us know.
 

CanOWorms

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LOL, typical European talk. How are they even going to be able to do anything with their token military power? Even the British SAS forces proved no match for the third-world civilian rebels in Libya. And they want to take on Qaddafi's better-armed forces!

Plus, how are they going to get through the EU's pro-Qaddafi block of Malta, Portugal, Italy, etc.?

This is all about European energy security and fear of a flow of migrants to Europe.
 

wuliheron

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This is all about European energy security and fear of a flow of migrants to Europe.


Ding, ding, ding... we have a winner!

The idea of the French in particular leading any military effort is both humorous and scary. Still, they have a considerable Muslim population now and at least have to provide reassurances that they aren't being ignored.
 

Pocatello

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A bunch of ruthless Arab dictators get together and agree to get rid of another ruthless Arab dictator...that would be the day.
 

Herr Kutz

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In case anyone is interested in who receives the most oil from Libya, here are the numbers:

International Energy Agency (Feb 2011)
http://www.iea.org/files/facts_libya.pdf

So Europe wants to start a war over oil and claim it is a humanitarian mission...

France (as well as the UK) seems especially keen to intervene militarily. In such a case I see ZERO reason to provide ANY assistance whatsoever.
 

Nebor

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It's heartening to see so many people against military action for once. The US has no interests in Libya. Let them kill each other and struggle for power like the rest of Africa.
 

JSt0rm

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It's heartening to see so many people against military action for once. The US has no interests in Libya. Let them kill each other and struggle for power like the rest of Africa.

it will be 30 years before we make the same mistake again.
 

Nebor

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it will be 30 years before we make the same mistake again.

Eh, I'm a big proponent of projecting US power around the world, but it should be done in OUR interests, not those of a foreign people. We'll have more wars in the near term future. Keep an eye on Yemen and Iran. Us and half of Europe is just waiting for Iran to give us a reason.
 

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I don't see the US getting involved in a ground war, but that doesn't mean we won't spend a couple of days knocking out their air defenses and taking pot shots at Gaddafi to give the rebels a fighting chance and encourage Gaddafi to leave the country. We'll just have to wait and see.
 

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No intervention, no no-fly-zone, stay away, far away. Let the Libyans deal with their own problems.

No NATO member was attacked or threatened, so I do not see why the alliance should act.
 

Karl Agathon

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I agree with the consensus here. The U.S. shouldn't put boots on the ground or commit air resources to protect the fee flow of oil to Red China.
 

Doppel

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The world is spending so long on this by the time they decide anything Gadhafi will be back in power across Libya. And then it will be too late.
 

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The world is spending so long on this by the time they decide anything Gadhafi will be back in power across Libya. And then it will be too late.

The world as usual is waiting for the United States to come and try to save the day. Well guess what world? You step up this time!!! :mad:
 

Schadenfroh

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The world as usual is waiting for the United States to come and try to save the day. Well guess what world? You step up this time!!! :mad:

Then they can bitch at us for meddling in the affairs of other nations, accidentally killing civilians, etc.

Not this time, no more world police, let the Libyans deal with it or some group from the UN that does not include us.
 

manimal

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The chinese just sent a boat into the Med for the first time...maybe they want a crack at it....
 

wuliheron

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The chinese just sent a boat into the Med for the first time...maybe they want a crack at it....

That's exactly what I predicted. The idea that this is merely an "internal affair" is completely misplaced.

This is a question of territoriality. With the exception of Iran the US pretty much controls the entire territory with Europe playing second fiddle, Russia possibly third, and now China showing it wants in on the action as well. Unless Gaddafi can regain control in short order, which looks likely, everyone and his brother will start making noises about how they want to be next one in line to screw the Middle East (you sexy thing you.)
 
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Genx87

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That's exactly what I predicted. The idea that this is merely an "internal affair" is completely misplaced.

This is a question of territoriality. With the exception of Iran the US pretty much controls the entire territory with Europe playing second fiddle, Russia possibly third, and now China showing it wants in on the action as well. Unless Gaddafi can regain control in short order, which looks likely, everyone and his brother will start making noises about how they want to be next one in line to screw the Middle East (you sexy thing you.)

If china wants to waste resources on Libya, let them.
 

Patranus

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The United States was once the beacon of freedom in the world.

Now we are too big of pussies to stand up for what we believe in.

Obama is going to sit on his hands like he did with Iran while these people are slaughtered.

By the time these ass clowns get their act together it will be too late.

It is despicable.
 

Chaotic42

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The United States was once the beacon of freedom in the world.

Now we are too big of pussies to stand up for what we believe in.

Obama is going to sit on his hands like he did with Iran while these people are slaughtered.

By the time these ass clowns get their act together it will be too late.

It is despicable.

There is and has been civil unrest in many countries, and many countries are brutal dictatorships. It's sad, but it's not our job to go in and bring democracy to the world. Would you have us go into Somalia? North Korea? Should we have gone into Egypt? I'm curious as to what your boundaries are for entering into uprisings around the world and how you'd go about paying for those wars.