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CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Ummm.. ok, thanks for letting me know. I personally don't look into individual beatings by individual people in Europe, I tend to focus more on government-sanctioned actions & society's overall sentiment. I don't need to look at things on such a small-scale when so many large-scale things are happening at a horrendous rate that humans rights groups and even the head of the UN are getting concerned.

I think I'm now going to start reading about those Belgium soldiers who wasted their bullets shooting monkeys and so they had to chop off the limbs of natives as an alibi. I've heard that it's become a legendary, heroic story.

you are so right

I want to remind you of the peaceful history of the USA

I love it when a European likes to talk about history and the USA! So ironic when Europe raped and pillaged the world 100x over, without any regard for human life. Of course they probably didn't consider those people that they loved to slaughter humans at all.

Anyways, the US had plenty of resources and legislation working against the KKK and bringing them down.


Which countries history started with a genocide? Which country celebrates that?

Europe has a bloody history of wars, no doubt about that, but to state that in this day and age, a majority of Europeans, or even Slovenians are rasists is just taking the issue way beyond what you can get through history.

CanOworms or whatever the little Euro hater calls himself is nothing but a punk trying to distort the truth, he has already shown his true colors by bolding out a statement, excluding the word "never" and then claim in another thread that the bolded quote was actually true.

Regarding the Slovenians, the biggest problem for most people who are not citizens is that they have to speak the language, it isn't exclusive to Slovenia to have that rule. Many students get citizenship because they can pass the tests, automatic citizenship for a recently created country isn't common no matter which country you look at.

But of course, Can o sh!t reads EU and minorities in the same sentence, and that is enough for him.

If you're talking about the US, then I think you need to read some history because European people were running around then. And if you want to talk about history, let's do so, because nobody has a more gross, disgusting, and horrendous history than Europe, which still occurs in modern times. It's a tangent that I'll go on if you wish.

I said in this very thread that I think the majority of Slovenians don't actually believe in sub-humans. Of course you choose to ignore it and just insult me. 95% of the population did vote against restoring these people their rights. How is that distorting the truth? Is it a lie when you don't agree with it?

This coming from the guy that said Europeans hug each other and everyone else in the world because they're lovers, not haters :) You live in some strange idealized world, and when I show the truth and shatter your faulty vision, you go ballistic and violent. This is also the guy that called me a bigot because I said people are equal in humanity, that there should be no sub-humans.

Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

I don't even know where to start with this bs, most of the bs you claim i have said i haven't said.

You really should stop with the crack smoking, it is seriously rotting your eh... forget i said that.

You don't seem to get it, Slovenia is newly created, with a part of their population which do not speak their language at ALL, don't follow their culture and have no ideas of their law, how could they? If they are driving and being stopped, the police cannot communicate with them in any way, what the people voted against was automatic citizenship for those in the country at the time of creation, what you DON'T understand is that you would probably get the same response from US citizens if you voted that TODAY, everyone in the US would get automatic citizenship.

You try to make things into something they are not, then claim you are right, time and time again.

Maybe you should grow up before trying to discuss politics?

Thanks for proving my point.

'THEY'RE NOT HUMAN BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT THAN ME" - Klixxer?

Another quote that you just pulled out of your ass? Of course, the truth has nothing on you, does it?

*sigh* I shouldn't have expected anything else from you.

lol

wow, i can't believe this lol
 
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: freegeeks
Ummm.. ok, thanks for letting me know. I personally don't look into individual beatings by individual people in Europe, I tend to focus more on government-sanctioned actions & society's overall sentiment. I don't need to look at things on such a small-scale when so many large-scale things are happening at a horrendous rate that humans rights groups and even the head of the UN are getting concerned.

I think I'm now going to start reading about those Belgium soldiers who wasted their bullets shooting monkeys and so they had to chop off the limbs of natives as an alibi. I've heard that it's become a legendary, heroic story.

you are so right

I want to remind you of the peaceful history of the USA

I love it when a European likes to talk about history and the USA! So ironic when Europe raped and pillaged the world 100x over, without any regard for human life. Of course they probably didn't consider those people that they loved to slaughter humans at all.

Anyways, the US had plenty of resources and legislation working against the KKK and bringing them down.


Which countries history started with a genocide? Which country celebrates that?

Europe has a bloody history of wars, no doubt about that, but to state that in this day and age, a majority of Europeans, or even Slovenians are rasists is just taking the issue way beyond what you can get through history.

CanOworms or whatever the little Euro hater calls himself is nothing but a punk trying to distort the truth, he has already shown his true colors by bolding out a statement, excluding the word "never" and then claim in another thread that the bolded quote was actually true.

Regarding the Slovenians, the biggest problem for most people who are not citizens is that they have to speak the language, it isn't exclusive to Slovenia to have that rule. Many students get citizenship because they can pass the tests, automatic citizenship for a recently created country isn't common no matter which country you look at.

But of course, Can o sh!t reads EU and minorities in the same sentence, and that is enough for him.

If you're talking about the US, then I think you need to read some history because European people were running around then. And if you want to talk about history, let's do so, because nobody has a more gross, disgusting, and horrendous history than Europe, which still occurs in modern times. It's a tangent that I'll go on if you wish.

I said in this very thread that I think the majority of Slovenians don't actually believe in sub-humans. Of course you choose to ignore it and just insult me. 95% of the population did vote against restoring these people their rights. How is that distorting the truth? Is it a lie when you don't agree with it?

This coming from the guy that said Europeans hug each other and everyone else in the world because they're lovers, not haters :) You live in some strange idealized world, and when I show the truth and shatter your faulty vision, you go ballistic and violent. This is also the guy that called me a bigot because I said people are equal in humanity, that there should be no sub-humans.

Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

I don't even know where to start with this bs, most of the bs you claim i have said i haven't said.

You really should stop with the crack smoking, it is seriously rotting your eh... forget i said that.

You don't seem to get it, Slovenia is newly created, with a part of their population which do not speak their language at ALL, don't follow their culture and have no ideas of their law, how could they? If they are driving and being stopped, the police cannot communicate with them in any way, what the people voted against was automatic citizenship for those in the country at the time of creation, what you DON'T understand is that you would probably get the same response from US citizens if you voted that TODAY, everyone in the US would get automatic citizenship.

You try to make things into something they are not, then claim you are right, time and time again.

Maybe you should grow up before trying to discuss politics?

Wow, what a great idea! Let's pretend that this entire group of people don't even exist because they're different than us!

You make me sick.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Klixxer said:

The example of Germany, Nazism, divided by CCCP and US, has actually become a whole nation, i know this bugs you and i know that Germany not agreeing with everything any American says anymore and bows down in shame bothers you, but please.

Nowdays, some americans are so blind, so just when they can't get the Europeans to jump when they say jump, they think they are the enemy, i am sorry, but i won't jump for you or anyone else.

Considering that some of the countries that I'm most critical of, especially the Netherlands, are following US actions, pretty much dispells your statement.

I don't expect much from someone from a country that had ethnic-based citizenship rules until recently. I think the belief that you are superior and others are beneath you is just too deep in your mind. Hopefully future generations will change. You're blind to the articles I post, the worries of human rights groups, the UN, etc.

You still don't get it, and you never will, because what you are looking for is one side only, refusing to see that there is another side that is a LOT bigger, we're not racists, Nazis or anything else you accuse us of.

The sad part of it all is that you are as reluctant to accept that your own country has faults, i am not, it makes me a patriot and you a nationalist.

Hitler would have loved you.

Yes, Hitler would have loved me since I am so white. I am the typical white, blonde hair, blue eyed superior person. Yes, Hitler would have so loved me talking about equality regardless of skin color, religion, culture, etc.

You don't get it. You criticize me and call me a bigot because I want people to be equal. You say that I can't see anything wrong with my country when I criticize it all the time. You're just blind and brainwashed.

Bottom line is, you just want to ignore the situation. You know it's wrong. But you won't admit that it's wrong. You just try to make up some excuses, or try to redirect the conversation on a tangent. You've even gone so far as to call me a bigot when I was talking about anti-apartheid activists and other human rights issues. Honestly, I don't even think you know what the word 'bigot' means because it's so ridiculous for you to use it in that sense.

Your previous reply shows just how different you are. You think it's ok to discriminate against certain groups of people if they're different. I'm guessing that just because it doesn't affect you, you just don't care about it. And that's a dangerous way to live.

No, YOU don't get it, you probably never will, racism isn't any worse than it has been, sure, there are obscure leaders like LePen who are too right wing nationalists, but their influence is as big as the influence a fart in canada has in the US, get it?

Bottom line is, you want to make something out of nothing.

I ask you, what have YOU done to end racism and neo-nazism in the US?

Ok, so i assume that you are willing to open the borders of the US and make everyone who wants to enter and automatic citizen?

Bottom line is this: i put my life on the line so that people who are now entering the EU could, i welcome them, traveling is free within, it saddens me that that closes the borders further, kinda like between the states and outsided the states of US.

The same people others have claimed we want to opress and keep out are now free to travel just as other EU citizens, it should be something to applaud.

AND you are obviously confusing me with someone else.
 

jagec

Lifer
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Here's my question.

When you guys are quoting someone else, do you EVER THINK to edit it a little bit so that people don't have to scroll through half a page of repeated posts, to see what you're trying to say?

Honestly, this issue affects me personally much more than human rights.:p
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Klixxer said:

The example of Germany, Nazism, divided by CCCP and US, has actually become a whole nation, i know this bugs you and i know that Germany not agreeing with everything any American says anymore and bows down in shame bothers you, but please.

Nowdays, some americans are so blind, so just when they can't get the Europeans to jump when they say jump, they think they are the enemy, i am sorry, but i won't jump for you or anyone else.

Considering that some of the countries that I'm most critical of, especially the Netherlands, are following US actions, pretty much dispells your statement.

I don't expect much from someone from a country that had ethnic-based citizenship rules until recently. I think the belief that you are superior and others are beneath you is just too deep in your mind. Hopefully future generations will change. You're blind to the articles I post, the worries of human rights groups, the UN, etc.

You still don't get it, and you never will, because what you are looking for is one side only, refusing to see that there is another side that is a LOT bigger, we're not racists, Nazis or anything else you accuse us of.

The sad part of it all is that you are as reluctant to accept that your own country has faults, i am not, it makes me a patriot and you a nationalist.

Hitler would have loved you.

Yes, Hitler would have loved me since I am so white. I am the typical white, blonde hair, blue eyed superior person. Yes, Hitler would have so loved me talking about equality regardless of skin color, religion, culture, etc.

You don't get it. You criticize me and call me a bigot because I want people to be equal. You say that I can't see anything wrong with my country when I criticize it all the time. You're just blind and brainwashed.

Bottom line is, you just want to ignore the situation. You know it's wrong. But you won't admit that it's wrong. You just try to make up some excuses, or try to redirect the conversation on a tangent. You've even gone so far as to call me a bigot when I was talking about anti-apartheid activists and other human rights issues. Honestly, I don't even think you know what the word 'bigot' means because it's so ridiculous for you to use it in that sense.

Your previous reply shows just how different you are. You think it's ok to discriminate against certain groups of people if they're different. I'm guessing that just because it doesn't affect you, you just don't care about it. And that's a dangerous way to live.

No, YOU don't get it, you probably never will, racism isn't any worse than it has been, sure, there are obscure leaders like LePen who are too right wing nationalists, but their influence is as big as the influence a fart in canada has in the US, get it?

Bottom line is, you want to make something out of nothing.

I ask you, what have YOU done to end racism and neo-nazism in the US?

Ok, so i assume that you are willing to open the borders of the US and make everyone who wants to enter and automatic citizen?

Bottom line is this: i put my life on the line so that people who are now entering the EU could, i welcome them, traveling is free within, it saddens me that that closes the borders further, kinda like between the states and outsided the states of US.

The same people others have claimed we want to opress and keep out are now free to travel just as other EU citizens, it should be something to applaud.

AND you are obviously confusing me with someone else.

I think Le Pen received 18% of the votes. That's quite a lot. It is not nothing. They do have significant support.

Also, you have to remember the influence of these racist political parties in mainstream politics and society. How did 95% of Slovenia vote, just last week or so, to continue believing that these minorities have no rights, contradicting the court's recommendations? It's not like Slovenia is a third-world country.

How about the Netherlands, where far-right politics have entered mainstream. How about Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark etc? What about France, Germany, etc. where traditionally humans rights supporting parties are now joining forces with radicals to target Muslims? Italy wanting to punish the Chinese for being successful? etc etc etc it keeps going on. This isn't one person doing something. It's a disturbing trend happening in Europe.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: jagec
Here's my question.

When you guys are quoting someone else, do you EVER THINK to edit it a little bit so that people don't have to scroll through half a page of repeated posts, to see what you're trying to say?

Honestly, this issue affects me personally much more than human rights.:p

lol :)
 

Klixxer

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Apr 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: jagec
Here's my question.

When you guys are quoting someone else, do you EVER THINK to edit it a little bit so that people don't have to scroll through half a page of repeated posts, to see what you're trying to say?

Honestly, this issue affects me personally much more than human rights.:p

No, i never do, i think that if peopl read the morons quotes as many times as possible they will understand how ridiculous they are.

Actually, i am on dialup so i should have cut them down.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: jagec
Here's my question.

When you guys are quoting someone else, do you EVER THINK to edit it a little bit so that people don't have to scroll through half a page of repeated posts, to see what you're trying to say?

Honestly, this issue affects me personally much more than human rights.:p

No, i never do, i think that if peopl read the morons quotes as many times as possible they will understand how ridiculous they are.

Actually, i am on dialup so i should have cut them down.

You're pretty good with the insults. Moron, Can O Sh!t, etc. You're gifted. Take advantage of that!
 

Klixxer

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Apr 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Klixxer said:

The example of Germany, Nazism, divided by CCCP and US, has actually become a whole nation, i know this bugs you and i know that Germany not agreeing with everything any American says anymore and bows down in shame bothers you, but please.

Nowdays, some americans are so blind, so just when they can't get the Europeans to jump when they say jump, they think they are the enemy, i am sorry, but i won't jump for you or anyone else.

Considering that some of the countries that I'm most critical of, especially the Netherlands, are following US actions, pretty much dispells your statement.

I don't expect much from someone from a country that had ethnic-based citizenship rules until recently. I think the belief that you are superior and others are beneath you is just too deep in your mind. Hopefully future generations will change. You're blind to the articles I post, the worries of human rights groups, the UN, etc.

You still don't get it, and you never will, because what you are looking for is one side only, refusing to see that there is another side that is a LOT bigger, we're not racists, Nazis or anything else you accuse us of.

The sad part of it all is that you are as reluctant to accept that your own country has faults, i am not, it makes me a patriot and you a nationalist.

Hitler would have loved you.

Yes, Hitler would have loved me since I am so white. I am the typical white, blonde hair, blue eyed superior person. Yes, Hitler would have so loved me talking about equality regardless of skin color, religion, culture, etc.

You don't get it. You criticize me and call me a bigot because I want people to be equal. You say that I can't see anything wrong with my country when I criticize it all the time. You're just blind and brainwashed.

Bottom line is, you just want to ignore the situation. You know it's wrong. But you won't admit that it's wrong. You just try to make up some excuses, or try to redirect the conversation on a tangent. You've even gone so far as to call me a bigot when I was talking about anti-apartheid activists and other human rights issues. Honestly, I don't even think you know what the word 'bigot' means because it's so ridiculous for you to use it in that sense.

Your previous reply shows just how different you are. You think it's ok to discriminate against certain groups of people if they're different. I'm guessing that just because it doesn't affect you, you just don't care about it. And that's a dangerous way to live.

No, YOU don't get it, you probably never will, racism isn't any worse than it has been, sure, there are obscure leaders like LePen who are too right wing nationalists, but their influence is as big as the influence a fart in canada has in the US, get it?

Bottom line is, you want to make something out of nothing.

I ask you, what have YOU done to end racism and neo-nazism in the US?

Ok, so i assume that you are willing to open the borders of the US and make everyone who wants to enter and automatic citizen?

Bottom line is this: i put my life on the line so that people who are now entering the EU could, i welcome them, traveling is free within, it saddens me that that closes the borders further, kinda like between the states and outsided the states of US.

The same people others have claimed we want to opress and keep out are now free to travel just as other EU citizens, it should be something to applaud.

AND you are obviously confusing me with someone else.

I think Le Pen received 18% of the votes. That's quite a lot. It is not nothing. They do have significant support.

Also, you have to remember the influence of these racist political parties in mainstream politics and society. How did 95% of Slovenia vote, just last week or so, to continue believing that these minorities have no rights, contradicting the court's recommendations? It's not like Slovenia is a third-world country.

How about the Netherlands, where far-right politics have entered mainstream. How about Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark etc? What about France, Germany, etc. where traditionally humans rights supporting parties are now joining forces with radicals to target Muslims? Italy wanting to punish the Chinese for being successful? etc etc etc it keeps going on. This isn't one person doing something. It's a disturbing trend happening in Europe.

You still don't get it, race crimes are still more prevalent in the US, we are dealing with a problem, yes, the problem exists, it exists everywhere, but it's not a big issue, and we aim to keep it that way.

95% of slovenia voted to not make illegal aliens automatic citizens, you do not have a clue about these people (they could become Slovenian if they learned the language, it is the same in many other countries) and Slovenia is brand new.

Now think back, a couple of years after the US was created, were there slaves, sub human slaves? i'd say that Slovenia has made a better start than the US did.

How about the netherlands, they will isolate themselves because we don't want that crap, get it? Netherlands isn't "most of europe" and one politician isn't a big thing.

Now the 18% agree with some of the politics of LePen, now that means that 82% do not, is that a majority?

I would advice you to think before you type.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: jagec
Here's my question.

When you guys are quoting someone else, do you EVER THINK to edit it a little bit so that people don't have to scroll through half a page of repeated posts, to see what you're trying to say?

Honestly, this issue affects me personally much more than human rights.:p

No, i never do, i think that if peopl read the morons quotes as many times as possible they will understand how ridiculous they are.

Actually, i am on dialup so i should have cut them down.

You're pretty good with the insults. Moron, Can O Sh!t, etc. You're gifted. Take advantage of that!

It isn't hard to be good with insults when debating with you. :)
 

CanOWorms

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I've said before, even in this very thread, that most Europeans aren't racist. But they do have significant problems, more so than North America. 18% of your country voting for a rabid racist is a problem. 95% voting against minorities is a problem. Traditionally human rights supporting political groups obtaining rabid right-wing racist views is a problem. Specifically targetting certain minority problems is a problem. Having political parties that gain power with racist slogans such as "The Swiss are Becoming Negroes" is a problem. Targetting minorities because they're successful is a problem.

Some of the people that were "erased" were soldiers that were in the Slovenia army, former Miss Slovenia, etc. They're not illegal immigrants. If you were of one ethnicity, they just automatically made you a citizen. All minorities had to apply. That's disgusting and sick.

Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I've said before, even in this very thread, that most Europeans aren't racist. But they do have significant problems, more so than North America. 18% of your country voting for a rabid racist is a problem. 95% voting against minorities is a problem. Traditionally human rights supporting political groups obtaining rabid right-wing racist views is a problem. Specifically targetting certain minority problems is a problem. Having political parties that gain power with racist slogans such as "The Swiss are Becoming Negroes" is a problem. Targetting minorities because they're successful is a problem.

Some of the people that were "erased" were soldiers that were in the Slovenia army, former Miss Slovenia, etc. They're not illegal immigrants. If you were of one ethnicity, they just automatically made you a citizen. All minorities had to apply. That's disgusting and sick.

Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

*sigh* it was people who are not from Slovenian territory, that is all, so, as i asked before, renew the US today, everyone will become a citizen, 95% or higher of all citizens would vote against it.

you don't get it because you refuse to get it.

18% of Germany votes for LePen? oooh, i didn't know us Germans could vote for him, he is French you morinic imbecil.

Man, you are a joke, you try so hard to make something into something it isn't. You don't know who comes from where but you still try to label people, christ, take your pill and calm down.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
Jul 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I've said before, even in this very thread, that most Europeans aren't racist. But they do have significant problems, more so than North America. 18% of your country voting for a rabid racist is a problem. 95% voting against minorities is a problem. Traditionally human rights supporting political groups obtaining rabid right-wing racist views is a problem. Specifically targetting certain minority problems is a problem. Having political parties that gain power with racist slogans such as "The Swiss are Becoming Negroes" is a problem. Targetting minorities because they're successful is a problem.

Some of the people that were "erased" were soldiers that were in the Slovenia army, former Miss Slovenia, etc. They're not illegal immigrants. If you were of one ethnicity, they just automatically made you a citizen. All minorities had to apply. That's disgusting and sick.

Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

*sigh* it was people who are not from Slovenian territory, that is all, so, as i asked before, renew the US today, everyone will become a citizen, 95% or higher of all citizens would vote against it.

you don't get it because you refuse to get it.

18% of Germany votes for LePen? oooh, i didn't know us Germans could vote for him, he is French you morinic imbecil.

Man, you are a joke, you try so hard to make something into something it isn't. You don't know who comes from where but you still try to label people, christ, take your pill and calm down.

No, people that weren't of a certain ethnicity were not automatically granted citizenship. I guess since you probably grew up in a society where ethnicity was a requirement in citizenship, you think that this is OK, when it's not.

If they had a vote in the US where only white people would be granted citizenship and all others had to apply, there would be an uproar. It's such a ridiculous situation.

About 18% for Le Pen: You're such a "morinic imbecil" that you can't even understand that I wasn't directing that at you. By the way, if you're trying to insult someone, try to get at least one of the words spelled correctly.

This is a typical tactic of blinded super-patriots. It is something serious. You don't think human rights is an issue. There's no point discussing it with you since you already stated that it's ok to have sub-humans as long as they're different than you. This from the same guy that called me a bigot for support human rights.

Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

You're just part of the problem. This is a serious problem. That's why so many human rights groups, the UN, etc. are troubled by these things. Given European history, it might not turn out nicely. It should be stopped before it grows any more.
 

Klixxer

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Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

Actually they pretty much did what you have done, distorted the truth into something it is not.

Maybe you didn't get it the first time, but i fought for the rights of those willing to enter the EU, as a NATO soldier i was in Libya, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan, granted, Afghanistan and Libya won't enter the EU, but maybe you can "liberate" them some more and make them part of the US?

To me you are nothing but a little punk trying to make a point you KNOW is wrong, and if you don't KNOW that, you are extremely dense.
 

CanOWorms

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

Actually they pretty much did what you have done, distorted the truth into something it is not.

Maybe you didn't get it the first time, but i fought for the rights of those willing to enter the EU, as a NATO soldier i was in Libya, Bosnia, Kosovo and Afghanistan, granted, Afghanistan and Libya won't enter the EU, but maybe you can "liberate" them some more and make them part of the US?

To me you are nothing but a little punk trying to make a point you KNOW is wrong, and if you don't KNOW that, you are extremely dense.

I don't care what you did. You do not have a free pass.

Bottom line is that you said that people who are different than the majority should not be recognized as humans.

To me, you're nothing but part of the problem.

You just keep digging yourself into a hole with these statements and proving your discriminatory nature. Supporting human rights issues is not a wrong thing. Obviously you disagree, but most people would disagree with your 17th century beliefs.
 

Ozoned

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Same old Mistakes

EU this EU that...
<---------says "Piss on them"



From Nicosia to Jerusalem
By EVELYN GORDON


The European Union professed shock at the outcome of last month's Cyprus referendum, in which 65 percent of Turkish Cypriots voted to reunify the island while 75 percent of Greek Cypriots voted against. But the results should have shocked nobody: Thanks to the EU's own actions, they were virtually a foregone conclusion.


What is shocking is the EU's failure to learn from experience. It used the same flawed tactics in Cyprus that it has in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict ? and achieved exactly the same result.
The EU recipe is simple. First, label one side the "villain" and the other side the "victim," ignoring the complexities of the issue. Next, apply pressure only to the "villain," making it clear that the "victim" will suffer no consequences for intransigence.

And finally, watch in shock as the "victim" rejects an agreement that meets the lion's share of its demands. Evidently, the EU has still not grasped the obvious: If holding out for 100 percent entails no consequences, there is no incentive to settle for less.

In Cyprus, this recipe worked as follows: First, the EU decided that since the Turkish Cypriots solicited the Turkish invasion that divided the island in 1974, they were the villains, while the Greek Cypriots were the victims. It expressed this decision by slapping a trade embargo on Turkish Cyprus that turned it into an economic backwater.
The truth, however, is hardly that simple. In fact, it was the Greek Cypriots who began the 1974 war: They staged a coup, with backing from Greece, aimed at establishing an all-Greek government that would merge Cyprus with Greece. And given the history of ethnic strife ? in which the Turkish minority often suffered at the hands of the Greek majority ? it was hardly surprising that the Turks then turned to Turkey for help.

Certainly, Greek Cypriots suffered in the subsequent invasion: Tens of thousands were driven from their homes. But so were Turkish residents of the Greek sector. Neither side was innocent.
Next, the United Nations, with EU backing, mediated a draft agreement that met most Greek Cypriot demands. Under this agreement, the Turks would cede about 22 percent of their territory to the Greeks, uprooting every Turkish resident from this area. Additionally, about two-thirds of Greek Cypriot refugees ? some 120,000 people ? would be allowed to return to their former homes; the others would receive compensation.

Turkey's troops would gradually withdraw. And, though each side would largely govern its own affairs, their states would be linked by a loose federal government in which the Greeks would have a two-thirds majority on the presidential council.
Only one major demand was rejected: The number of Greeks allowed to move to Turkish Cyprus was capped, so as not to threaten the Turks' demographic superiority in their own state.

Finally, the EU made it clear that Greek Cypriots would pay no penalty for refusing: Greek Cyprus, it declared, would enter the EU on May 1 regardless of how it voted in the referendum. In contrast, Turkish Cypriots would not be admitted unless both they and the Greeks approved unification.

The upshot was that the Greeks had no incentive not to hold out for an even better deal. Indeed, Greek Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos said so explicitly: Vote "no," he urged his countrymen, as we will certainly have a chance to negotiate a better deal later.

Turkish Cypriot leader Rauf Denktash also understood this. "They won't need a settlement as long as the world treats them as the government of the whole island," he said. Only the EU failed to understand.

THE PARALLELS to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are obvious. Here, too, the EU began by labeling the Palestinians innocent victims and Israel the aggressor. The historical context ? such as the fact that both the Palestinian refugees and Israel's conquest of the West Bank and Gaza resulted from wars launched by the Arabs with the explicit goal of destroying Israel; or that the Arabs rejected the 1947 UN partition plan, which would have created a Palestinian state, while Israel accepted it; or that the Palestinians have carried out unremitting terrorism against Israel for the last 50 years ? was deemed irrelevant.
Next, the EU made it clear that no matter what the Palestinians did, the EU would continue to support all their demands and hold Israel to blame for any impasse.

And the Palestinians, like the Greek Cypriots, reacted accordingly. At the Camp David summit in July 2000, Israel offered the Palestinians all of Gaza plus 88 percent of the West Bank, including parts of east Jerusalem.

The Palestinians not only refused; they did not even bother making a counteroffer. Then, three months later, they launched a shooting war against Israel.

But the EU's only response was to condemn Israel for shooting back and demand that it offer additional concessions.
In December 2000, Israel did so: It agreed to give up Gaza, 97 percent of the West Bank, east Jerusalem and even the Temple Mount. The Palestinians again said no ? and ratcheted up the anti-Israel terrorism to boot.

But once again, the EU responded with increasingly harsh condemnations of Israel's counterterrorism efforts, while declining to say a word against the Palestinian Authority. It also demanded that Israel continue trying to appease the Palestinians with additional diplomatic concessions, and it increased its financial support for the PA.

Just 10 days ago, its ambassador to Israel announced that from now on, Europe's economic ties with Israel will depend on progress in the "peace process." No similar threat has been issued to the PA.

In an ideal world, the EU's shock at the outcome of the Cyprus referendum would lead it to rethink its one-sided approach to conflict resolution. Unfortunately, this is the real world ? and no such reassessment appears to be forthcoming.

The writer is a veteran journalist and commentator.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I've said before, even in this very thread, that most Europeans aren't racist. But they do have significant problems, more so than North America. 18% of your country voting for a rabid racist is a problem. 95% voting against minorities is a problem. Traditionally human rights supporting political groups obtaining rabid right-wing racist views is a problem. Specifically targetting certain minority problems is a problem. Having political parties that gain power with racist slogans such as "The Swiss are Becoming Negroes" is a problem. Targetting minorities because they're successful is a problem.

Some of the people that were "erased" were soldiers that were in the Slovenia army, former Miss Slovenia, etc. They're not illegal immigrants. If you were of one ethnicity, they just automatically made you a citizen. All minorities had to apply. That's disgusting and sick.

Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

*sigh* it was people who are not from Slovenian territory, that is all, so, as i asked before, renew the US today, everyone will become a citizen, 95% or higher of all citizens would vote against it.

you don't get it because you refuse to get it.

18% of Germany votes for LePen? oooh, i didn't know us Germans could vote for him, he is French you morinic imbecil.

Man, you are a joke, you try so hard to make something into something it isn't. You don't know who comes from where but you still try to label people, christ, take your pill and calm down.

No, people that weren't of a certain ethnicity were not automatically granted citizenship. I guess since you probably grew up in a society where ethnicity was a requirement in citizenship, you think that this is OK, when it's not.

If they had a vote in the US where only white people would be granted citizenship and all others had to apply, there would be an uproar. It's such a ridiculous situation.

About 18% for Le Pen: You're such a "morinic imbecil" that you can't even understand that I wasn't directing that at you. By the way, if you're trying to insult someone, try to get at least one of the words spelled correctly.

This is a typical tactic of blinded super-patriots. It is something serious. You don't think human rights is an issue. There's no point discussing it with you since you already stated that it's ok to have sub-humans as long as they're different than you. This from the same guy that called me a bigot for support human rights.

Again, I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

You're just part of the problem. This is a serious problem. That's why so many human rights groups, the UN, etc. are troubled by these things. Given European history, it might not turn out nicely. It should be stopped before it grows any more.

"18% of your country" does not mean my country? christ, STOP IT!

I am a super patriot? Bah, i would rather return to Finland, what do you have more than your bs claims?

I think human rights is THE issue, something that should be beyond a soldier to ever stamp on, but still US soldiers do it, and why? Because of bad leadership, racism, because the US was built on racism, it was the red fvckers who were savages, then the black fvckers who were slaves, now it is the brown fvckers, good for cannon fodder and invasions without specific purposes or just lies are ok....

And you are calling *US* racists, man, as i told you before, put down that pipe, it is rotting your last brain cell.

We say to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists (it has been a LONG time since we had any slaves, i hear there are 24% of the US that wants slaves back though, maybe you should fight that) that we are all equal, we are born equal, an no matter who YOU are, you have a right to get treatment, forget your payment for your cancer treatment, you will get it, even if you cannot pay for it yourself, how about that?

Even the poor are equal to the rich in terms of medical treatment here, how about that?

And you speak of equality, don't make me laugh, if the US is anything it is unequal.
 

CanOWorms

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"18% of your country" does not mean my country? christ, STOP IT!

Yes. Obviously you have a poor grasp of the English language. This is pretty obvious from the fact that you couldn't even spell 1 of 2 words of your special insult correctly.

I am a super patriot? Bah, i would rather return to Finland, what do you have more than your bs claims?

Yes, you are a super-patriot. You and FreeGeeks should start a club.

I think human rights is THE issue, something that should be beyond a soldier to ever stamp on, but still US soldiers do it, and why? Because of bad leadership, racism, because the US was built on racism, it was the red fvckers who were savages, then the black fvckers who were slaves, now it is the brown fvckers, good for cannon fodder and invasions without specific purposes or just lies are ok....

And you are calling *US* racists, man, as i told you before, put down that pipe, it is rotting your last brain cell.

I'm not calling all Europeans racists. However, racism is a big problem in Europe compared to US or Canada. I've experienced it first-hand in Europe as well.

Any European that wants to talk about history automatically loses. Considering that Europeans completely slaughtered Native Americans, brought slavery in the first place when they were European colonies, etc. Then let's not forget all the other things like crusades, holocaust, world wars, their adventures all over the globe, slaughter of entire peoples and civilizations for materialistic gain. No one has ever and most likely never will come close to what Europeans did.

We say to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists (it has been a LONG time since we had any slaves, i hear there are 24% of the US that wants slaves back though, maybe you should fight that) that we are all equal, we are born equal, an no matter who YOU are, you have a right to get treatment, forget your payment for your cancer treatment, you will get it, even if you cannot pay for it yourself, how about that?

Even the poor are equal to the rich in terms of medical treatment here, how about that?

And you speak of equality, don't make me laugh, if the US is anything it is unequal.

There's no point arguing with you. Look at your own statement. You were probably brought up in a family of hate, so hate is all you know. You'd tell anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, etc. that everyone is equal when in South Africa people weren't equal? Or do you actually believe they were somehow equal? This is just getting ridiculous.

Your openly discrimanatory comments are disturbing. However, it is hilarious to watch an open racist try to justify his beliefs yet also try to say that he loves everyone.

People are not equal when citizenship is based on ethnicity. People aren't equal when a minority group is specifically being targetted. Anti-immigrant &amp; racist views are fostered by growing &amp; rabid racist political parties.
 

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Originally posted by: Klixxer


I think human rights is THE issue, something that should be beyond a soldier to ever stamp on, but still US soldiers do it, and why? Because of bad leadership, racism, because the US was built on racism, it was the red fvckers who were savages, then the black fvckers who were slaves, now it is the brown fvckers, good for cannon fodder and invasions without specific purposes or just lies are ok....

Ayup, Its going to be mentally challenged German fvckers next..

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I've heard that 100% (even the little babies) of the German population wants to start up what they didn't finish in the Holocaust. That is sick. We better stop these messed up people before they start anything else up AGAIN. Perhaps the entire world should get together and quarantine all of Europe. We (the world not including Europe) do not want Europe trying to destroy us all again. Hate and destruction is all that many Europeans know, especially the Germans.
 

Klixxer

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Ok, first, for canoshit, 18% for LePen you moron that is a french contender for THEIR precidency, now show me with a link which germas voted for him or 18% in anything, i know you will settle for anything so...

For Ozoned, yeah, bring it on, if it is the wimps in this thread, such as yourself canoshit i can defend my country all by myself.

For Mongoose, thank you, well needed sarcasm.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Ok, first, for canoshit, 18% for LePen you moron that is a french contender for THEIR precidency, now show me with a link which germas voted for him or 18% in anything, i know you will settle for anything so...

Um, Germans didn't vote for Le Pen. I said that if 18% of your country voted for a racist party, then that's a problem. That doesn't mean 18% of Germans voted for Le Pen. Just like I said if 95% of your country voted against the belief that minorities are people, then that's a problem. That doesn't mean 95% of Germans somehow voted in the Slovenia racist vote.

So, do you agree that since you openly declared your racist beliefs, that you're a racist? Or do you still think that you love and embrace and give flowers to all human beings?

For Ozoned, yeah, bring it on, if it is the wimps in this thread, such as yourself canoshit i can defend my country all by myself.

me is scared
 

freegeeks

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don't care what you did. You do not have a free pass.

Bottom line is that you said that people who are different than the majority should not be recognized as humans.

To me, you're nothing but part of the problem.

You just keep digging yourself into a hole with these statements and proving your discriminatory nature. Supporting human rights issues is not a wrong thing. Obviously you disagree, but most people would disagree with your 17th century beliefs.

ths standard CanOworms response

"I don't care what you did" and "I don't believe you"

it's also very funny when someone starts a thread about racism in the US he doesn't post in these threads

a serious case of denial
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
don't care what you did. You do not have a free pass.

Bottom line is that you said that people who are different than the majority should not be recognized as humans.

To me, you're nothing but part of the problem.

You just keep digging yourself into a hole with these statements and proving your discriminatory nature. Supporting human rights issues is not a wrong thing. Obviously you disagree, but most people would disagree with your 17th century beliefs.

ths standard CanOworms response

"I don't care what you did" and "I don't believe you"

it's also very funny when someone starts a thread about racism in the US he doesn't post in these threads

a serious case of denial

Why should anyone believe someone else on the Internet? I can say that I'm a flying donkey (which would make you happy). I know it would give you an easy way out.

I have posted in threads about racism in the US. There aren't any threads to post in about US government sanctioned racist actions against minority groups.

I like posting this: I sometimes wonder what people said to anti-apartheid activists, civil rights activists, slavery abolitionists, etc. I wonder if they followed your path.

It seems that you have a serious case of denying that serious human rights issues are occuring. You just ignore what's happening, the concern of human rights groups, the spread of racist political parties in Europe, the head of the UN blasting Europe over what's happening, etc. That is denial.