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EU cripples future graphics cards [Nordic Hardware Exclusive]

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Sure. All video cards in the EU will be sold on the black market. Or, one of them will decide to meet EU specs and sell twice as many cards as they used to. They'll have the market all to themselves. The other one will let that happen. /sarc

Keep in mind this is Western Europe, not Eastern Europe. 😉
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Obviously if one side goes for it both will go for it. But if neither do there is notihng the EU can do to force them.

And anyone who games will buy one anyways from out of the EU, and because of that fact that anyone who games will buy one anyways EU qualified or not why would AMD/Nvidia spend money on it? Its something that will add to their cost and have no extra sales so no more money coming in from it. Generally comanies dont like things that cost them money to implement but do not offer any more revenue coming in.

EDIT TO ADD, i didnt mean they would be sold on the black market, i mean to say they will be ordered from outside the EU and shipped to the end user inside the EU.
 
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Andle Riddum said:
I might be the only one here that's actually happy about this development.

Graphics cards were getting each year more power hungry and freaking huge. There are a few exceptions to this trend, but it's crazy when a card has +500w psu requirement...
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Huh? No they were'nt, not recently anyways. My 5870 was far more power hungry than my gtx 670, and it was released 3 years ago!
 
I have a feeling that retailers for computer parts in Switzerland, Norway etc will have a bright future 🙂

EDIT: Need to add that this is just preliminary and will most likely NOT be passed into law!
 
Just thought of something else to add to my above statement that AMD/Nvidia are not going to go for this.

So lets say nvidia and AMD go for this, for arguments sake. I think we can all agree that there will be additional cost involded to come up with specific designs to work around this new law, so obviously this cost will be passed along to the end user, amd and nvidia sure arnt going to eat it themselves it will be passed down the chain to you the end user.

So what you are going to end up with is a 6850 EU version that is crippled and performs worse than the 6850 Rest of world version, while costing more money to buy

So really whats going to happen is no one will purchase the EU version and everyone will order from out of country anyways.

And if thats going to be the end result then why bother in the first place, just keep making one version as always and people will keep buying them, as always.
 
If you look back in the 90's computers where not powerhungry at all. They got more and more powerhungry by the years... Graphicscards and CPU's needed bigger and bigger coolers.. Try to compare a GTX 480 cooler with a cooler from graphics cards in the 90's.. Many of them didn't even need a cooler. Like voodoo 1 or voodoo 2.. I think it topped out with the GTX 480 with it's insane powerdraw. I remember reading HardOCP had tested TRI-SLI using GTX 480's. They actually had to use a 1500W powersupply if I remember correctly. This was probably with a 1366 i7 which is also very powerhungry.

I would say things was going out of hand.. Sandybridge/Ivy-Bridge and Kepler is a move in the right direction..
 
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Nothing else to do than hope they will come to their senses and not put it into action...
Don't wanna turn this into a thread about politics, but one could think they have more important things to put their focus on


I can always buy from another country(unless they put an end to that as well😵) but it's bothersome when it comes to warranty and such
 
Rifter said:
Obviously if one side goes for it both will go for it. But if neither do there is notihng the EU can do to force them.

And anyone who games will buy one anyways from out of the EU, and because of that fact that anyone who games will buy one anyways EU qualified or not why would AMD/Nvidia spend money on it? Its something that will add to their cost and have no extra sales so no more money coming in from it. Generally comanies dont like things that cost them money to implement but do not offer any more revenue coming in.

EDIT TO ADD, i didnt mean they would be sold on the black market, i mean to say they will be ordered from outside the EU and shipped to the end user inside the EU.
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Someone will fill the huge vacuum left if nVidia and AMD stopped selling cards in the EU (It's not going to happen. It's a huge market.).
 
Why does EU always try to regulate what it does not understand?


I keep seeing these weird suggestions - that im sure are goodhearted, but due to completely fundemental lack of understanding the policy-area they always cock up.

Even if it's for lowpower states, i hope they don't pass this.
Makes no sense.
 
Someone will fill the huge vacuum left if nVidia and AMD stopped selling cards in the EU
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If only their was a European company who would be singularly designed to benefit to a shocking degree by this law..... oh that's right, there is.

http://www.imgtec.com/

It is clearly a "nationalistic" policy and one that can very easily be countered by the US- we produce identical legislation based on fillrate instead of bandwidth, quickly destroying the lobbying efforts of PowerVR's parent company.
 
MisterMac said:
I keep seeing these weird suggestions - that im sure are goodhearted, but due to completely fundemental lack of understanding the policy-area they always cock up.
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Well, what do you expect from a bunch of bureaucrats from Brussels...?

The people who made the suggestion properly don't even have a -basic- understanding of what GPUs are or what they do. They just look at the power consumption and go "hey those GPUs are wasting a -lot- of power, lets regulate that!". This is coming from the same people who effectively banned the incandescent light bulb in Europe on the grounds of "high power consumption", never minding that compact fluorescent bulbs work like s*** when its -really- cold outside and high-power LED bulbs cost a bloody fortune...

Oh, well I can always buy a GFX card from the US and have it shipped over...🙄
 
I think one of the posts on that site says it well:

Read the actual document people.

This is not policy.

This is not even draft policy.

THIS IS NOT EVEN RESEARCH INTO POLICY.

This is a PRELIMINARY REPORT that looks at potential solutions to rising energy costs and e-waste within the EU by helping people use less power. It merely outlines a variety of means through which this can be achieved in the EU. What is outlined in the shambolic article above is merely one part of this large, well sourced report.

Yet more BS made up by Europhobes.

Now it should be mentioned that whoever wrote this article fails horribly at basic reading comprehension/is trying to grab attention by spewing sensationalist BS because the draft is BEING MISINTERPRETED HORRIBLY. THERE IS NO MENTION OF ACTUALLY TRYING TO LIMIT THE TOTAL POWER CONSUMPTION OF GPUS OR PERFORMANCE, THEY'RE JUST CATEGORISING THEM INTO DIFFERENT PERFORMANCE GROUPS AND SETTING REASONABLE LIMITS FOR IDLE/SLEEP POWER DRAW FOR EACH CATEGORY.
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But hey, no clicks to a site or any emorage in forums due to that. So need to buff it up to sound worse.

Not to mention its from 2009, 15 days from a full 3 years.

To sum it up, what they want to try to do for PCs is to make the same for other applianes. Like F to A+++ in terms of energy efficiency.

And hillarious how people react on such misinformation from such a fail article.
 
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wait so there is ONE LAW that's going to govern THE ENTIRE continent of Europe ? why do I find this so hard to believe ?
 
The Alias said:
wait so there is ONE LAW that's going to govern THE ENTIRE continent of Europe ? why do I find this so hard to believe ?
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This aint a law. Also the content of the article is so terrible wrong. But yes, one law would be implemented in all EU countries.
 
I have to admit I fell prey to nordichardware's interpretation as well, but RussianSensation's document was very enlightening, kudos for that.

Maybe the thread title should be changed as nordichardware got it utterly and completely wrong.
 
Does Europe have a power generation problem?


This report and the money wasted drafting it seems pretty ill-spent in that the PC market itself is in decline. The rise in GPU power draw won't counteract that fact.
 
Nintendesert said:
Does Europe have a power generation problem?


This report and the money wasted drafting it seems pretty ill-spent in that the PC market itself is in decline. The rise in GPU power draw won't counteract that fact.
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Computers uses about 2% of the worlds electricity.

If you want an efficient energy society you need to work on all areas.

PC market aint in a decline either. It grows.

The worldwide PC market is now expected to grow just 0.9% in 2012, as mid-year shipments slow.
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I knew that this, or something like this, was bound to happen.

My actual prediction was that California would limit PSU sizes, in order to "save power".

Just like they limited television sizes.
 
Huh what?

Title "EU cripples future graphics cards " has nothing to do with the working study to which it's referring to.

And even the working doc that RS has linked, mentions exempting 320GB/s card from regulations.
With the provision that exemption will cease to exist... one day in the future.

ie. 30 months after this enters into legislative.

Are you folks sure there is nothing more interesting to rage about?
Like whale-killing regulations. IN JAPAN?
 
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