EU Asks Microsoft to Remove Vista Security Features

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't know if this particular case is justified, but economic nationalism is running rampant in Europe. Microsoft is viewed as a dominant foreign company, and thus it hurts the European image of supremacy. Microsoft, Apple, Mittal, etc. are all recent cases of the surge of European economic nationalism following the rise of far-right extremism.

dude you really have serious issues

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't know if this particular case is justified, but economic nationalism is running rampant in Europe. Microsoft is viewed as a dominant foreign company, and thus it hurts the European image of supremacy. Microsoft, Apple, Mittal, etc. are all recent cases of the surge of European economic nationalism following the rise of far-right extremism.

dude you really have serious issues

where is the outcry when the EU fines European companies like Total and Shell

where is the whining when European and Japanese food companies are fined

or major European chemical companies

are you guys really so dense that everything is an anti-USA conspiracy?

I'm happy that the EU commission is not in the pocket of big business

the only nationalist garbage spewed here is by the rabbit flagwaving crowd

bunch of crybabies

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Aisengard
So when do all the Apple anti-competitive pack-ins get removed from OSX?

Oh...right...

The Apple situation is quite different.

Because they don't have a billions of dollars lying around like Microsoft for the EU to steal?

Because they aren't in a position to use their (relative) monopoly power to engage in anti-competitive practices.

Who else has been able to manufacture Apple compatable H/w?

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: dna
What's wrong with the SP2 firewall?
It does the work that most people need done. Stuff from Symantec is usually more bloat than useful functionality.

QFT, I don't use any Symantec products, Kaspersky does everything for me, even lets me know if someone is trying to hack me and gives me the IP, no bloat, and it doesn't interfere with any of my applications.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Aisengard
So when do all the Apple anti-competitive pack-ins get removed from OSX?

Oh...right...

The Apple situation is quite different.

Because they don't have a billions of dollars lying around like Microsoft for the EU to steal?

Because they aren't in a position to use their (relative) monopoly power to engage in anti-competitive practices.

Who else has been able to manufacture Apple compatable H/w?

you don't get, Apple does not have 97% of the OS and PC market

 

[Aisengard]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Aisengard
So when do all the Apple anti-competitive pack-ins get removed from OSX?

Oh...right...

The Apple situation is quite different.

Because they don't have a billions of dollars lying around like Microsoft for the EU to steal?

Because they aren't in a position to use their (relative) monopoly power to engage in anti-competitive practices.

Who else has been able to manufacture Apple compatable H/w?

you don't get, Apple does not have 97% of the OS and PC market

Despite their absolute best efforts.

I guess it just goes to show the failure of the Apple brand. Even with absolute control over every part of its product, it still can't succeed in the real world.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Aisengard

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Aisengard
So when do all the Apple anti-competitive pack-ins get removed from OSX?

Oh...right...

The Apple situation is quite different.

Because they don't have a billions of dollars lying around like Microsoft for the EU to steal?

Because they aren't in a position to use their (relative) monopoly power to engage in anti-competitive practices.

Who else has been able to manufacture Apple compatable H/w?

you don't get, Apple does not have 97% of the OS and PC market

Despite their absolute best efforts.

I guess it just goes to show the failure of the Apple brand. Even with absolute control over every part of its product, it still can't succeed in the real world.

Uh...not really. Apple is doing VERY well compared to where it was a handful of years ago, and they are actually making pretty significant steps forward...in large part BECAUSE they control the entire product end-to-end. SOME of the criticism leveled at MS is unfair, it's not always a software issue, and they can't possibly test every hardware config...Apple is able to neatly avoid that problem.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: herkulease

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Aisengard
So when do all the Apple anti-competitive pack-ins get removed from OSX?

Oh...right...

The Apple situation is quite different.

Because they don't have a billions of dollars lying around like Microsoft for the EU to steal?

Because they aren't in a position to use their (relative) monopoly power to engage in anti-competitive practices.

Who else has been able to manufacture Apple compatable H/w?

That's not the problem I was talking about. MS is able to use their almost total monopoly on the home PC market to influence what software gets used (or not used) in the vast majority of the market. Despite being pretty crummy as browser software goes, IE is STILL the dominant browser on the market because it's bundled with Windows. Of course Apple can do exactly the same thing with their software and hardware, but they don't have enough of the market to affect the market as a whole.

 

[Aisengard]

If Microsoft were to start suddenly developing proprietary Microsoft-controlled hardware that came packaged only with Microsoft-controlled products, you think people wouldn't complain that Microsoft was shutting out the competition?

The difference is that Microsoft is successful where Apple is not.

Please tell me a leading Mac software company that rivals Apple?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't know if this particular case is justified, but economic nationalism is running rampant in Europe. Microsoft is viewed as a dominant foreign company, and thus it hurts the European image of supremacy. Microsoft, Apple, Mittal, etc. are all recent cases of the surge of European economic nationalism following the rise of far-right extremism.

dude you really have serious issues

I guess major news organizations and journalists do, too.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't know if this particular case is justified, but economic nationalism is running rampant in Europe. Microsoft is viewed as a dominant foreign company, and thus it hurts the European image of supremacy. Microsoft, Apple, Mittal, etc. are all recent cases of the surge of European economic nationalism following the rise of far-right extremism.

dude you really have serious issues

I guess major news organizations and journalists do, too.

that's the only answer you got, pathetic troll

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't know if this particular case is justified, but economic nationalism is running rampant in Europe. Microsoft is viewed as a dominant foreign company, and thus it hurts the European image of supremacy. Microsoft, Apple, Mittal, etc. are all recent cases of the surge of European economic nationalism following the rise of far-right extremism.

dude you really have serious issues

where is the outcry when the EU fines European companies like Total and Shell

where is the whining when European and Japanese food companies are fined

or major European chemical companies

are you guys really so dense that everything is an anti-USA conspiracy?

I'm happy that the EU commission is not in the pocket of big business

the only nationalist garbage spewed here is by the rabbit flagwaving crowd

bunch of crybabies

This is not about the USA at all. It is about Europe. Mittal is a European company, but there was much resistance in Europe against them. Sure, there may be legitimate concerns, but when people make comments on how they "truly aren't European" because the CEO is not of European descent, it's obvious that far-right beliefs are influencing the recent economic nationalism which is rampant over Europe the last months.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I don't know if this particular case is justified, but economic nationalism is running rampant in Europe. Microsoft is viewed as a dominant foreign company, and thus it hurts the European image of supremacy. Microsoft, Apple, Mittal, etc. are all recent cases of the surge of European economic nationalism following the rise of far-right extremism.

dude you really have serious issues

where is the outcry when the EU fines European companies like Total and Shell

where is the whining when European and Japanese food companies are fined

or major European chemical companies

are you guys really so dense that everything is an anti-USA conspiracy?

I'm happy that the EU commission is not in the pocket of big business

the only nationalist garbage spewed here is by the rabbit flagwaving crowd

bunch of crybabies

This is not about the USA at all. It is about Europe. Mittal is a European company, but there was much resistance in Europe against them. Sure, there may be legitimate concerns, but when people make comments on how they "truly aren't European" because the CEO is not of European descent, it's obvious that far-right beliefs are influencing the recent economic nationalism which is rampant over Europe the last months.

what the hell has the merger of 2 big steel companies (Arcelor and Mittal) to do with the Microsoft case. It's your usual tactic, you just come into a thread with has "Europe" in the title and you start spewing your racist bullsh*t. They have a word for this, it's called trolling

like I said before, search some professional help to get rid of all that hatred young men

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

what the hell has the merger of 2 big steel companies (Arcelor and Mittal) to do with the Microsoft case. It's your usual tactic, you just come into a thread with has "Europe" in the title and you start spewing your racist bullsh*t. They have a word for this, it's called trolling

like I said before, search some professional help to get rid of all that hatred young men

Maybe you should reread my first post. It's about economic nationalism in Europe. It's not hard to figure out. If you can't, then maybe you need some professional help.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms

Originally posted by: freegeeks

what the hell has the merger of 2 big steel companies (Arcelor and Mittal) to do with the Microsoft case. It's your usual tactic, you just come into a thread with has "Europe" in the title and you start spewing your racist bullsh*t. They have a word for this, it's called trolling

like I said before, search some professional help to get rid of all that hatred young men

Maybe you should reread my first post. It's about economic nationalism in Europe. It's not hard to figure out. If you can't, then maybe you need some professional help.

so how do you explain the links I provided about European companies being fined by the EU commission for the very same reason Microsoft is under investigation. Is the EU commission "nationalist" again its "own" companies. 😕

you are trying to spin this as always, but the facts are what they are, the EU commission has sanctioned multiple companies already for illegal practices, most being EUROPEAN companies. So we are racist against our own companies? I hope you are not that stupid

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

so how do you explain the links I provided about European companies being fined by the EU commission for the very same reason Microsoft is under investigation. Is the EU commission "nationalist" again its "own" companies. 😕

you are trying to spin this as always, but the facts are what they are, the EU commission has sanctioned multiple companies already for illegal practices, most being EUROPEAN companies. So we are racist against our own companies? I hope you are not that stupid

I'm not claiming that they only fine companies they view as foreign. I'm claiming that they will severely penalize foreign companies if they are perceived as non-European. There is also pan-European nationalism and individual country economic nationalism going on at the same time.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I'm not claiming that they only fine companies they view as foreign. I'm claiming that they will severely penalize foreign companies if they are perceived as non-European. There is also pan-European nationalism and individual country economic nationalism going on at the same time.

What exactly does all this bullsh*t have to do with: this, this, this, and this?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I'm not claiming that they only fine companies they view as foreign. I'm claiming that they will severely penalize foreign companies if they are perceived as non-European. There is also pan-European nationalism and individual country economic nationalism going on at the same time.

What exactly does all this bullsh*t have to do with: this, this, this, and this?

nationalism

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh all I keep hearing is people pissing and moaning about the security features of Vista interfering with people using the OS.

So you have Microsoft getting blasted for lack of security, then they create an OS from the ground up with security in mind and they get blasted for making it too annoying.

We want our cake and eat it too.

It's not security, it is full control of your PC by Microsoft.

You and the rest of your kind may be happy with that but people that like freedom do not.

Dont buy their OS.

That day may not be too far away. When I buy an operating system, I want it to be MY operating system and it only does what I ask/allow it to. If Microsoft can't handle that then I guess I'll have to start over with Linux.

 

[Smilin]

These idiots.

Sure Vista includes a firewall. It also includes a network stack built from the ground up so that third-party security software can be safely and *easily* be added in. No more hacks will be required to introduce firewalls. Companies will no longer have to write an entire supplicant just to add a wireless security feature.

Stupid numbnuts.


They could have complained back in beta 1 but they waited until now so it will be difficult if not impossible for Microsoft to comply. Same tactic they used with the "documentation" complaint. It's just an excuse to get ahold of some American money through fines since their own companies can't actually innovate.