Had a question to ask you guys. I have a situation with a person on the fs/t forums. I purchased a stick of corsair pc3200c2 ram for $95 + $2 shipping material, and I thought alright sure why not. He claimed that he was able to get 217mhz 2-2-2-5 at 2.5v, so I thought pretty good deal, and eagerly did a cross ship because my heatware is only 24-0 I believe. Anyway I get the ram, but it will NOT do what he said, I couldn't even get it to do 210mhz 2-2-2-5 at 2.9v. I have a stick of kingston hyperX and in the exact same conditions, I ran it at 215mhz and the corsair crapped out, while my hyperX was fine. I thought okay this ram isn't very good, so I asked him for a refund. He is offering to give me back $87 as a refund, but only if I ship first. He is also recommending I just resell it. What do you guys think? Later on he said that "those speeds were not guaranteed" and that overclocking is YMMV, but he mentioned none of this is his sale post. Am in the wrong? I feel like I should get a full refund because I do have to pay for return shipping.
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it's usually pretty given that the overclocking ability is YMMV
he has a totally different setup than what you have.
but I dunno
I'm not much of an overclocker.
he has a totally different setup than what you have.
but I dunno
I'm not much of an overclocker.
Nocturnal
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1. If he didn't mention that it was YMMV than you should get a full refund back.
2. If you want a refund you should be able to get a full refund, not a partial. He is the one who is at fault here. He advertised his product could do such and such speed. You received it, it is obviously defective in terms of not being able to reach the speed he advertised. Therefore you should get a full refund.
3. If all else fails I would talk to a trollhunter about it (if you don't get your money back). You should not have to re-sell something to get your money back.
2. If you want a refund you should be able to get a full refund, not a partial. He is the one who is at fault here. He advertised his product could do such and such speed. You received it, it is obviously defective in terms of not being able to reach the speed he advertised. Therefore you should get a full refund.
3. If all else fails I would talk to a trollhunter about it (if you don't get your money back). You should not have to re-sell something to get your money back.
I usually sell stuff at stock speeds. I have people ask me what it will overclock to and I usually just say "its a good overclocker but YMMV" Too many variables on other machines.
Ok well I've been watching this thread, and letting people give their honest opinion before I jumped in.
I sold this ram to m1ke101 in my FS/FT thread I have here... In the description I said "512mb Corsair XMS PC3202rev2.2 w/ black heatspreader" I also said that "I was able to acheive 217mhz using 2-2-2-5" <- the reason why I said this was first because it is true, but also because I had 10 people ask me, " how high were you able to get?" Having seen many respectable people post their results I saw no reason why I couldn't. I made no guaruntee of these speeds.
The reason why I advised him to sell it off was because I said "that ram is well worth more than you paid for it." I said this because right now that ram is going for $128, which is the cheapest price on pricewatch, he paid $97 (I had 10 people bitting at this price) so he could easily get more than what I would give him.
I'm sorry you feel cheated, but I feel that I didn't mislead you in any way, overclocking results always vary and I'm sorry you didn't understand that.
I sold this ram to m1ke101 in my FS/FT thread I have here... In the description I said "512mb Corsair XMS PC3202rev2.2 w/ black heatspreader" I also said that "I was able to acheive 217mhz using 2-2-2-5" <- the reason why I said this was first because it is true, but also because I had 10 people ask me, " how high were you able to get?" Having seen many respectable people post their results I saw no reason why I couldn't. I made no guaruntee of these speeds.
The reason why I advised him to sell it off was because I said "that ram is well worth more than you paid for it." I said this because right now that ram is going for $128, which is the cheapest price on pricewatch, he paid $97 (I had 10 people bitting at this price) so he could easily get more than what I would give him.
I'm sorry you feel cheated, but I feel that I didn't mislead you in any way, overclocking results always vary and I'm sorry you didn't understand that.
Also I found a little descrepency,
he says in this post that he couldn't even do 210 @ 2-2-2-5 2.9v but in a pm that I've retained he says to me
.... according to this you were able to do those speeds and for 3 hours...
he says in this post that he couldn't even do 210 @ 2-2-2-5 2.9v but in a pm that I've retained he says to me
.... according to this you were able to do those speeds and for 3 hours...
You can't blame others when you can't overclock like you wished unless he made a guarantee which he did not do.
I upped th voltage, to 2.9, it actually did less prime95, so it wasn't able to do it. I did say I would test it some more.
did i miss something??
i thought that the buyer could ask for an refund within a reasonable amount of time. since when did we start discounting on the refund??
for those of you posting about YMMV, that is really not relevant. i understand that IF the buyer wants a refund than the seller should give it to him.
that's the way i understood trading here. correct me if i'm wrong.
i thought that the buyer could ask for an refund within a reasonable amount of time. since when did we start discounting on the refund??
for those of you posting about YMMV, that is really not relevant. i understand that IF the buyer wants a refund than the seller should give it to him.
that's the way i understood trading here. correct me if i'm wrong.
When people sell on the FS/FT forum, it's not a retail store.
The ram works, it just doens't work at the speed he wants it to.
Plus there are shipping charges involved as well.
If the Ram didn't run at all that's a different story.
I would give a refund if there is something wrong with the product. Motherboard would not post, hard drive had bad sectors, etc etc. No problem..money is on its way. I would not give a refund if "Well it would not overclock as much as I would like" or " I changed my mind and do not want it anymore" Bite me, resell it yourself.
Unless you're guaranteed certain speeds, you can only count on the stock specs, plain and simple.
You didn't get the speeds you want and so were offered a fairly reasonable refund. I'd suggest cost minus shipping rather than the $87 personally, but given that there was no guarantee, the seller is being generous.
You could resell the stuff saying that "the original seller claimed speeds of x, x, and x, but I don't have a rig that will reproduce them" and likely make the money back (if not a few dollars more).
You didn't get the speeds you want and so were offered a fairly reasonable refund. I'd suggest cost minus shipping rather than the $87 personally, but given that there was no guarantee, the seller is being generous.
You could resell the stuff saying that "the original seller claimed speeds of x, x, and x, but I don't have a rig that will reproduce them" and likely make the money back (if not a few dollars more).
I'm taking everything is saying, and I guess the reason I posted in the first place was that I felt that the ram I purchased was supposed to run at the speeds that r1g said he got them too. I understand that its usually YMMV with stuff, but the only reason I bought the ram was the fact that it supposedly had lots of potential because it could do 217 at 2.5v. Well I'm not even coming close to those results, and I mean there is a difference between amd and intel rigs, but I would think it would be able to do 217 with more voltage. I guess I could test out the ram on my friend intel setup and see what it gets, maybe he'll have better luck with it.
I understand why you made that assumption, but I made no guaruntee of those speeds, inaddition to this you were fully aware of the ram you were buying. The ram is rated for pc3202 @2-3-3-7 on the label and that's what you got. I'm not sure how high you got it, but this ram does have potential, be it 217mhz 2-2-2-5 (which I had it), or even 200 @ 2-2-2-5 (which I'm sure you tried), it surpassed what it was rated for. ON the issue of you not being able to get to my speeds I'm sorry to hear that, but I spent over $700 overhauling my rig to get that performance (2.4c with is7 watercooled).
I hope we have come to some resolution here, but if you have anymore problems please let me know here or through a pm.
As for now I would consider this matter closed unless you say otherwise.
Sincerely,
Rig
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