Ummm.... not when the professor photocopies from books that aren't required to be bought by the students taking the course. Your attempt to point out a fallacy has been shut down. Thanks.
Ummm.... not when the professor photocopies from books that aren't required to be bought by the students taking the course. Your attempt to point out a fallacy has been shut down. Thanks.
Originally posted by: franguinho
that is so true...
it is a training video that apparently will be used on numerous occasions but will never be copied and is stored somewhere for future reference after they are done with it...
so its only 1 copy... and used strictly for educational/training purposes...
nice!! here's something i can tell my friend for peace of mind!
i wouldnt sweat it then. seems almost impossible to get caught unless someone alertedthe authorties about it.
wouldnt your friends company have copies of the dvds done by the previous company they hired before asking your friend to do it? that would seem to go a long way in preventing his bosses from trying to pin it on him.
I would have done it assuming 2 things:
1. I could back up the claim that this had occured long before I arrived.
2. I had some sort of email from my boss outlining the duties and possibly my legal worries.
If I had both those things, I don't see any way it could ever come back to haunt me.
1. I could back up the claim that this had occured long before I arrived.
2. I had some sort of email from my boss outlining the duties and possibly my legal worries.
If I had both those things, I don't see any way it could ever come back to haunt me.
and if you woulda been fired, he coulda said wrongful termination.
Copying DVD material is illegal under DCMA, which says circumventing a copyright protection medium does not constitute fair use.
When you sample, you still have to pay a license fee, although you don't necessarily need explicit permission.
Last summer I set up a bunch of old computers for donations, and MS gave us the green light to install and give out our old copies of Win95. Our PHB wanted any other OS on them, even offering to bring his own 98 CD. My supervisor shot that idea down.
shortylickens
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Does the US Navy count?
Everything we did was sanctioned by the government. Regardless of what the so-called "Law" said.
Everything we did was sanctioned by the government. Regardless of what the so-called "Law" said.
Getting it in writing might incriminate you further....just having someone right an order for you to do some illegal act does not absolve you of the responsibilities....and implies you KNEW the act was illegal. It in no way [protects you, esp if you knew, or should have known, act was illegal. I wouldnt reccomend this... But if they fired you for refusal....
And definitleyjust about any company would scapegoat a subordinate to save their pwnd @$$&$
And definitleyjust about any company would scapegoat a subordinate to save their pwnd @$$&$
He should go back to his superiors and say "Try as I might, the encryption on the material you need me to rip is unbreakable. The company you hired before must have had access to better applications. weasel out FTW!
shortylickens
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Which is something I still dont get.
If I have a program that looks at every single bit on a DVD, then copies it down to my hard drive exactly as it was on that DVD, THEN I copy it to a blank DVD in the exact same order (every single bit) exactly how have I circumvented any copyright protection?
true but my friend is the sysadmin at the company and just happens to edit home videos in his spare time!
so really i think this would just be a bonus cause his original job is still valuable to the company...Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: franguinho
that is so true...
it is a training video that apparently will be used on numerous occasions but will never be copied and is stored somewhere for future reference after they are done with it...
so its only 1 copy... and used strictly for educational/training purposes...
nice!! here's something i can tell my friend for peace of mind!
i wouldnt sweat it then. seems almost impossible to get caught unless someone alertedthe authorties about it.
wouldnt your friends company have copies of the dvds done by the previous company they hired before asking your friend to do it? that would seem to go a long way in preventing his bosses from trying to pin it on him.
apparently there is such material and although he doesnt have access to it he was shown 2 other training DVDs so he could see what was expected...
I've already done something that could get a large company in trouble. Changed the date on a mainframe just so we could use the OS and other software for a few more months beyond the licensing dates.
But your stuff sounds like a quite a few people would know about it, so I'd be move hesitant to do something like that.
But your stuff sounds like a quite a few people would know about it, so I'd be move hesitant to do something like that.
This is an interesting problem that attorneys have to deal with sometimes. The bar requires very specific ethical standards for attorneys and sometimes a young attorney gets bullied at a big firm by an upper level partner or something to do something clearly outside the ethical requirements of the ABA.
I know a guy who had to give up a $130k/year associateship and position at a great law firm in Philadelphia after he exposed the senior partner's transgressions to the Ethical Committee. He totally had to resign after he ratted out one of the top guys and got him severely sanctioned.
And then.. he had trouble getting work at another firm because he had lost his prestigious position with another firm and was pretty much prevented from talking about it.
It's a rough decision to make, but I can tell you - he feels much better about himself having made the right choice.
I know a guy who had to give up a $130k/year associateship and position at a great law firm in Philadelphia after he exposed the senior partner's transgressions to the Ethical Committee. He totally had to resign after he ratted out one of the top guys and got him severely sanctioned.
And then.. he had trouble getting work at another firm because he had lost his prestigious position with another firm and was pretty much prevented from talking about it.
It's a rough decision to make, but I can tell you - he feels much better about himself having made the right choice.
I knew you would bring up that point. Consider it stricken from my original argument. I still win. There is an "educational" clause in most/all books intended for adademic discussion.
My view? Companies are meaningless and have no rights. Only what is right matters. Companies will ALWAYS screw workers before losing $.30 of executive profit, so never trust anything anyone ever tells you. Based on all that not only would I not participate, I would gather evidence and turn them in immediatley.
But that's just me.
But that's just me.
speg
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There's no problem doing that, so he took some clips for a training video. I've used clips in presentations at school before... Non - issue.
There's no way he would face legal problems from this. And i would... because it would let me keep my job... but also i could potentially use it as blackmail further down the road.
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