"They" have also used physical assault/abuse, strangulation techniques, application of electric current to genitals and other bodyparts and so on.Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowskiSo they used waterboarding, sleep depreviation and air conditioning. OMG the HORROR.
This has happened also in the war on terror. In '06, a group of US servicemen were arrested for murdering an Iraqui girl's mother, father and little sister in front of her, and then repeatedly raping her before murdering her as well.Before this whole whoopdedo I remember people being outraged over tourture techniques employed by third world countries that included cutting off hands, feet, and other body parts. Murdering family members in front of other family members, rape, mutilation, ect.
However, this is only incidental, and not the reason for creating the topic.
So if you don't get down and boogie with torture, you're a "pussy"?And that was just a form of punishment for minor crimes. Now we have people openly fighting the US and we can't make them pull all nighters? No wonder America is going down the drain, there are more pussies here than at Lilith Fair.
I take it you have no moral qualms about using torture. Have you actually considered WHY torture has at least historically been considered a deplorable practice in western democracies? I mean, pre-seven-eleven. Post, things get a bit blurry, particulary in certain right-wing circles.
Now here's a hint for you: the reason is that if you hold yourself to a higher moral standard than your adversaries - or at least claim to - then you CAN'T act like they do and still be able to say with any degree of credibility that you are any better than them.
Innocent until proven guilty by a court of law and all that, you know?
Well, maybe you reason they don't deserve such treatment. Maybe you reason, if they got themselves captured in the first place, it was probably for a reason, and reason being they are "evil-doers" and thus don't deserve decent humane treatment or the benefit of a doubt.
Ok, so we arrest you then. Why? Well you tell us! If you're arrested, it stands to reason you're guilty of something, right? Why else would you be arrested, you don't go arresting innocent people! Now you will tell us exactly what it is you're guilty of... We're gonna waterboard you 'til you puke, and keep you naked on your feet in a chilly room 'til you can't stand anymore. Then we beat you up and make you stand some more. This isn't torture, see? Nothing wrong with this, we're defending the nation. You're not a pussy, are you?
After long enough of this, I'm sure you'll be quite willing to admit to just about anything.
In case my point is slipping you by here, it basically is that many, many countries on this planet have treated their people this way, lots still do. The police or military, or paramilitary forces etc (depending on the country in question) could arrest you at any moment and for no reason, torture the hell out of you, and likely disappear you. Often for no discernible reason.
Torture - on top of being a despiccable practice - simply isn't a reliable means of extracting accurate information. The person being tortured is liable to make up information he thinks his captors want to hear, just to make the torture stop. This is well-known in intelligence-gathering circles.
Western nations typically pride themselves on having rule of law. It's disturbing (major understatement!) to see how eager many americans are to just simply throw our laws and ethics right out the window. You'd think history would have taught us all that nothing good can come from going down that path.