Estate Taxes (Steinbrenner)

Page 11 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Binarycow

Golden Member
Jan 10, 2010
1,238
2
76
So what?

That's what makes this the land of opportunity.

Why complain about 2% holding much of the wealth if that 2% changes? Now if was an entrenched and impenetrable aristocracy I could see the problem.

So what if someone works hard and/or gets lucky, why begrudge them?

Someone else is always smarter, stronger, faster, better looking or, yes, even richer. As long as people can rotate in and out of that richer category based on hard work, talent, good ideas or even just plain luck I see no real reason to complain.

Fern

See, to some of the people here, if you're rich then you're their enemies automatically. They would hide behind the government and tax laws and spew their BS about how life isn't fair when rich people get to pass their wealth to their offsprings. To me, all the time and effort they spend brooding about the success of others could be better spent to better themselves and their offsprings but that would be too much work, I guess.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
70,850
6,387
126
See, to some of the people here, if you're rich then you're their enemies automatically. They would hide behind the government and tax laws and spew their BS about how life isn't fair when rich people get to pass their wealth to their offsprings. To me, all the time and effort they spend brooding about the success of others could be better spent to better themselves and their offsprings but that would be too much work, I guess.

More Fail.
 

HendrixFan

Diamond Member
Oct 18, 2001
4,646
0
71
See, to some of the people here, if you're rich then you're their enemies automatically. They would hide behind the government and tax laws and spew their BS about how life isn't fair when rich people get to pass their wealth to their offsprings. To me, all the time and effort they spend brooding about the success of others could be better spent to better themselves and their offsprings but that would be too much work, I guess.

Sounds like the exact opposite of what our founding fathers believed. Odd that you would think that the government and tax laws disproportionately favor the poor over the rich.

Thomas Jefferson said:
There is also an artificial aristocracy founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class. The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature for the instruction, the trusts, and government of society. And indeed it would have been inconsistent in creation to have formed man for the social state, and not to have provided virtue and wisdom enough to manage the concerns of the society. May we not even say that that form of government is the best which provides the most effectually for a pure selection of these natural aristoi into the offices of government? The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent it's ascendancy.

...

Nor do I believe them necessary to protect the wealthy; because enough of these will find their way into every branch of the legislation to protect themselves.
 

CallMeJoe

Diamond Member
Jul 30, 2004
6,938
5
81
OMFG, Thomas Jefferson was a Socialist! No wonder Texas wants to cut him out of the history texts...
 

3chordcharlie

Diamond Member
Mar 30, 2004
9,859
1
81
I am all for an estate tax if everyone has to pay it.

What's the history of the estate tax?

I mean, it's fair that investments be 'deemed sold' upon death, which could trigger some pretty major taxes, but not 55%.

Is it just a matter of 'low-hanging fruit'?
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
38,548
350
126
So what?

That's what makes this the land of opportunity.

Why complain about 2% holding much of the wealth if that 2% changes? Now if was an entrenched and impenetrable aristocracy I could see the problem.

So what if someone works hard and/or gets lucky, why begrudge them?

Someone else is always smarter, stronger, faster, better looking or, yes, even richer. As long as people can rotate in and out of that richer category based on hard work, talent, good ideas or even just plain luck I see no real reason to complain.

Fern

Just because there is some rotation among the top doesn't mean there's not a problem.

Try this on for size. Pretend that the top 2% WERE locked in stone, which you say is a problem, but the position of '#1' rotates among that top 2%. So what?

You ignored the second part of my post that made the same basic point.

There will always be a top 2%. The issue is, is their share of wealth and power reasonable, or dominant and harmful to the rest of society, reducing opportunity?

People in Latin American countries didn't hate the oligarchy for being at the top; they hated them for owning 95% of all land while the people starved unable to use that land to farm, for nothing more than the ruling families' protection of their own wealth and the top families' installation of regimes that would use the military and police forces to brutally prevent any political movement to get the masses doing better than the starving wages that kept the top families profits as high as possible.

Obviously, there's a road between where the US was a generation ago and those Latin American countries, but we've gone a good way down that road, with the rich skyrocketing in wealth while everyone else was flat - and critically, this power shift helps ensure that the situation will continue to get worse. The more the ultra rich get, the harder it is to stop the shift toward oligarchy. We already accept that our president has to raise large sums from the rich to get office.

The rich do best when their money gives them all the power. Democracy is to explicitly undermine the rich by giving everyone one equal vote regardless of wealth.

That's a class war in perpetuity, like it or not, as the interests of these classes are always in some conflict. The rich benefit (in the short term at least) from oligarchy, the people don't, period. Of course, either extreme can be counter-productive; execute the rich and divide up their possessions, and you kill the golden goose; enslave everyone, and you reduce productivity to far that the rich have a bigger slice of a smaller pie and a net loss.

Having an excessive concentration of wealth in the top 2% is a big problem whether or not there is some rotation.

Tell you what, the top 2% from now on will select our presidents and Congress from their own people, but they have to rotate every 4 years. That's ok, right?

What if in Iraq, every 4 years there were a national lottery where anyone could rotate in as the next brutal dictator? Would that be ok because it rotated?

If there is an excess concentration of wealth in the top 2%, that's a problem whether or not that top 2% rotates - mostly among, say, the top 5%.
 

CallMeJoe

Diamond Member
Jul 30, 2004
6,938
5
81
If the Death Tax is indeed so onerous, can you Republicans explain why you think so many dead people vote Democratic?
 
Dec 10, 2005
29,570
15,110
136
family farms?

Old, but still relevant: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=476

* CBO found that if the current exemption level of $1.5 million had been in place in 2000, only 300 farm estates [2] nationwide would have owed any estate tax. At a $2 million exemption level, the level that takes effect in 2006, only 123 farm estates would have owed any estate tax in 2000. The number of taxable farm estates drops to 65 nationwide at a $3.5 million exemption level, the level that takes effect in 2009.
 

OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
36,410
616
126
I absolutely believe some kind of estate tax should be maintained. You definitely need to discourage the formation of dynastic wealth in this country and that is what the tax was designed to do.

please explain how a child of rich person inheriting their parents wealth affects you.