ESPN's Forde take on Gundy

Haui

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This is from the following article about 1/4 down the page:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn...t=forde_pat&id=3035258


Coaches Losing It
Congratulations to Oklahoma State's Mike Gundy (16), who showed he can be Bob Knight without the titles after his tantrum in response to a column by the Oklahoman's Jenni Carlson. In the Saturday paper, she questioned the toughness of quarterback Bobby Reid, who'd been benched by Gundy the previous week. Gundy responded by losing his mind after one of the few big victories in his 28-game career as a head coach, a shootout upset of Texas Tech.

On Monday, a completely unapologetic Gundy said it was "unfortunate" that his 3-minute, 20-second tirade took away from his team's victory. Of course, that was his fault, since he deemed trashing a reporter more important than acknowledging the Cowboys' performance.


Coaches have the right to take issue with journalists, and to do it in public. That's part of the job for a columnist to take what he/she dishes out. But this was such a shrill overreaction that the message was lost amid the screaming.


One of Gundy's big complaints was negative treatment of a "kid" who is not being paid to play the game. But coaches never object to the tens of thousands of fans fawning over that kid, the tutors arranged to help him maintain minimum eligibility standards, the training table meals he eats, the tricked-up locker room he changes in -- or the positive press most players receive most of the time. Hero worship is expected and encouraged; criticism is child abuse. It's quite the double standard.


(For the record, Reid is 21 years old. He was old enough to vote in the 2004 presidential election or to die in Iraq. But few people are afforded the means to grow up more slowly than major-college athletes.)


"Come after me!" Gundy bellowed directly at Carlson. "I'm a man! I'm 40!"

OK, if you insist. The Dash will go after Gundy.

The great orator said that the column in question was shown to him, "by a mother. A mother of children."

As opposed to a mother of walruses, presumably.

Gundy went on to say that 75 percent of the column was fabricated. He took issue with two points in the column. So maybe math isn't his specialty.

Anyway, The Dash hopes Gundy felt like a big man when it was over. Next time an ounce of professional decorum would be appreciated. Until then, try to worry more about improving that 13-15 career record that includes seven victories over Sun Belt and I-AA opposition.

(By the way: Gundy says he doesn't read the newspapers. It's The Dash's experience that the majority of coaches who say they don't read the newspapers are lying.)

 

shiner

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
He's dead on. Read the other Gundy thread and you'll see why.

Don't listen to Shiner

He's obviously an OU fanboi and will say anything to poo poo OSU.

I went to school at OSU you dumbass.
 

Phokus

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The great orator said that the column in question was shown to him, "by a mother. A mother of children."

As opposed to a mother of walruses, presumably.

Ok that's funny :D
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
He's dead on. Read the other Gundy thread and you'll see why.

Don't listen to Shiner

He's obviously an OU fanboi and will say anything to poo poo OSU.

I went to school at OSU you dumbass.

Some Alum you are

Damn it just turned to night here.

Lot's of lightning heading your way down in Tulsa.
 

Haui

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Haui
How is it dead on?

The points he was making are all valid. Like I said....go read the other thread.

Shiner,

Either you can "argue" your point and be respectable or continue to be ignorant and say "go read the other thread". OSU alum or not, I ask you to argue your point.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
He's dead on. Read the other Gundy thread and you'll see why.

Don't listen to Shiner

He's obviously an OU fanboi and will say anything to poo poo OSU.

I went to school at OSU you dumbass.

Some Alum you are

Damn it just turned to night here.

Lot's of lightning heading your way down in Tulsa.

Supporting the school does not mean supporting an athletic department that is run like a Banana Republic....and not the kind you buy clothes at.

Yeah...been pouring rain here on and off since around 11am.

 

shiner

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Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: Haui
How is it dead on?

The points he was making are all valid. Like I said....go read the other thread.

Shiner,

Either you can "argue" your point and be respectable or continue to be ignorant and say "go read the other thread". OSU alum or not, I ask you to argue your point.

I've already argued it in the other thread and don't feel like retyping it all here....

 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
He's dead on. Read the other Gundy thread and you'll see why.

Don't listen to Shiner

He's obviously an OU fanboi and will say anything to poo poo OSU.

I went to school at OSU you dumbass.

Some Alum you are

Damn it just turned to night here.

Lot's of lightning heading your way down in Tulsa.

Wait - did you feel that? That was a 7.0 earthquake NOT HAPPENING.
 
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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
He's dead on. Read the other Gundy thread and you'll see why.

Don't listen to Shiner

He's obviously an OU fanboi and will say anything to poo poo OSU.

I went to school at OSU you dumbass.

yet you are a Sooner fan. You and I have conversed about football before.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
He's dead on. Read the other Gundy thread and you'll see why.

Don't listen to Shiner

He's obviously an OU fanboi and will say anything to poo poo OSU.

I went to school at OSU you dumbass.

yet you are a Sooner fan. You and I have conversed about football before.

I have degrees from both schools. :D

 

Haui

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
He's dead on. Read the other Gundy thread and you'll see why.

Don't listen to Shiner

He's obviously an OU fanboi and will say anything to poo poo OSU.

I went to school at OSU you dumbass.

yet you are a Sooner fan. You and I have conversed about football before.

I have degrees from both schools. :D

Shiner....obviously your input is not valid here. Go back to your "other thread that I will not read" and enjoy your comments there.

OU and an OSU grad? Ouch......How many times were you ass raped by the other college?

 

shiner

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Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: shinerburke
He's dead on. Read the other Gundy thread and you'll see why.

Don't listen to Shiner

He's obviously an OU fanboi and will say anything to poo poo OSU.

I went to school at OSU you dumbass.

yet you are a Sooner fan. You and I have conversed about football before.

I have degrees from both schools. :D

Shiner....obviously your input is not valid here. Go back to your "other thread that I will not read" and enjoy your comments there.

OU and an OSU grad? Ouch......How many times were you ass raped by the other college?

WTF? You're not making any sense.

Look....bottom line is that Bobby Reid is a spoiled, coddled self centered brat. His teammates are sick of him and so are the coaches. Thus he lost his job. He doesn't have the mental toughness or heart to be a starting QB for a D1 school. The fact that Reid went crying to his mom after the article came out proves that point 100%. Of course what do you expect from a 21 year old mama's boy who lets his mommy feed him, actually putting it in his mouth, chicken after a football game while the rest of the team is eating their box dinners?

Gundy's rant was a hypocritical self serving joke. First he claims not to have read the article, then he says he disagrees with the article. How could he disagree with it if he didn't read it and know what it said?

 

Squisher

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Shiner, I agree with you, Gundy deflected criticism of himself by criticizing the reporter.

But, reading that reporters article all I can't say I is she is either a lazy or scared reporter. No quotes, no confirmations of information except for the fact that he ate some chicken his mother gave him and he said he was nervous before games it was all, "rumors and rumblings," "back stories," "insiders said." You can't go to press with so much unsubstantiated information and say you wonder if he was tough enough to play.

The article read like a blog posting.

 
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Originally posted by: Squisher
Shiner, I agree with you, Gundy deflected criticism of himself by criticizing the reporter.

But, reading that reporters article all I can't say I is she is either a lazy or scared reporter. No quotes, no confirmations of information except for the fact that he ate some chicken his mother gave him and he said he was nervous before games it was all, "rumors and rumblings," "back stories," "insiders said." You can't go to press with so much unsubstantiated information and say you wonder if he was tough enough to play.

The article read like a blog posting.

People seem to forget....college athletes are unpaid and should not be treated as celebrities. The public nor the media have the right to criticize or judge any college athlete for his performance.

That is the point Gundy was making. As he said, pick on a pro athlete all you want, they get paid to perform.
 

Alkaline5

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Squisher
Shiner, I agree with you, Gundy deflected criticism of himself by criticizing the reporter.

But, reading that reporters article all I can't say I is she is either a lazy or scared reporter. No quotes, no confirmations of information except for the fact that he ate some chicken his mother gave him and he said he was nervous before games it was all, "rumors and rumblings," "back stories," "insiders said." You can't go to press with so much unsubstantiated information and say you wonder if he was tough enough to play.

The article read like a blog posting.

People seem to forget....college athletes are unpaid and should not be treated as celebrities. The public nor the media have the right to criticize or judge any college athlete for his performance.

That is the point Gundy was making. As he said, pick on a pro athlete all you want, they get paid to perform.

He had a respectable point, but you can't attack a reporter with a ranting tirade like that. He should have remembered that the people he was berating were also going to be the ones telling the world about his speech--twisting it just enough to make him sound as dimwitted as possible so that they can feel better about themselves.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Squisher
Shiner, I agree with you, Gundy deflected criticism of himself by criticizing the reporter.

But, reading that reporters article all I can't say I is she is either a lazy or scared reporter. No quotes, no confirmations of information except for the fact that he ate some chicken his mother gave him and he said he was nervous before games it was all, "rumors and rumblings," "back stories," "insiders said." You can't go to press with so much unsubstantiated information and say you wonder if he was tough enough to play.

The article read like a blog posting.

People seem to forget....college athletes are unpaid and should not be treated as celebrities. The public nor the media have the right to criticize or judge any college athlete for his performance.

That is the point Gundy was making. As he said, pick on a pro athlete all you want, they get paid to perform.

Oh please. They sure love it when you heap praise on them and love seeing their names in the paper/on TV when they are being made idols of. On the flip side they should be able to handle it when they get criticized and not go crying to mommy because of what a reporter wrote.

Unpaid? They sure as hell are getting free education, free room and board, free tutoring, etc, etc, etc.... While they may not be collecting a paycheck they sure as hell are getting paid.

As for the whole "he's a kid" argument. He is 21 years old. 21. He isn't a kid. Hell none of them are. They are all at least 18 which means in the eyes of the law, and everyone else, they are adults.
 

thepd7

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Originally posted by: Alkaline5
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Squisher
Shiner, I agree with you, Gundy deflected criticism of himself by criticizing the reporter.

But, reading that reporters article all I can't say I is she is either a lazy or scared reporter. No quotes, no confirmations of information except for the fact that he ate some chicken his mother gave him and he said he was nervous before games it was all, "rumors and rumblings," "back stories," "insiders said." You can't go to press with so much unsubstantiated information and say you wonder if he was tough enough to play.

The article read like a blog posting.

People seem to forget....college athletes are unpaid and should not be treated as celebrities. The public nor the media have the right to criticize or judge any college athlete for his performance.

That is the point Gundy was making. As he said, pick on a pro athlete all you want, they get paid to perform.

He had a respectable point, but you can't attack a reporter with a ranting tirade like that. He should have remembered that the people he was berating were also going to be the ones telling the world about his speech--twisting it just enough to make him sound as dimwitted as possible so that they can feel better about themselves.

The reporter picked on a kid (student, whatever), the coach picked on an adult reporter. Who is in the wrong here?


Also, if you are potty-training your kid you don't scream at him or spank him when he shits his pants, but you do praise him when he goes in the toilet, that should take care of all the "they have all this stuff, tutors, etc" crap talk. There are certain positions early in life where you deserve praise and critiscism is not constructive. I am sure he got chewed out by coaches for not performing and there were consequences obviously (he lost his starting spot) but to do that in public to someone who is trying and NOT getting paid is horrible.

The columnists should be ashamed of herself.
 

lupi

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That's fine, just about everyone else at ESPN has said the coach was right.
 

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People seem to forget....college athletes are unpaid and should not be treated as celebrities. The public nor the media have the right to criticize or judge any college athlete for his performance.

That is the point Gundy was making. As he said, pick on a pro athlete all you want, they get paid to perform.

Of course, it makes sense now! THAT'S why the players only play games in dark, private rooms! That's why they never, ever drop out of college as soon as a scout who saw them decides they are good enough to get drafted! They're not pros, they're only playing football for the unadulterated love of the game! Thank you for making it all so clear!
 

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Squisher
Shiner, I agree with you, Gundy deflected criticism of himself by criticizing the reporter.

But, reading that reporters article all I can't say I is she is either a lazy or scared reporter. No quotes, no confirmations of information except for the fact that he ate some chicken his mother gave him and he said he was nervous before games it was all, "rumors and rumblings," "back stories," "insiders said." You can't go to press with so much unsubstantiated information and say you wonder if he was tough enough to play.

The article read like a blog posting.

People seem to forget....college athletes are unpaid and should not be treated as celebrities. The public nor the media have the right to criticize or judge any college athlete for his performance.

That is the point Gundy was making. As he said, pick on a pro athlete all you want, they get paid to perform.

Oh please. They sure love it when you heap praise on them and love seeing their names in the paper/on TV when they are being made idols of. On the flip side they should be able to handle it when they get criticized and not go crying to mommy because of what a reporter wrote.

Unpaid? They sure as hell are getting free education, free room and board, free tutoring, etc, etc, etc.... While they may not be collecting a paycheck they sure as hell are getting paid.

As for the whole "he's a kid" argument. He is 21 years old. 21. He isn't a kid. Hell none of them are. They are all at least 18 which means in the eyes of the law, and everyone else, they are adults.

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