Ernie Johnson just put it better than ANYONE

[ivwshane]

I already know about the emails and Benghazi nonsense. Even looking past that, Hillary still sold herself as another corporate-establishment puppet. That might be OK for some people, but it just did not resonate with me well.

How do you figure?

 

[Triloby]

How do you figure?

The fact that some of her donors and supporters were from Wall Street, Hollywood, random hedge fund managers, and venture capitalists. That might sound nit picky to you (since most politicians have donors of some sorts), but it kind of meant to me that there were a lot of powerful and rich people that wanted to see her succeed and play ball at certain things, while they wanted Trump to fail.

Then there's that whole thing about the Bush family wanting to endorse Hillary, because Trump insulted them. At first, I found it amazing that the Bushes would support the Clintons. But the more I thought about it, I then said to myself, "Wait. Why is this a good thing? I hated Bush Jr. as president, why the hell should I be glad about that?"

Last, but not least, there was that offbeat comment from James Comey regarding his decision to not convict or indict Hillary during the FBI investigations. It was something like, "Had anybody else done what she did, they would be facing life in prison, or had their security clearance revoked," or something along those lines. That kind of comment makes me believe that if any well-established politician can commit careless mistakes like that and only get a slap on the wrist, then there's a good chance she may not be held fully accountable for any kind of screw ups she could make as president. Of course, the Republicans would still hound her to no end on everything that she would do, but it wouldn't mean much coming out of them.

 

[ivwshane]

The fact that some of her donors and supporters were from Wall Street, Hollywood, random hedge fund managers, and venture capitalists. That might sound nit picky to you (since most politicians have donors of some sorts), but it kind of meant to me that there were a lot of powerful and rich people that wanted to see her succeed and play ball at certain things, while they wanted Trump to fail.

Then there's that whole thing about the Bush family wanting to endorse Hillary, because Trump insulted them. At first, I found it amazing that the Bushes would support the Clintons. But the more I thought about it, I then said to myself, "Wait. Why is this a good thing? I hated Bush Jr. as president, why the hell should I be glad about that?"

Last, but not least, there was that offbeat comment from James Comey regarding his decision to not convict or indict Hillary during the FBI investigations. It was something like, "Had anybody else done what she did, they would be facing life in prison, or had their security clearance revoked," or something along those lines. That kind of comment makes me believe that if any well-established politician can commit careless mistakes like that and only get a slap on the wrist, then there's a good chance she may not be held fully accountable for any kind of screw ups she could make as president. Of course, the Republicans would still hound her to no end on everything that she would do, but it wouldn't mean much coming out of them.

Ok then... That's alot of motivated reasoning.

 

[Gryz]

then there's a good chance she may not be held fully accountable for any kind of screw ups she could make as president.

Do you think there's ever been a President that was held accountable for the screwups he made ?
Heck, do you think there's ever been a politician held accountable for anything ?

The only thing politicians (and even your President) has to take into account is the rules about playing amongst themselves. Did the President report to Congress correctly, or did he withhold information ? Did anyone violate office policies, like email stuff, sending dick-pics, stealing a pencil from the office supplies.

But when it comes to true policies, laws, making decisions, spending tax-payer money, no politician was ever held accountable. Not in the US, and not in other countries. Once they get voted in, they can do whatever they want for the next 4 years. Always.

 

[Starbuck1975]

He wasn't comfortable voting for them but his actions lead directly to someone who's actions he found unacceptable being elected. Its not like trump blew out Clinton, hardly. The three states Hilary lost were lost by about 200k votes. People not voting or writing in someone else would have made the difference.
Own it.

Those who forced Clinton on us as the nominee need to own it as well. Some of us predicted this would happen. We were accused of spreading FUD. We were called concern trolls. Most recently, we were accused of being Russian operates. We got accused of not having critical reasoning.

What we were was correct. Obama is a loved and adored president. The American people for the most part like where he is leading the country. The Democrats once again claimed defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[ivwshane]

Those who forced Clinton on us as the nominee need to own it as well. Some of us predicted this would happen. We were accused of spreading FUD. We were called concern trolls. Most recently, we were accused of being Russian operates. We got accused of not having critical reasoning.

What we were was correct. Obama is a loved and adored president. The American people for the most part like where he is leading the country. The Democrats once again claimed defeat from the jaws of victory.

We don't vote for the candidates we want we vote for the candidates we have. Regardless of who the dems chose (I'm an independent btw, so I didn't get to vote), the choice was clear, any vote other than for Clinton was a vote for trump (even if you didn't bother voting).

Own it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Own it.

I laugh everytime I see you post this. I bet you hammer out the words on your keyboard too.

Going to be a fun 4 years

 

[Starbuck1975]

We don't vote for the candidates we want we vote for the candidates we have. Regardless of who the dems chose (I'm an independent btw, so I didn't get to vote), the choice was clear, any vote other than for Clinton was a vote for trump (even if you didn't bother voting).

Own it.

We all own it.

You want it all but you can't have it. It's in your face but you can grab it. What is it? It's it.

 

[dawp]

Do you think there's ever been a President that was held accountable for the screwups he made ?
Heck, do you think there's ever been a politician held accountable for anything ?

The only thing politicians (and even your President) has to take into account is the rules about playing amongst themselves. Did the President report to Congress correctly, or did he withhold information ? Did anyone violate office policies, like email stuff, sending dick-pics, stealing a pencil from the office supplies.

But when it comes to true policies, laws, making decisions, spending tax-payer money, no politician was ever held accountable. Not in the US, and not in other countries. Once they get voted in, they can do whatever they want for the next 4 years. Always.

Nixon comes to mind.

 

[Mursilis]

Those who forced Clinton on us as the nominee need to own it as well. Some of us predicted this would happen. We were accused of spreading FUD. We were called concern trolls. Most recently, we were accused of being Russian operates. We got accused of not having critical reasoning.

What we were was correct. Obama is a loved and adored president. The American people for the most part like where he is leading the country. The Democrats once again claimed defeat from the jaws of victory.

Don't forget that you're all sexists too!

I get SO sick of those in the Left who to live to play the race/sex card, and focus on that to the exclusion of all other issues. I had many friends who were pro-Hilary for no other reason than she was a woman, and who were completely blind to her many flaws as a candidate. Moreover, any criticism of her was "just because she's a woman!" There was no rational discussion with them. I have three daughters and I would've loved to sit with them and watch our nation inaugurate a female president, but I just couldn't get behind THIS female candidate. I did not vote for her, and that doesn't make me a sexist, despite what all the Hilary supporters say.

 

[Triloby]

Do you think there's ever been a President that was held accountable for the screwups he made ?
Heck, do you think there's ever been a politician held accountable for anything ?

The only thing politicians (and even your President) has to take into account is the rules about playing amongst themselves. Did the President report to Congress correctly, or did he withhold information ? Did anyone violate office policies, like email stuff, sending dick-pics, stealing a pencil from the office supplies.

But when it comes to true policies, laws, making decisions, spending tax-payer money, no politician was ever held accountable. Not in the US, and not in other countries. Once they get voted in, they can do whatever they want for the next 4 years. Always.

Does Watergate and the Lewinsky scandal count? They may not be the most vile screw ups a president has ever made, but it was still bad enough for them to either get impeached or resign from office.

Either way, we've seen congressmen and senators get in trouble for lesser things. You think Anthony Weiner is gonna have a good future from his dick pic scandal? You think history is going to hold James Comey in high regard as his position of FBI Director?

The problem here is that Hillary was in a special position in politics that most other people would be lucky enough to be in. If any other person was careless enough to setup an email server the way she did, their asses would be looking at life in prison. But because Hillary is Hillary, she won't ever be fully indicted for her carelessness.