Ernie Johnson just put it better than ANYONE

ivwshane

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He highlights exactly what's wrong with the electorate. Praying doesn't fix the issues! Praying doesn't solve problems! Hoping someone isn't as bad as you think they are doesn't mean shit! Writing someone in because you thought both choices were bad but one was way worse, doesn't absolve you of responsibility you had in electing an unqualified person!

Trust issues? Intellectually laziness is what that is.
 

buckshot24

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He highlights exactly what's wrong with the electorate. Praying doesn't fix the issues! Praying doesn't solve problems! Hoping someone isn't as bad as you think they are doesn't mean shit! Writing someone in because you thought both choices were bad but one was way worse, doesn't absolve you of responsibility you had in electing an unqualified person!

Trust issues? Intellectually laziness is what that is.
Somebody is still sore that Trump is now President-Elect Trump.
 

Double Trouble

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He highlights exactly what's wrong with the electorate. Praying doesn't fix the issues! Praying doesn't solve problems! Hoping someone isn't as bad as you think they are doesn't mean shit! Writing someone in because you thought both choices were bad but one was way worse, doesn't absolve you of responsibility you had in electing an unqualified person!

Trust issues? Intellectually laziness is what that is.

So now you get to decide for him that one was way worse, and that it was his responsibility to vote for the other one? If he did not believe either of the candidates were the right person, then he did the right damn thing to write in someone else. He has no responsibility to vote for someone just because you happen to think one was better than the other.

His approach is correct and I wish more people would behave like EJ does each and every day. Every single person who knows him thinks the world about him, and I can see why.
 

Triloby

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He highlights exactly what's wrong with the electorate. Praying doesn't fix the issues! Praying doesn't solve problems! Hoping someone isn't as bad as you think they are doesn't mean shit! Writing someone in because you thought both choices were bad but one was way worse, doesn't absolve you of responsibility you had in electing an unqualified person!

Trust issues? Intellectually laziness is what that is.

He can vote for whoever the hell he wants. That's his right. He has no responsibility or obligation to vote for either Hillary or Trump at the polls.

Considering this election, it's almost hard to blame people for not wanting to vote for either of the shit-fest candidates.
 

Double Trouble

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He can vote for whoever the hell he wants. That's his right. He has no responsibility or obligation to vote for either Hillary or Trump at the polls.

Considering this election, it's almost hard to blame people for not wanting to vote for either of the shit-fest candidates.

I'd go further. Many (maybe even most?) of us held our nose and voted for someone we didn't like because we dreaded the possibility of the other candidate becoming president even more. If everyone who felt that way had acted on that feeling the way he did we might get some change. We all went with the lesser of two evils , whichever one you think that was, but we did nothing to get rid of both evils.
 
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ivwshane

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Somebody is still sore that Trump is now President-Elect Trump.

Hardly, him being elected will have zero impact on me... other Americans? Not so much and where my concern lies.

So now you get to decide for him that one was way worse, and that it was his responsibility to vote for the other one? If he did not believe either of the candidates were the right person, then he did the right damn thing to write in someone else. He has no responsibility to vote for someone just because you happen to think one was better than the other.

His approach is correct and I wish more people would behave like EJ does each and every day. Every single person who knows him thinks the world about him, and I can see why.

He can vote for whoever the hell he wants. That's his right. He has no responsibility or obligation to vote for either Hillary or Trump at the polls.

Considering this election, it's almost hard to blame people for not wanting to vote for either of the shit-fest candidates.

Um I didn't say he has to vote for whoever I say. He simply has to take responsibility for his actions. I figured that would be a pretty non controversial statement considering how the right is always talking about personal responsibility.

Don't complain about the results when your actions contributed to the results.
 

Double Trouble

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Hardly, him being elected will have zero impact on me... other Americans? Not so much and where my concern lies.





Um I didn't say he has to vote for whoever I say. He simply has to take responsibility for his actions. I figured that would be a pretty non controversial statement considering how the right is always talking about personal responsibility.

Don't complain about the results when your actions contributed to the results.

His actions were exactly what those of a responsible citizen should be. He is not to blame for having two candidates available that he didn't feel comfortable voting for. He was right on the mark with his comments.
 

agent00f

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Absolutely hilarious that the religious right voted for someone Jesus would've cast straight to hell. This guy might have a clear conscience but his prayers aren't going to save all these shitheads who just spit in their lord's face.
 

ivwshane

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His actions were exactly what those of a responsible citizen should be. He is not to blame for having two candidates available that he didn't feel comfortable voting for. He was right on the mark with his comments.

He wasn't comfortable voting for them but his actions lead directly to someone who's actions he found unacceptable being elected. Its not like trump blew out Clinton, hardly. The three states Hilary lost were lost by about 200k votes. People not voting or writing in someone else would have made the difference.
Own it.
 

Triloby

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Um I didn't say he has to vote for whoever I say. He simply has to take responsibility for his actions. I figured that would be a pretty non controversial statement considering how the right is always talking about personal responsibility.

Don't complain about the results when your actions contributed to the results.

Responsibility for what actions? If he could not vote for either of the main candidates in good faith, then is he to blame for some unpredictable action or event in the future? Does he live in a swing state? If not, then why should he care?

At least he got out to vote for someone. That's better than someone who hasn't registered to vote, but still complains about the outcome of the election. Those people can kindly fuck off.
 

Mai72

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"It's hard to believe that a guy with no political experience is the POTUS."

What about Regan? An actor turned president of America. I guess I could look that up.
 

ivwshane

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Responsibility for what actions? If he could not vote for either of the main candidates in good faith, then is he to blame for some unpredictable action or event in the future? Does he live in a swing state? If not, then why should he care?

At least he got out to vote for someone. That's better than someone who hasn't registered to vote, but still complains about the outcome of the election. Those people can kindly fuck off.

We'll have to agree to disagree (except the last part, fuck those people).
 

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"It's hard to believe that a guy with no political experience is the POTUS."

What about Regan? An actor turned president of America. I guess I could look that up.
Reagan was only governor of California for 8 years. He'd also been involved in politics since WWII. (And at first as a Democrat).
 

ivwshane

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Reagan was only governor of California for 8 years. He'd also been involved in politics since WWII. (And at first as a Democrat).

Interestingly, he did propaganda videos (or radio) against health care. No wonder the right loves him, they love propaganda!
 

Triloby

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I'd go further. Many (maybe even most?) of us held our nose and voted for someone we didn't like because we dreaded the possibility of the other candidate becoming president even more. If everyone who felt that way had acted on that feeling the way he did we might get some change. We all went with the lesser of two evils , whichever one you think that was, but we did nothing to get rid of both evils.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what I ended up doing. I literally held my nose and voted for Hillary during early voting, cause I didn't want to see a Trump presidency. Problem is, I didn't like Hillary as a candidate either.

In hindsight, I don't even know why I bothered voting for Hillary. I don't live in a swing state anyway, so it would make even less of a difference who I voted for.

Should've just written in Scrooge McDuck for president.
 

ivwshane

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Unfortunately, that's exactly what I ended up doing. I literally held my nose and voted for Hillary during early voting, cause I didn't want to see a Trump presidency. Problem is, I didn't like Hillary as a candidate either.

In hindsight, I don't even know why I bothered voting for Hillary. I don't live in a swing state anyway, so it would make even less of a difference who I voted for.

Should've just written in Scrooge McDuck for president.

Voting for the president shouldn't be about whether or not you like a person or who you would want to have a beer with, it should be about the policies they support and their plans for implementing those policies. Their character should be used to judge whether or not you think they will do what they say. That's my opinion though.

If it was any other Republican candidate vs Hillary and people don't like either one then I would not see any issue with writing someone in or voting third party. Why? Because none of the other candidates were so unqualified, so despicable, so hate filled, so disqualifying as was trump.
If it was somehow trump vs Cruz, I'd still being myself to vote for Cruz despite my hatred for him being similar to the hate people have for Clinton.
 

Triloby

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Voting for the president shouldn't be about whether or not you like a person or who you would want to have a beer with, it should be about the policies they support and their plans for implementing those policies. Their character should be used to judge whether or not you think they will do what they say. That's my opinion though.

If it was any other Republican candidate vs Hillary and people don't like either one then I would not see any issue with writing someone in or voting third party. Why? Because none of the other candidates were so unqualified, so despicable, so hate filled, so disqualifying as was trump.
If it was somehow trump vs Cruz, I'd still being myself to vote for Cruz despite my hatred for him being similar to the hate people have for Clinton.

Except I voted for Hillary based on her policies, supposedly better judgement, and temperament for president, not because she would be the type of person I would have a drink with. Even then, it was still hard to ignore the amount of political baggage that she was carrying, plus the fact that she was uninspiring as a candidate to begin with. Making promises on a campaign is one thing, following them through when you're elected to office is another thing. I did like how she was willing to adopt some of Bernie Sander's ideas into her policies, but there was no guarantee that she would follow through with them as president.

At the end of the day, she and Trump were still the personification of the "lesser of two evils". No matter who wins, America is going to lose either way. This was no typical election, and I fear that future elections can get even worse than this.
 

ivwshane

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Except I voted for Hillary based on her policies, supposedly better judgement, and temperament for president, not because she would be the type of person I would have a drink with. Even then, it was still hard to ignore the amount of political baggage that she was carrying, plus the fact that she was uninspiring as a candidate to begin with. Making promises on a campaign is one thing, following them through when you're elected to office is another thing. I did like how she was willing to adopt some of Bernie Sander's ideas into her policies, but there was no guarantee that she would follow through with them as president.

At the end of the day, she and Trump were still the personification of the "lesser of two evils". No matter who wins, America is going to lose either way. This was no typical election, and I fear that future elections can get even worse than this.

Hey, I commend you for your actions, you held your nose and did your part. I'm simply asking that those who didn't do their part should take responsibility.

Her baggage btw, was verifiable bs. Do you know why Hillary's email use was being investigated in the first place?
 

Triloby

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Hey, I commend you for your actions, you held your nose and did your part. I'm simply asking that those who didn't do their part should take responsibility.

Her baggage btw, was verifiable bs. Do you know why Hillary's email use was being investigated in the first place?

I already know about the emails and Benghazi nonsense. Even looking past that, Hillary still sold herself as another corporate-establishment puppet. That might be OK for some people, but it just did not resonate with me well.