Eric Holder pulls the Race Card

cybrsage

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It was only a matter of time before he pulled the race card:

The attorney general cited race in explaining why a "more extreme segment" of his critics were going after him. "This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him, both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we're both African-American," Holder said in an interview with The New York Times.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...iny-justice-department-actions/#ixzz1hGhzrZH7

"Oh no, I am in big trouble. What do I do? [opens DNC playbook] Oh yeah, there it is, when in big trouble, claim those who are in the right are racists. Awesome!"
 

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oh jeessssuss....

Yeah. It's cause he's black. Nothing to do with lying under oath or selling guns to cartels we pretend we're trying to defeat, while being unwilling to change a drug policy that provides them with all of their profits.

[opens DNC playbook]

Please... It's not a red vs blue thing at all.
 

Greenman

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It's like a "get out of jail free" card, and an all encompassing excuse rolled into one.
 
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How many republicans pull the race card?

Herman Cain and his defenders "pulled the race card" again and again when he was put under a spotlight for sexual harassment and philandering. Not only that, they did so by quoting Clarence Thomas, who "pulled the race card" during his confirmation hearings.

You yourself accused Michael Savage (who, last I checked, is still a Republican) of "pulling the race card" within the last two weeks, for his comment that Newt Gingrich would, in the context of a general election against President Obama, be seen as a fat white man.
 

cybrsage

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Herman Cain and his defenders "played the race card" again and again when he was put under a spotlight for sexual harassment and philandering. Not only that, they did so by quoting Clarence Thomas, who "played the race card" during his confirmation hearings.

I stand corrected. I actually did not follow Cain much and I was at sea on a submarine during the entire Thomas thing, so I missed it.

Thanks for the info. Apparently both sides do it now. That is sad, hopefully with so many people doing it it will become less and less effective.

You yourself accused Michael Savage (who, last I checked, is still a Republican) of "playing the race card" within the last two weeks, for his comment that Newt Gingrich would, in the context of a general election against President Obama, be seen as a fat white man.

That one is different, as it is not an attempt to escape the results of ones actions but someone else using your race against you. That is direct racism instead.
 
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That one is different, as it is not an attempt to escape the results of ones actions but someone else using your race against you. That is direct racism instead.

Nevertheless, that is the phrase you used. It made no sense to me at the time, and still doesn't, but you characterized Savage's comments as "pulling the race card." Personally I fail to see how one white man pointing out another white man's whiteness is racist or "pulling the race card."
 

cybrsage

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Ah, then I misspoke. I meant something other than what I posted. My bad. The rest of the conversation (what I remember of it) makes more sense now.
 

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It's like a "get out of jail free" card, and an all encompassing excuse rolled into one.

What if he's jewish and black?

And if that's the case do you pull the black card first and save the jewish one for later?
 

Genx87

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I heard he pulled this a couple days ago. What a douchenozzle. He is simply incompetent. Nothing to do with the color of his skin.
 

waggy

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I want him in jail. not because he is black but for gun running they did. Every fucking person that gave it the green light should be in jail.
 

CanOWorms

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He is correct. He, like Obama, are targets of the far right due to their race. Denying this is to deny reality.
 

peonyu

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Its usually the mixed black people who pull the race card. Holder if he had straight hair [or straightened it] could pass as a tanned white guy. On the other hand, folks like Cain who actually look African black dont use the card as much...Just a oddity I have noticed in Politics.
 

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He should pull the race card, as there are plenty of racists. Or if that's not a term you prefer, prejudice, that runs quite rampant in this country and no amount of obfuscation can change this fact.
 

cybrsage

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He should pull the race card, as there are plenty of racists. Or if that's not a term you prefer, prejudice, that runs quite rampant in this country and no amount of obfuscation can change this fact.

While this is true in the general sense, it is not true in this specific instance.

I heard about this boy once, got eaten by wolves...
 

woolfe9999

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Playing the race card? Unfortunately, here we go again with Faux News not giving the entire statement:

In the interview, Mr. Holder offered a glimpse of how he viewed the criticism. He said he thought some critics — like Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who favors allowing the military to handle terrorism suspects over the criminal justice system — are expressing “good faith” arguments about their policy disagreements.

But Mr. Holder contended that many of his other critics — not only elected Republicans but also a broader universe of conservative commentators and bloggers — were instead playing “Washington gotcha” games, portraying them as frequently “conflating things, conveniently leaving some stuff out, construing things to make it seem not quite what it was” to paint him and other department figures in the worst possible light.

Of that group of critics, Mr. Holder said he believed that a few — the “more extreme segment” — were motivated by animus against Mr. Obama and that he served as a stand-in for him. “This is a way to get at the president because of the way I can be identified with him,” he said, “both due to the nature of our relationship and, you know, the fact that we’re both African-American.”

First off, he provides other motives for the bulk of his critics, and applies this motive to an "extreme" "few." That is not apparent from the Fox article.

Second, it's questionable that he's even playing the race card with respect to these "few" critics. He didn't say they targeted him because they're racist. He said they targeted him because people identify him with Obama, in part because both are the same race (but also because they are known to be personal friends). In other words, he is saying that these "few" critics are targeting him in particular because they think their criticisms may rub off on Obama more since both are of the same race. At most, he may be suggesting that these "few" critics are pandering to the racism of others. It's not even clear that he's saying that much.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/u...e-eric-holder-soldiers-on.html?pagewanted=all

At worst, this is a pretty minor "playing the race card" offense, if indeed he isn't exactly correct in what he's suggesting.

- wolf
 
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woolfe9999

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The sad part is that Holder probably actually believes what he's saying.

No, the sad part is that he isn't saying anything all that unreasonable, but people are way over-interpreting it. Especially people whose entire worldview comes from Fox News and talk radio. But then, I wouldn't expect anything different.
 

werepossum

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No, the sad part is that he isn't saying anything all that unreasonable, but people are way over-interpreting it. Especially people whose entire worldview comes from Fox News and talk radio. But then, I wouldn't expect anything different.
It certainly sounded unreasonable to me, as he is directly implying that if he were not black, at least some of his critics would not be his critics, if only because he is somehow closer to Obama than those appointees who do not share the President's approximate level of melanin. That's plenty sad.

That said, I do feel a certain amount of empathy for Holder, as it's not at all apparent that he directed this abortion of a program or even knew about it until it blew up. I'm not even absolutely certain his lies to Congress were intentional - although at best that means he's not reading or comprehending important interdepartmental emails, which would be a breach of duty.