Equality for all?

[BigToque]

I was just listening to the song "Police State" by Dead Prez.

The chorus

The average Black male
Live a third of his life in a jail cell
Cause the world is controlled by the white male
And the people don't never get justice
And the women don't never get respected
And the problems don't never get solved
And the jobs don't never pay enough
So the rent always be late; can you relate?
We livin in a police state

Obviously there are problems on both sides of the fence. What do you do when people of all races feel they are being held down by the white population, and even though on the surface we try to say "Equality for all", it's clear that not everyone thinks so.

How do you combat this problem? Is it just something that we just keep up and hope that the problem goes away?

 

[Cuda1447]

Uh, I don't think the "white man" is holding anyone down...

 

[wvtalbot]

Originally posted by: BigToque
I was just listening to the song "Police State" by Dead Prez.

The chorus

The average Black male
Live a third of his life in a jail cell
Cause the world is controlled by the white male
And the people don't never get justice
And the women don't never get respected
And the problems don't never get solved
And the jobs don't never pay enough
So the rent always be late; can you relate?
We livin in a police state

Obviously there are problems on both sides of the fence. What do you do when people of all races feel they are being held down by the white population, and even though on the surface we try to say "Equality for all", it's clear that not everyone thinks so.

How do you combat this problem? Is it just something that we just keep up and hope that the problem goes away?

The problem will never go away, it is basic human nature to opress others. Equality for all is a lie, I think its hilarious how people eat up the propoganda that the US was founded on that concept when it was really founded on equality for rich white males.

 

[BrokenVisage]

I love Dead Prez, but equality for all will happen nowhere and never.

 

[dug777]

this thread will go Pee&Enn pretty quick i suspect

That said, if someone spends ANY time in gaol it's his own fault.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Yeah, because it's our fault whenever some "black man" steals a T.V. or a car. You can only blame so much on us.

 

[Queasy]

methinks Dead Prez doesn't have the first clue about what constitutes a "Police State".

As for equality for all, never gonna happen. Trying to create something where everyone is equal economically, socially, etc only creates a system where everyone is equally miserable.

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: LoKe
Yeah, because it's our fault whenever some "black man" steals a T.V. or a car. You can only blame so much on us.

What situations led to this person be so desperate that he needed to steal a TV or a car? You have to look beyond the surface.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: BigToque

Originally posted by: LoKe
Yeah, because it's our fault whenever some "black man" steals a T.V. or a car. You can only blame so much on us.

What situations led to this person be so desperate that he needed to steal a TV or a car? You have to look beyond the surface.

I can see where you're comming from, but this day in age things are a lot better for african-americans. Everyone is able to get a job, but just because their parents raised them on welfare, they feel they need to commit a crime to get what they want. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to generalize, I'm just saying, those that do seem to blame it on us, yet, if they just got a job, they could pay for what they want/need.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: BigToque

Originally posted by: LoKe
Yeah, because it's our fault whenever some "black man" steals a T.V. or a car. You can only blame so much on us.

What situations led to this person be so desperate that he needed to steal a TV or a car? You have to look beyond the surface.

Holy fricken crap, you also have to learn of something called personal responsibility.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: BigToque

Originally posted by: LoKe
Yeah, because it's our fault whenever some "black man" steals a T.V. or a car. You can only blame so much on us.

What situations led to this person be so desperate that he needed to steal a TV or a car? You have to look beyond the surface.

Do you think anyone really cares? Are you that stupid, you've been here for this long and you can't figure out the general attitude of this board?

This is the absolute worst place to post this. The above post is a fine representation of why.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: BigToque

Originally posted by: LoKe
Yeah, because it's our fault whenever some "black man" steals a T.V. or a car. You can only blame so much on us.

What situations led to this person be so desperate that he needed to steal a TV or a car? You have to look beyond the surface.

Do you think anyone really cares? Are you that stupid, you've been here for this long and you can't figure out the general attitude of this board?

This is the absolute worst place to post this. The above post is a fine representation of why.

How about giving your opinion on the matter, rather than dismissing everyone elses?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: BigToque

Originally posted by: LoKe
Yeah, because it's our fault whenever some "black man" steals a T.V. or a car. You can only blame so much on us.

What situations led to this person be so desperate that he needed to steal a TV or a car? You have to look beyond the surface.

Do you think anyone really cares? Are you that stupid, you've been here for this long and you can't figure out the general attitude of this board?

This is the absolute worst place to post this. The above post is a fine representation of why.

How about giving your opinion on the matter, rather than dismissing everyone elses?

Why I'll inevitably get flamed for it?

And there are like 2 black people on these boards anyways.

 

[DaShen]

Nope, but it is the responsibility of the Black man to raise the Black communities condition.
It is the responsibility of the Female to raise the Females condition.
...
And groups will never be totally equal, especially in gender. It is about allowing the same equal opportunity to use your skills to benefit yourself and society. An African-American produces more testosterone in their system, than an average Asian-American, this means statistically African-Americans are more athletic than your typical Asian-American. Is it equal? No. Is it fair? Still, Yes, because the opportunity to excel in sports is equal for both if not at least a little bit in favor of African Americans. There is no problem here. A female is definitely not as athletic as a male, we are typically stronger. Does that mean that they should lower the requirements for Navy SEALS or for Emergeny Firefighters for women? By no means. Is it equal? No. Is it fair? Yes.

Right now, IMO, both groups are working backwards, because there is this sense of entitlement with everyone having a hand out in the groups. Cosby had a good point, in this, change the way culture treats you, by changing the way the culture perceives you. If you want to climb the corporate ladder and be successful like many males in business, then work hard at it to cahnge peopels view of women's roles (instead I see women complaining about this situation, yet when a promotional opportunity comes up, they shrug it off for family <this is an inevitable thing IMO, because men and women roles are different in society, but don't complain about it when this stuff happens> ). If you want to have the business community treat you more fairly as a African American culture, then start to use good grammar and English in everyday life instead of using Eubonics. I had friends that could easily turn on speaking Eubonics and speak grammatically as well. That was highly impressive to me. Stop allowing for some people in your community get away with expecting a handout from the gov't, and shun them instead of accepting it as something that is deserved. Do those things and you elevate the way society as a whole views your culture.

 

[dullard]

As long as people are different there will be anger, hate, prejudice, discrimination, and inequalities that all of those create. The solution of course, is to have everyone be the exact same. What a horrible world that would be (think about it).

The best we can do is to learn from the starving man and fish story.
[*]Don't just ignore him, since he'll rob you blind to eat.
[*]Don't give a starving man to fish, it'll only help him for one day.
[*]Don't teach a starving man to fish, he doesn't have the strength to reel it in.
[*]Instead, give a starving man a fish, then teach him to fish. He should then be set for life. If he is still starving later, then screw him, he is a worthless blob on society just trying to mooch off everyone else.

Sadly, most people try one of the first three and no one has tried the forth.

 

[K1052]

Sorry, us white folks are far too busy opressing only the blacks to listen to the lyrics or even properly oppress the Asians, Mexicans, Indians, Persians, Pakistanis, etc....

Please excuse me while I return to my vast cotton plantation.

 

[wvtalbot]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: LoKe

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: BigToque

Originally posted by: LoKe
Yeah, because it's our fault whenever some "black man" steals a T.V. or a car. You can only blame so much on us.

What situations led to this person be so desperate that he needed to steal a TV or a car? You have to look beyond the surface.

Do you think anyone really cares? Are you that stupid, you've been here for this long and you can't figure out the general attitude of this board?

This is the absolute worst place to post this. The above post is a fine representation of why.

How about giving your opinion on the matter, rather than dismissing everyone elses?

Why I'll inevitably get flamed for it?

And there are like 2 black people on these boards anyways.

Your right, I have found this board to have a pretty strong racist undertone, if you want to talk about race issues this is definitly not the place.

 

[Cuda1447]

For every black man that was dealt a card, there is a white man, an asian and a japanese that were dealt a bad hand as well. Blacks aren't the only people that live in the ghetto. Conversly, whites aren't the only ones that hold political offices, top paying jobs at large companies, etc. I think everyone here realizes that the ghetto isn't a great place to grow up. And Im sure its easier to grow up in a middle class suburban neighborhood than it is south central L.A. Thats beside the point however. There ARE people who come from bad neighborhoods that make something of themselves.

You cannot justify stealing/selling drugs/other criminal activity simply because of where seomone grows up. There are already TONS of programs out there designed to help kids get out of bad neighborhoods like that. The problem is, a lot of them don't want to. They made the choice to join a gang. They made the choice to skip school and go rob that grocery store. They made the choice to not take the ACT and try to get into college so they can better themselves. There is only so much the "white man" can do, and to say that society is holding minorities down is just ridiculous. If that were the case there wouldn't be massive amounts of programs designed to give minorities a leg up over the competition. (To many programs, IMO. But thats a whole other argument).

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: K1052
Sorry, us white folks are far too busy opressing only the blacks to listen to the lyrics or even properly oppress the Asians, Mexicans, Indians, Persians, Pakistanis, etc....

Please excuse me while I return to my vast cotton plantation.

Um you do know we oppressed all of the above groups at one time in our history right?

Genious.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: K1052
Sorry, us white folks are far too busy opressing only the blacks to listen to the lyrics or even properly oppress the Asians, Mexicans, Indians, Persians, Pakistanis, etc....

Please excuse me while I return to my vast cotton plantation.

Um you do know we oppressed all of the above groups at one time in our history right?

Genious.

Nearly everyone oppressed everyone else at one point or another in history.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: K1052
Sorry, us white folks are far too busy opressing only the blacks to listen to the lyrics or even properly oppress the Asians, Mexicans, Indians, Persians, Pakistanis, etc....

Please excuse me while I return to my vast cotton plantation.

Um you do know we oppressed all of the above groups at one time in our history right?

Genious.

I didn't realize we were still doing that though. I thought that happened over 2 centuries ago.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: K1052
Sorry, us white folks are far too busy opressing only the blacks to listen to the lyrics or even properly oppress the Asians, Mexicans, Indians, Persians, Pakistanis, etc....

Please excuse me while I return to my vast cotton plantation.

Um you do know we oppressed all of the above groups at one time in our history right?

Genious.

Hmmm... yet somehow they have managed to not only survive, but flourish.

Maybe the Irish should come back and demand their reperations for what they went through at the turn of the 20th century...

 

[tfcmasta97]

white people make it so countless minorities cant advance from the ghetto.
white people complain that immigrants are taking their jobs and blame them for all their problems
white people whine and complain when their school standards are too asian and difficult for them

but i guess white people have a reason to complain

after all, guns dont kill people. dangerous minorities do.

 

[Proletariat]

about 70 years ago? I think thats when the British left India. When did we fight the Mexican American War? We sure bombed the hell out of Vietnam.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
For every black man that was dealt a card, there is a white man, an asian and a japanese that were dealt a bad hand as well. Blacks aren't the only people that live in the ghetto. Conversly, whites aren't the only ones that hold political offices, top paying jobs at large companies, etc. I think everyone here realizes that the ghetto isn't a great place to grow up. And Im sure its more difficult to grow up in a middle class suburban neighborhood than it is south central L.A. Thats beside the point however. There ARE people who come from bad neighborhoods that make something of themselves.

You cannot justify stealing/selling drugs/other criminal activity simply because of where seomone grows up. There are already TONS of programs out there designed to help kids get out of bad neighborhoods like that. The problem is, a lot of them don't want to. They made the choice to join a gang. They made the choice to skip school and go rob that grocery store. They made the choice to not take the ACT and try to get into college so they can better themselves. There is only so much the "white man" can do, and to say that society is holding minorities down is just ridiculous. If that were the case there wouldn't be massive amounts of programs designed to give minorities a leg up over the competition. (To many programs, IMO. But thats a whole other argument).

QFT. It is the poor predominately black and hispanic culture now that is holding the black and hispanic culture down, not the white culture. The only way to get away from that is to reject the negative sides of the poor culture and accept only the positives from those cultures, which there are a lot (for one, a very close, knit community). But the drugs, gangs, and sense of entitlement have to go to have anybody perceive the culture as being anything but.

My parents had to live in the projects for a while when they moved to the states. Both my parent's families were extremely successful in Taiwan, but when they moved over here, they had nothing. My dad went back to get his 2nd PHD in Virginia and lived in the projects while supporting the family. Now my father's side of the family are all either business owners, doctors, dentists, optometrists... My mom's side are all quite successful too. All of them had to work there way out of poor neighborhoods. None of them accepted a handout, or even went to get food stamps, although many times they probably should have.