FunkyPorcini
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Not sure if this has been put out here yet but thought ya'll should know.
http://www.hardocp.com/articles/visiontek/epoxvtti4600.html
http://www.hardocp.com/articles/visiontek/epoxvtti4600.html
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Epox 8KHA+ and 8KHA Conflict With Geforce 4 GPU
- Thread starter FunkyPorcini
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I've been reading up on that hoping that someone gets this issue resolved soon. If Epox did not adhere to standard specifications for component height around the AGP slot with that one capacitor then they should be replacing every board that any user complains about.
It's unfortunate that this is happening with such a popular board as the Epox with such a soon to be popular video card as the GF4. I know I personally will be affected by this issue soon as I have a GF4 4400 on order from Gateway/NECX (yup got it reinstated yesterday) but will be cancelling it or sending my motherboard back to Epox for a fix once this issue gets blown up by the online press.
If they'll let us solder the capacitor sideways onto the board and insulate it some under warranty I'd be happy to do that rather than send it back and wait a week or 2. 😉
Gaidin
It's unfortunate that this is happening with such a popular board as the Epox with such a soon to be popular video card as the GF4. I know I personally will be affected by this issue soon as I have a GF4 4400 on order from Gateway/NECX (yup got it reinstated yesterday) but will be cancelling it or sending my motherboard back to Epox for a fix once this issue gets blown up by the online press.
If they'll let us solder the capacitor sideways onto the board and insulate it some under warranty I'd be happy to do that rather than send it back and wait a week or 2. 😉
Gaidin
Snagged this from aoaforums.com
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Dear Users,
Since March 1, 2002 here at EPoX USA we have been busily working to find out the cause of the problems between the capacitors on the 8KHA(+) and those on the Visiontek GeForce 4 Ti4600. As of today (March 7, 2002) we are prepared to offer this explanation of the cause of the problem and the following solution. First off we?d like to take the time to thank our customers that took time out of their day to let us know of the problem. Here at EPoX customer satisfaction is our number one priority. EPoX?s R/D department during the creation of the 8KHA+ decided that the stability of the DDR memory during over clocking was of utmost importance thus the reason for the numerous capacitors. That?s one of the reasons why the 8KHA+ has much a great overclocking performance. At the time of design, no Video cards had any mechanical issues nor did it have a problem with any video cards in the foreseeable future. Now almost a full year after the final design of the 8KHA(+) was set we have started to have a minor conflict.
Testing with some of the GeForce 4 Ti4600s in our labs has pointed to a problem in which your Ti 4600 card could potentially be damaged if inserted improperly or under force. We would advise all 8KHA(+) owners to use utmost caution when inserting video cards that match that description. Also after testing, we have concluded that there is no significant problem or issue with the motherboard capacitor and the video card capacitor touching. If you own an EPoX 8KHA(+) and it has a definite conflict in which you can not insert your video card there are several solutions available. The preferred solution is to contact your nearest EPoX location. The other solution is to take it to a certified computer technician where they can remove the offending capacitor. It is not recommended that you do this procedure yourself since if done incorrectly it could damage your motherboard and/or your own safety.
We are currently working with manufacturers that do not have this issue and will promote heavily and give all of our EPoX users a chance to buy a G Force 4 Ti 4600 at a lower price.
As always here at EPoX we are glad you have let us know your comments and your concerns with our product. We are glad to be your motherboard of choice and look forward to providing all your future motherboard needs.
Samuel Kang
Marketing / Product Manager
Production Department
North American Operation
EPoX International, Inc. USA
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Dear Users,
Since March 1, 2002 here at EPoX USA we have been busily working to find out the cause of the problems between the capacitors on the 8KHA(+) and those on the Visiontek GeForce 4 Ti4600. As of today (March 7, 2002) we are prepared to offer this explanation of the cause of the problem and the following solution. First off we?d like to take the time to thank our customers that took time out of their day to let us know of the problem. Here at EPoX customer satisfaction is our number one priority. EPoX?s R/D department during the creation of the 8KHA+ decided that the stability of the DDR memory during over clocking was of utmost importance thus the reason for the numerous capacitors. That?s one of the reasons why the 8KHA+ has much a great overclocking performance. At the time of design, no Video cards had any mechanical issues nor did it have a problem with any video cards in the foreseeable future. Now almost a full year after the final design of the 8KHA(+) was set we have started to have a minor conflict.
Testing with some of the GeForce 4 Ti4600s in our labs has pointed to a problem in which your Ti 4600 card could potentially be damaged if inserted improperly or under force. We would advise all 8KHA(+) owners to use utmost caution when inserting video cards that match that description. Also after testing, we have concluded that there is no significant problem or issue with the motherboard capacitor and the video card capacitor touching. If you own an EPoX 8KHA(+) and it has a definite conflict in which you can not insert your video card there are several solutions available. The preferred solution is to contact your nearest EPoX location. The other solution is to take it to a certified computer technician where they can remove the offending capacitor. It is not recommended that you do this procedure yourself since if done incorrectly it could damage your motherboard and/or your own safety.
We are currently working with manufacturers that do not have this issue and will promote heavily and give all of our EPoX users a chance to buy a G Force 4 Ti 4600 at a lower price.
As always here at EPoX we are glad you have let us know your comments and your concerns with our product. We are glad to be your motherboard of choice and look forward to providing all your future motherboard needs.
Samuel Kang
Marketing / Product Manager
Production Department
North American Operation
EPoX International, Inc. USA
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Demon-Xanth
Lifer
Though I don't have an 8KHA+ to try this on, if someone is intersted
in soldering on their board this might work:
Panasonic sells two 10V 1200uF caps from the same line, one that is 12.5x15mm another that is 10x20mm. (P/Ns EEU-FC1A122S and EEU-FC1A122 respectively)
What might have happened (just speculating here), is that they went into production with the S suffix but due to supply they crossed the non-S suffix part in. Digikey has both of these caps (P/N P10227-ND and P10226-ND respectively) with the shorter cap being $1.13ea where as the taller is $0.99ea
The mod: Buy the shorter caps, desolder the tall caps (noting polarity), solder in the shorter caps (w/ the correct polarity), enjoy the TI-4600 goodness.
Might be cheaper and easier than shipping the boards back to Epox
in soldering on their board this might work:
Panasonic sells two 10V 1200uF caps from the same line, one that is 12.5x15mm another that is 10x20mm. (P/Ns EEU-FC1A122S and EEU-FC1A122 respectively)
What might have happened (just speculating here), is that they went into production with the S suffix but due to supply they crossed the non-S suffix part in. Digikey has both of these caps (P/N P10227-ND and P10226-ND respectively) with the shorter cap being $1.13ea where as the taller is $0.99ea
The mod: Buy the shorter caps, desolder the tall caps (noting polarity), solder in the shorter caps (w/ the correct polarity), enjoy the TI-4600 goodness.
Might be cheaper and easier than shipping the boards back to Epox
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