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EPA says greenhouse gases endanger human health

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Originally Posted by Patranus
The EPA was NOT created by congress rather an executive order. The head of the EPA is appointed by the president.

This is nothing more than the executive branch trying to circumvent the legislative branch of the government.

Obama knows he cannot get Cap & Tax passed and found a way around congress.

eskimospy said:
The EPA was created during a reorganization and specifically blessed by the relevant congressional committees with overwhelming support. There is no 'found a way around Congress' involved in the slightest.

It's simply amazing to me how many things I see here declared unconstitutional. You guys really should let the USSC know about how many unconstitutional things we've been doing. I know you don't have law degrees or any fancy credentials like they do, but you sure seem to think you know an awful lot about constitutional law.
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Patranus said:
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You have now completely abandoned the whole delegation of authority argument and are now trying to argue interpretation of the Constitution. I'm not interested, and that question has already been answered long ago. (you lost by the way). Your ideas for how the courts should function, much like how zmatt believes Congress should function, would render the US ungovernable.

You should be very thankful that those of us who live in reality prevent you from ever implementing your ideas.
 
This won't get anywhere fast.......documents are already prepared to be filed taking this matter to court. Looks like even Dem. congressmen are saying that the EPA and the president are overstepping their boundries......
 
oxygen is a pollutant too. Should levels get to high the atmosphere could explode at the slightest spark.

Solution.....cut down all green trees and plants. Slaughter all oxygen expelling mammals including humans. and then when that is finished plug up alll the volcanoes for good measure.
 
I tried telling my boss this morning that I either needed a bigger cube with it's own ventilation system or I needed to move into one of the offices. He didn't understand why I would demand such a thing since I've put off doing such things in the past. I showed him the report and that my co-workers are endangering me. Hell, if things don't change, I may have to file suit on myself since I'm endangering myself by breathing.
 
Patranus said:
Article 1 Section 8 - The Power of Congress


Please enlighten me where powers are delegated to congress to do 1/2 the stuff they do.
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You know, if you think you have such a slam dunk case, form a legal team, file briefs with the Supreme Court and challenge the constitutionality of those organizations. Should be relatively easy to dismantle 90% of those organizations/laws/committees you feel infringe on the Constitution.

Of course, you're too thick to realize that the Constitution has been interpreted this way for over 200 years and upheld by both conservative and liberal judges. You only think you understand the Constitution, when it's obvious you don't think at all.

Secondly, you guys are taking this CO2 pollutant absolutely wrong. The EPA is saying that if CO2 levels rise to a certain point, then it becomes hazardous to human health. Breathing is a carbon-neutral activity, since the CO2 you generate came from the foods you ate earlier. I don't agree with this end-around, since it masks the rules companies need to abide by. If we want climate change legislation, it should go through Congress and the rules clearly laid out for all businesses to follow.
 
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But Obama can't count on congress to do his sacred will, hence the end-around.

0marTheZealot said:
You know, if you think you have such a slam dunk case, form a legal team, file briefs with the Supreme Court and challenge the constitutionality of those organizations. Should be relatively easy to dismantle 90% of those organizations/laws/committees you feel infringe on the Constitution.

Of course, you're too thick to realize that the Constitution has been interpreted this way for over 200 years and upheld by both conservative and liberal judges. You only think you understand the Constitution, when it's obvious you don't think at all.

Secondly, you guys are taking this CO2 pollutant absolutely wrong. The EPA is saying that if CO2 levels rise to a certain point, then it becomes hazardous to human health. Breathing is a carbon-neutral activity, since the CO2 you generate came from the foods you ate earlier. I don't agree with this end-around, since it masks the rules companies need to abide by. If we want climate change legislation, it should go through Congress and the rules clearly laid out for all businesses to follow.
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FerrelGeek said:
Please add something intelligent to these conversations or go away. Your 'science' has been shown to be a fraud. But when the lie is exposed the fanatics scream the lie all the louder.
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Uhmmm, no it hasn't. That's the same tack the creationists take when they try to prove Lucy to be a fraud as if that would disprove evolution. As I have said before, even if every single thing CRU has ever put out were to be a lie, the case for global warming is still extremely strong.

You guys don't seem to realize the sheer magnitude of the evidence on the subject. You have latched on to this like a life preserver because it's all you have left to hope for. I wish global warming weren't real every bit as fervantly as you guys do, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the evidence.
 
Even reasonable Dems are getting nervous at all of the unconstitutional overreaching by federal government entities outside of any sort of real checks and balances (the EPA, for example):

http://www.washingtontimes.com/webl...02/webb-warns-obama-taking-action-copenhagen/

Webb warns Obama on taking action in Copenhagen

"Dear Mr. President:

I would like to express my concern regarding reports that the Administration may believe it has the unilateral power to commit the government of the United States to certain standards that may be agreed upon at the upcoming United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change Conference of Parties 15 in Copenhagen, Denmark. The phrase “politically binding” has been used.

Although details have not been made available, recent statements by Special Envoy on Climate Change Todd Stern indicate that negotiators may be intending to commit the United States to a nationwide emission reduction program. As you well know from your time in the Senate, only specific legislation agreed upon in the Congress, or a treaty ratified by the Senate, could actually create such a commitment on behalf of our country.

I would very much appreciate having this matter clarified in advance of the Copenhagen meetings.

Sincerely,

Jim Webb
United States Senator"

Surprisingly 🙄, the White House did not respond!
 
0marTheZealot said:
You know, if you think you have such a slam dunk case, form a legal team, file briefs with the Supreme Court and challenge the constitutionality of those organizations. Should be relatively easy to dismantle 90% of those organizations/laws/committees you feel infringe on the Constitution.

Of course, you're too thick to realize that the Constitution has been interpreted this way for over 200 years and upheld by both conservative and liberal judges. You only think you understand the Constitution, when it's obvious you don't think at all.

Secondly, you guys are taking this CO2 pollutant absolutely wrong. The EPA is saying that if CO2 levels rise to a certain point, then it becomes hazardous to human health. Breathing is a carbon-neutral activity, since the CO2 you generate came from the foods you ate earlier. I don't agree with this end-around, since it masks the rules companies need to abide by. If we want climate change legislation, it should go through Congress and the rules clearly laid out for all businesses to follow.
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Not quite that long Omar. Started in 1936 after FDR was slapped down for a couple years on everything he tried he then threated to put 5-7 more justices, his justices, on court giving him super majority and they relented under duress. Since then most people like what FDR did and presidence was set which future courts are reluctant to overturn. Both parties LOVE their new found powers.

That's why this issue rarely comes up. Only libertarians bring it up and hate FDR to the core - and a few right wing guys when they don't like something but they are pretty selective. Like drug laws are totally out of scope of constitution but the right never saw a prison they didnt like for druggies.
 
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S do they plan on cutting down all the trees or what? Will everyone have to wear a device on their head to collect our gases as we breath? Lets get real??
 
These are the same idiots that only make certain people in the USA get an emission inspection of their vehicle. This is nothing more than a racket to keep mechanics employed. It is a joke how can you selectively target people and punish them?
 
Moonbeam said:
I hope Patranus, et all idiots, aren't paying income taxes. They are unconstitutional.
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How are income taxes unconstitutional?
The 16th Ammendment
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
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Pretty clear cut to me.
 
Patranus said:
Yup. A group of unelected bureaucrats now get to shape society in their image. Isn't the circumvention of the constitution an amazing thing?

The legacy of FDR has done wonders for this country.
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You are way too funny!!!
I think Anand or Derek should guive you a raise!!
You are the best Village idiot any forum has ever had!!!

hahahaaaa
 
It is getting harder and harder for the MSM provda to ignore the fraud that is Global warming.

Jay Leno joked about "the end of global warming" last night.

"Hey how about that global warming thing. Yesterday, hookers in Copenhagen said they will provide free sex for all the Global Warming delegates... Well, at least Global warming will have a happy ending after all." (my italic)

The Jeanie is out folks. Let the MSM Provda ignore it.
 
I wonder if the EPA is going to regulate water consumption of water as free radicals cause cancer and that endangers human health.

......we all need big mommy government to protect us from ourselves.
 
eskimospy said:
I'm not sure which of the people in my post you are talking about, but regardless the answer is the same: no they haven't.
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The EPA arbitrarily claiming control over CO2, something we exhale from our lungs, is to claim dominion over human existence itself. It is the means to absolute power.

Our nation's very creation was the anti-thesis to such power. To claim a right to it is treason.
 
Patranus said:
I wonder if the EPA is going to regulate water consumption of water as free radicals cause cancer and that endangers human health.

......we all need big mommy government to protect us from ourselves.
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Water Vapor is the leading green house gas. Maybe the EPA should set up limits on water? Maybe rationing is in order?
 
The whole idea of cap and trade and carbon credits is Medieval.

Cap and trade:
Pay the King his tribute and you will be allowed to prosper.

Carbon Credits:
Pay the Church for your sins and all will be forgiven. Follow the money.

(Just follow the money.)
 
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